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PostPosted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:49 am 
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I was raised to be chivalrous by a single mother. I kept having one dissatisfying relationship after the other. Mainly I just took what naturally came to me through work or school. I didn't like the way the women looked, and they pretty much just ran me until I couldn't take it anymore, and left.

After one last bad relationship I realized I could be doing something wrong and I began researching how to talk to women. I stumbled across David D's Cocky Funny book.

I had a paradigm shift. I started talking to women but then realized I was a poor conversationalist. I couldn't just spit one CF line after the other because it was a gimmick, and it lost it's power after a few times when the woman realized I was seeking a reaction.

Plus I also was annoyed with what seemed like this cold void between me and the women so I looked for something on touch.

That's when I got Paul Jenka's Book, Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people, and Vin Dicarlo's escalation ladder.

If you're not familiar with these things a quick run down.

Paul Jenka teaches a system of just getting girls as you go about your natural life routine. The Dale Carnegie stuff teaches how to be likable and hold interesting conversations with people, and the escalation ladder teaches how to escalate touch all the way to sex.

So I studied these books for about a week and memorized everything and as I went about my life I started talking to all of the women I encountered that I liked. I started getting numbers and realized my phone game was weak.

That's when I studied text game, and how to set up dates that lead to sex as best as possible.

Now I had a nice system and an abundance of women in my life. I described it vaguely here: pua-lounge/the-power-listening-vt200001.html

I ran this same thing for about a year and a half to two years and it got boring.
Cool story.

However, you fail to explain any actual personal experiences that you've had and also what level of success that you've had so far over this year and a half to two years.

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Plus there were a couple of other problems with it. I could only get women in situations where we were 1 on 1, and there wasn't much movement so we could talk for a bit. It didn't work in clubs at all because women are easily distracted in this environment (and later I found out it was due to a mental blueprint thing). It didn't work for women who were with other people. It didn't work with women who were in hurries walking in some other direction.
This is bullshit. You will always need to get the girl one on one if you want to fuck her. Or one on two or three, depending on how many girls you're going to try seducing at the same time. This is why we learn how to isolate and lead in pick up. When girls are in a rush, or not fully available but still seem attracted, then this is why we take the number and hit them up to meet in the future. If she was attracted to you but in a rush, then when you make contact and she actually has some time, then she will likely reciprocate.

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So even though I discovered abundance I could only access women under a specific set of circumstances. Therefore I was still limited.

That's when I started becoming obsessed. I started looking into anything related to pick-up I could.

That's when I learned about tracking my numbers to keep track of improvement. And about breaking the pick-up down into different stages, and using flirting, building comfort... All of that shit.

I also started looking into other things that could possibly be related that I could use to make my closing rate better.

That's when I started studying cognitive biases, human psychology, sales, negotiation, and fbi interrogation tactics.

I quit my job and started doing sales.

And have you applied those things and made your closing rate better?

If you knew anything about sales, you'd understand that it a numbers game. The better your product and the better your skills the better your numbers will be. If your product is shit, and you don't have sales skills, the more you will get rejected. The better your product, and the better your sales skills, the more you will close.

Putting it simple, the way you can improve your closing rate with pick up is to work on yourself and your life to increase how attractive you are as a man, and put yourself out there and gain as much contact and experience with trying to pick up and seduce the girls you want to have sex with as possible.

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During this time I started going out in the day with the intent to pick-up women, and I started going to clubs.
Well what exactly were you doing for the last one and a half to two years?... your story is so muddled and incongruent, I'm not even going to quote the rest of what you've wrote...


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Cool story.

However, you fail to explain any actual personal experiences that you've had and also what level of success that you've had so far over this year and a half to two years.
You saw how long the post was. I can get more detailed.

The level of success I had... How can that be measured? I fucked women regularly. My week was filled with dates, and some days I double and triple booked dates at the same place to cover for flakes.

I did this by:
Talking to women on the bus to and from work.
Talking to women on the train to and from work.
Talking to women on my 2 - 15 minute breaks. (I worked above a mall so all I had to do was go downstairs and walk around stores or sit next to one sitting down)
Talking to women on my 1 hour lunch break. (The mall would always be packed, so I had opportunities in-line for food and when I picked a place to sit to eat.)

It got hard keeping track of the women so I organized them into groups.
1 group was for new numbers. Another was for girls who went on a date with me that I didn't fuck.
Another was for a group that I did fuck.

It wasn't at the point where I was booked all week like that until about 6 months into my routine.

Recently I've been more focused on empire building.
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This is bullshit. You will always need to get the girl one on one if you want to fuck her. Or one on two or three, depending on how many girls you're going to try seducing at the same time. This is why we learn how to isolate and lead in pick up. When girls are in a rush, or not fully available but still seem attracted, then this is why we take the number and hit them up to meet in the future. If she was attracted to you but in a rush, then when you make contact and she actually has some time, then she will likely reciprocate.
I didn't know how to do any of this. Those sort of skills weren't in the 4 books I read.

Double your dating, Paul Jenka's Book, Dale Carnigie's how to win friends and influence people, Vin Dicarlo's escalation ladder.

Double your datings shifted my vision of the dating world and altered my core belief systems which allowed me to have attractive subtext. Paul Jenka's book taught me how to dress and gave me a simple system for approaching women in my day to day life. DC's how to win friends and influence people taught me how to hold interesting conversations by getting people to talk about themselves which made women like me. As well as some other stuff about influencing people. The escalation ladder taught me how to gradually increase the intensity of my touch into sex.

So all I did then was walk about my life feeling empowered while collecting numbers by holding "interesting" conversations (having them talk about themselves), and initiating/escalating touch.

But if I saw a girl who had a friend with her, I couldn't sit there leading her to talk about her life very well with the friend there who would interfere with the process. I could get them to talk about each other which sometimes worked. If the woman was walking in an opposite direction of me I had no reason to stop her to and get her to talk about her life. It was unnatural.

I could go on, but I feel like you should get the picture at this point.


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And have you applied those things and made your closing rate better?

If you knew anything about sales, you'd understand that it a numbers game. The better your product and the better your skills the better your numbers will be. If your product is shit, and you don't have sales skills, the more you will get rejected. The better your product, and the better your sales skills, the more you will close.

Putting it simple, the way you can improve your closing rate with pick up is to work on yourself and your life to increase how attractive you are as a man, and put yourself out there and gain as much contact and experience with trying to pick up and seduce the girls you want to have sex with as possible.
My product is amazing. My skills are phenomenal. The thing is that my closing rate increased because I was able to manage the woman better after I understood how much control I had with conversation.

You see. I make good money and I'm ripped and good looking, extremely intelligent, and knowledgeable, and handy, and can cook, and people depend on me... I could go on you know checking all of those boxes.

But the real power is in the words. Because The way she discovers these aspects could be perceived as a "try hard" who is trying to impress other people with his skill and accomplishments or just a man living his life.

The words you pick is how the story is told, and how she get's involved with the story.

There is a learning curve to what I do specifically, but here's a glimpse.

I say something and before she speaks I read her eye cues. An FBI trick. Everyone's different, so what I do is I throw out a few feelers that elicit a specific eye cue and see where he eyes go to draw a map. This data tells me where she is in the process of creating something, remembering something, feeling something emotional, or visualizing something. Or a combination of those.

This is cool because I can tell when people are lying to me, but that's not the purpose. I use it to see if my other techniques are working properly.

For instance I try to keep the girl experiencing intense emotions by controlling the internal story she tells herself that creates the emotion.

This is tight. I created it from studying emotional theory. 2 factor emotional theory dictates that when someone experiences an emotion, but don't have something specifically to pinpoint the emotion to it will search for something external to attach the emotion to. It's all under the radar linking.

But once an emotion is experienced it releases chemicals into the blood that don't dissipate instantly. This info is gold because I direct women to remember specific emotional stories about their lives and then change the subject. The story dopes her up and then she places that feeling onto me.

So every first meeting of old loves, fun stories with friends, and great life experiences can now be linked to me. I love when women tell me that they have boyfriends because that opens the subject up for me to steal all of his power and emotional influence, plus add my own.

Sorry I began to rant a bit there. But that's just one little thing. It gets really deep when you begin involving cognitive biases, using off handed comments, and allowing them to connect dots in ways you want them to where they don't even realize the idea that they came up with was exactly what I wanted them to think. Other stuff as well.

I'm confident that given enough time I can fuck any woman on this planet, and them being in relationships will only power me up. Princesses of England, actresses, singers. Whoever.

I'm actually starting to study nlp now in-order to increase this skill further. NLP is about "implanting thoughts" I don't know if that's real. What I do is more of guiding them to the thoughts I want them to think which trigger the emotions I want them to feel which they then attach to me.

There are many different types of emotions. Devotion, love, admiration, obsession, addiction. Shit get's deep.

But, what it's given me is a respect and admiration for how different every woman is. I have to be extremely intune with my emotions empathizing with what they feel in order to make sure I'm doing it correctly. The range of emotions a person can feel is amazing, especially when you mix different ones they become these sort of different chemical cocktails.
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During this time I started going out in the day with the intent to pick-up women, and I started going to clubs.
Well what exactly were you doing for the last one and a half to two years?... your story is so muddled and incongruent, I'm not even going to quote the rest of what you've wrote...[/quote]

What's incongruent about it? It must be my fault for not explaining something to you properly.

The shit I'm doing now IS complicated. I couldn't sit here and detail out my methods in a single post, and most people here wouldn't be interested in it either. It's too advanced...there is a learning curve.

They'd label it as mental masturbation before they could realize the power. Which is fine with me. I didn't learn this stuff to share on a forum. It's for me.

Anyway, it's overkill when it comes to simply getting women, but I do sales, and I negotiate multi-thousand dollar deals everyday. Everything I'm describing to you comes into play with how I make my money. So as my skills with women increase my ability to make money increases, and vice verse.

By the way you asked me to share this info. This post is about building your own personal crew and a few tips on how to do it.

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You seem as crazy as the guy in Fight Club.


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I'm actually starting to study nlp now in-order to increase this skill further. NLP is about "implanting thoughts" I don't know if that's real. What I do is more of guiding them to the thoughts I want them to think which trigger the emotions I want them to feel which they then attach to me.
Hahahahahah holy shit I almost spilled my coffee on this damn laptop.
And just a few paragraphs above you called yourself highly intelligent.

What's next? You gonna get into astrology and foresee their future?

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It's not that hard to guide people into doing actions or coming to conclusions that you want actually. Which is different from the "implanting thoughts" stuff nlp is talking about. I guess. I haven't studied nlp fully yet.

To my knowledge nlp uses implanted words and triggering commands or something.

Dale Carnegie gives an good example of what I'm talking about that I do, but with pick-up.

Car salsemen weren't performing well. So the boss held a meeting and got infront of them with a whiteboard and asked them what he could do for them to make their jobs easier. Then he asked them what they thought they could do to sell more cars. Things like "come in earlier" "work later" and yadda yadda were thrown out. Exactly the things the boss wanted to tell them to do.

Instead they came to the conclusions themselves.

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It's not that hard to do actually.

Dale Carnegie gives an good example of this I'll use for you.

Car salsemen weren't performing well. So the boss held a meeting and got infront of them with a whiteboard and asked them what he could do for them to make their jobs easier. Then he asked them what they thought they could do to sell more cars. Things like "come in earlier" "work later" and yadda yadda were thrown out. Exactly the things the boss wanted to tell them to do.

Instead they came to the conclusions themselves.
Come on fudge...There is a difference between NLP and asking people who should be experts in their field on how to improve performance.

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It's not that hard to guide people into doing actions or coming to conclusions that you want actually. Which is different from the "implanting thoughts" stuff nlp is talking about. I guess. I haven't studied nlp fully yet.

To my knowledge nlp uses implanted words and triggering commands or something.

Dale Carnegie gives an good example of what I'm talking about that I do, but with pick-up.

Car salsemen weren't performing well. So the boss held a meeting and got infront of them with a whiteboard and asked them what he could do for them to make their jobs easier. Then he asked them what they thought they could do to sell more cars. Things like "come in earlier" "work later" and yadda yadda were thrown out. Exactly the things the boss wanted to tell them to do.

Instead they came to the conclusions themselves.
Instead of using Dale Carnegie as an example of what you do with pick-up, why not use 3 or 4 examples of what you use with pick up. That way more guys can understand what you are saying and you can point out why it works so consistently.

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The shit I'm doing now IS complicated.
The shit you're trying to explain in your post ISN'T complicated, not in the slightest. It is you who is making it complicated with your ill-aligned stories and explanations.


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Starboy sounds like a hybrid between Corey Feldman and Charles Manson.

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haha, you guys with your cult things.

Naturaldec. I'm not sure, you seem upset for some reason. What's specifically confusing you?

It's complicated. I haven't explained what I do today. You can say I built my game off of a conversational foundation.

The complication isn't in the execution it's learning how and why stuff works.

For instance: pua-lounge/the-power-affirmation-vt200102.html

This is just one simple technique I could have just given to you in about 3 sentences, but how I created it was based off of that vast amount of background information, and study.

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Naturaldec. I'm not sure, you seem upset for some reason. What's specifically confusing you?
I'm four years strong in the game with a wealth of experience with women. Nothing is confusing me at all. I'm also not upset, I just have a very good radar for bullshit and can usually tell who posts from experience and who doesn't.

You post about a lot of topics that can definitely be linked with pick up. I work in sales myself and I've got to be honest, the correlations between sales and pick up are second to none. Many of the techniques and skills that I've learn through selling have actually improved my pick up game over the years and gotten me better results too. It's also true that women are more attracted to men who show leadership qualities, and the ability to lead effectively will also improve your results with pick up.

However - you're just all over the place. Some of the shit you're posting here on this forum is just downright absurd. There is no correlation to the points that your making. And it sounds as though you're just re-hashing shit that you've read but have no actual experience with it yourself. This is why I asked you about the actual results you've gotten, and what your story has been so far with pick up, and whether you could actually give some real life examples. The story you gave didn't even really make much sense, and you've yet to talk about the actual results you've gotten or even back up your current post with any real life examples either.

It just all comes across as mental masturbation dude.


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The story you gave didn't even really make much sense, and you've yet to talk about the actual results you've gotten or even back up your current post with any real life examples either.
Do some searches on the user fudge_88, magipimp, and rounin. These are all the old names that Starboy used to use. All of his posts are pretty much like this one. Long winded theory and no experience.

He was talking big shit to me until I pointed out who he really was.

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Naturaldec. I'm not sure, you seem upset for some reason. What's specifically confusing you?
I'm four years strong in the game with a wealth of experience with women. Nothing is confusing me at all. I'm also not upset, I just have a very good radar for bullshit and can usually tell who posts from experience and who doesn't.

You post about a lot of topics that can definitely be linked with pick up. I work in sales myself and I've got to be honest, the correlations between sales and pick up are second to none. Many of the techniques and skills that I've learn through selling have actually improved my pick up game over the years and gotten me better results too. It's also true that women are more attracted to men who show leadership qualities, and the ability to lead effectively will also improve your results with pick up.

However - you're just all over the place. Some of the shit you're posting here on this forum is just downright absurd. There is no correlation to the points that your making. And it sounds as though you're just re-hashing shit that you've read but have no actual experience with it yourself. This is why I asked you about the actual results you've gotten, and what your story has been so far with pick up, and whether you could actually give some real life examples. The story you gave didn't even really make much sense, and you've yet to talk about the actual results you've gotten or even back up your current post with any real life examples either.

It just all comes across as mental masturbation dude.

Cool. Let me be clear that I don't need to defend myself or my experiences. The fact is that I didn't create a topic about what we're discussing right now. You simply asked me.

Also, i saw that you asked for examples the first time and I didn't add them in because the background story was a very long post already.

How I got my first follower

One day a co-worker went to lunch with me. We grabbed a quick bite downstairs in the mall and when we were down there I got a girls phone number in front of him. Not because I was trying to impress him, but because it was part of what I did.

When we got back to the office he was telling my coworkers about it like it was this miraculous thing. I had others coming to me asking me what do I say also. And the original dude started hanging out with me after work.

I thought this was a really cool application of my skills and so ideas started flowing on how I could use it intentionally.

How I turned a random stranger into one

When at clubs I see guys all of the time there alone staring at women and other people having fun. If you go out you'll see these guys as well. I went to the bar to get a drink, and there was one of these dudes standing next to me staring at these two girls. I started a conversation with him, and after 2-3 minutes I lead the topic into the two women in front of us. I told him we should go talk to them. He refused with some excuse and so I went over and started talking to them myself. I got a few positive responses and a hug from one and then I told the friend that my friend thought she was cute, but he was shy.

She looked over at him and appeared receptive to the idea so I walked over to him and told him she wanted to talk to him. I brought him over, started facilitating a conversation between the two got the friends number who I was talking to and left him there with both of the girls. There was a girl I saw looking at me that I wanted to talk to so I just said I saw a friend and had to go.

Latter I ran into the guy again and we swapped numbers. He has mad respect for me.

Now as I go through life if I see an interesting looking dude I'll talk to him get his number and invite him out somewhere, and as I'm out I make sure to get at least 1 number in front of him to solidify respect.

Do you want a play by play breakdown of what I say?

I use a situational opener on the guy to facilitate a conversation. Then I find out if they like to drink so that I can make sure they'll be willing to go out somewhere with me that's easy to talk to women. Then I invite him out to places with me as sort of a side kick. I hang out with this dude 1 on 1 for about a month until I introduce him into my social circle.

Now here's the thing. I've given you some specific examples and the overall framework of what I do. If you think it's bs that's fine.

For those of you willing to test things out, have fun!

There is nothing else left to say about this topic.

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Cool. Let me be clear that I don't need to defend myself or my experiences. The fact is that I didn't create a topic about what we're discussing right now. You simply asked me.
If you make statements or remarks, then unless you can back them up, then usually you're going to get doubters, which is what has happened here on this forum.
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Also, i saw that you asked for examples the first time and I didn't add them in because the background story was a very long post already.
All you needed to give for a background was what your sort of success was with women before you discovered pickup, then what your results have been since then. You pro-longed and muddled things up with off-topic points and never got to just actually answering the question.

You see - I could give countless examples of lays that I've had over the last few years from nightclub and daytime pick ups. And if I actually have any sort of point to make, I can always use these experiences to back up my points.

But considering you came onto this forum just recently asking what push pull is, and spouting all the theoretical nonsense that you have been, then tell a completely disjointed story of what you've been doing for the last two and a half years and what sort of results you've got, followed by saying that you're considering setting the goal of becoming the mayor... then the rest...

Can you not see why guys are doubting you?
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Do some searches on the user fudge_88, magipimp, and rounin. These are all the old names that Starboy used to use. All of his posts are pretty much like this one. Long winded theory and no experience.

He was talking big shit to me until I pointed out who he really was.
I can see the correlation :lol:


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How come you didn't comment on the experiences I gave you, but instead focused on points of argument?

After all, you asked for it. Now I get the feeling that you're just an argumentative type of person. Usually when that happens I just start ignoring your posts.

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