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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:36 am 
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I sent the message "We're going to X bar tomorrow night for drinks. I'll pick you up at 9." I got the "I can't, I'm busy tomorrow" response with no reschedule from her side. In the past she would suggest/be open to a reschedule. This time she didn't. To me this implies it's game over. [
What should be my reply if i should reply at all? "No problem, how about x day?
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"Cool, have fun. I'll hit you up later."


Then give it a week of no contact.

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Don't reply anything.

Don't give people more attention than they've earned.

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Normally I agree. But a super indifferent, relaxed response can really irritate a woman and make her wonder and/or come off the fence. If you say nothing, it can come off as butthurt.

Either way, it's close to walk away time.

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If you say nothing, it can come off as butthurt.
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You need to learn to defend your arguments with counter arguments.

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Because game is not just about what you can get right now. A lot of these women come back.

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Because game is not just about what you can get right now. A lot of these women come back.
Silence is golden. A no response isn't going to be interpreted as "butthurt", especially if the girl genuinely is interested. If she's not interested, she's not going to sit around thinking that you're "butthurt" over it because she's not giving you a second thought. If you want women to come back, you have to have the intestinal fortitude to let them come back.

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Silence is indeed golden, but a reply of effortless indifference followed by silence can be very effective.

You: Let's hang.
Her: Can't, I'm busy that night.


Then, nothing. It makes look like she got to you. That's not a good result.


You: Let's hang.
Her: Can't, I'm busy that night.
You: Cool, have fun. I might hit you up later.

I've done this plenty of times, and had the girl hit me up later that night.

Ignoring a conversation because the outcome isnt what you wanted is an emotional response. Dominant men with abundance mentality never show they're outcome dependent.

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Ignoring a conversation because the outcome isnt what you wanted is an emotional response. Dominant men with abundance mentality never show they're outcome dependent.
Think about this logically. If a girl asked if you wanted to go out and you said you can't, do you really believe she is being emotional if she doesn't respond? Of course not. You don't know what she's thinking because there are too many things that she can be thinking. If she's insecure, she may be thinking you may have moved on. If you are she's self absorbed, she may be thinking you're feelings are hurt. Regardless, if she is into you then she's going to contact you to find out what's going on. That need to know what's happening causes investment.

You confuse a no response with ignoring her. It's not the same thing. Ignoring a woman is not responding when she reaches out to you. You don't have to reassure a woman that you're okay.

You have to quit preaching about outcome independence when your entire point is being outcome dependent. As R.C said, "Who cares?". That is completely outcome independent and screams abundance. But when you say, "That's not a good result," and, "Because game is not just about what you can get right now. A lot of these women come back," is completely outcome dependent. That's acting out of fear of losing the girl.

You can talk about all the girls that contact you after you wish them well on their ventures that exclude you but that proves absolutely nothing. Pay attention to how women act. Guys that they are into can get away with doing ill advised shit if the girl is into him. They usually get turned off when guys are demonstratively emotional about petty shit.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:41 pm 
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Think about this logically.
Women don't think this way.

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If a girl asked if you wanted to go out and you said you can't, do you really believe she is being emotional if she doesn't respond? Of course not.
Yes, of course. She's ending communication because she was upset by the outcome.


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You have to quit preaching about outcome independence when your entire point is being outcome dependent. As R.C said, "Who cares?". That is completely outcome independent and screams abundance.

But the OP does care, that's the problem. He's invested in this girl and wants to make it work. So a very chill "Have fun, I'll hit you up later" is just being congruent with his desires in a non-needy way.

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Women don't think this way.
I'm asking you to think logically. Not a woman. Although, women are perfectly capable of thinking logically. It's a guys fear of showing emotions that make people believe that men are more logical than women.
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Yes, of course. She's ending communication because she was upset by the outcome.
You don't understand women. You don't even understand that the world doesn't revolve around you. Do you respond to every text that you receive from a woman?
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But the OP does care, that's the problem. He's invested in this girl and wants to make it work. So a very chill "Have fun, I'll hit you up later" is just being congruent with his desires in a non-needy way.
Why is not responding not being congruent? He wants to go out with this girl and she's not wanting the same thing in this moment. It's not even worth the response. The fact that you NEED to respond in some sort of way in NEEDY. To push him in a needy direction because he is invested in a girl and wants to make it work doesn't mean that you need to support invested behavior. You have to help a guy to think more abundantly rather than push them in the direction of investment into one girl.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:33 pm 
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You don't understand women.

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We could go on and on, Jack (especially when looking at your weird signature line).

You have your methods, I have mine. ;)

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:02 am 
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Why do you think a picture of that bony chick makes you feel like you understand women? Guys get a girl all of the time. No one's impressed. Tell me, does the girl in that picture know that you've gone through her phone when she left it at your place? Do the rest of the guys here know that this is the one girl that you've modeled your entire Arch character around?

My signature is pointing out the audacity in calling yourself a life coach. What kind of coach tells people to drink and do drugs to calm anxiety? What kind of guy preaches outcome independence and at the same time being paranoid that he's going to fuck up. You talk a big game but your own admitted actions say a lot different. Your own methods didn't even get you the girl in the picture.

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That pic is the closest you've been to a hot girl in years.

Prove me wrong, Jack. You talk the talk, so let's see some proof that your game works.

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I knew this day would come of when dudes pull out their dicks and start measuring. Guess I'll grab some popcorn.

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