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PostPosted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 8:30 am 
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This is a single statement said to a woman to get her to start behaving how you want her to.

This doesn't simply apply to women of course, but anyway.

This is a tactical, and theatrical skill. Which means it requires a bit of preparation, and skills for delivery to come off naturally and under the radar.

Anyway, let me describe what happens, and then I'll break down the technique.

The girl accepts the affirmation and it begins subtly influencing her behavior without her realizing it. She begins to act through a lens of behavior influenced by the affirmation due to a few things.

One is something called cognitive dissonance. There is an internal belief set that she is the way that you said. So her actions attempt to correspond with the internal belief in order to relieve dissonance.

Another thing is that she comes to the conclusion herself beforehand.

A third thing is that she'll be experiencing corresponding emotional cues before the affirmation which will lend itself to her accepting the affirmation truthfully. Plus the emotion will also subtly influence her behavior like emotions do.

A fourth is the incentive biased in our brains. She will have unconscious urges to live up to the fine reputation that you gave her. The incentive is earning your favor and by voicing something you like she gets an intuitive, and conscious feel for the sort of behavior with get your favor.

Depending on the affirmation and what you elicit from her to bring it up, you can also create an incentive-cause biased. This is a bit more powerful and I won't get into it as of now, but basically you find some core life drives of hers and then link it to your affirmation.

A sixth is a commitment biased that pushes her to stay committed to a position that she has taken and accepted.
a 7th is the confirmation biased because after she's confirmed it to be true she acts in the manner which re-confirms it to her which causes her to act in that manner again and re-confirms it to her.

A 7th is the non mathematical way that our brains function. There are 2 systems of thinking. They call it fast and slow. The fast is the intuitive, instinctual, knee jerk, reactionary, and ect stuff. The slow is the measured considerate logical mathematical side.

Here is an example.

Apple.

You recognized the word immediately and most likely internally voiced it without much consideration or effort. And you can't help but know what it means when you look at it regardless if you wanted to or not. You don't have a choice.

1294 + 3529 = ?

What's the answer?

You don't have to tell me, but figuring that out requires more than just immediately looking at it for most people. You have to work through a logical system of steps to get to the end.

During the majority of interactions, and in life people are on autopilot with the first system of thinking, and it actually influences the second system.

When the affirmation is accepted her first system thinking somewhat aligns with it and then influences the second one.

Finally it gives them a reason to behave in a specific manner.

You can read the power of reason in many marketing books. Check out the copy machine experiment.

This is different from a direct cold read. What you'll see is after the affirmation the woman will begin behaving slightly more in a narrative that fits the affirmation. It's really cool to see because the way they express the affirmation will be totally unique to them. So you can say the same affirmation to two different women and you will get two different displays of the quality.

That's why things like this are much more fun than the old way I used to do pick-up where I got the exact same reactions out of women every-time.

I ask an open ended question of the woman to send her down a path of evoking an emotion related to, and saying something related to my affirmation. Then aknowledge what she said then I simply say the affirmation in away where I just realized she was like that, and transition into a new topic.

This is different from a direct cold read (that just tells a girl she is like x or y with no justification or reason). You set it up and then deliver it naturally as if you are just discovering she is like that. Which often leads her to the discovery as well. Then you immediately change the subject and talk about whatever else you like.

That's the formula. You can affirm whatever you want. You want to only use a specific affirmation 1 time for the most power. If you say it over and over her conscious mind catches on and the reverse can start to happen. Along with her losing trust.

If she's already socially comfortable with you it has more impact. You want to use it relatively early in the pickup to shape her behavior towards her doing what you want. It also sets a permanent tone going forward.

It's hard to explain the magnitude of this technique. Think of it sort of like throwing a rock into a pond. The ripple gets larger with time.

Here's an example.

If you want her to start acting adventurous.

You: What's the craziest thing you've ever done?
Her: Blah Blah

(If you know what her emotional eye cues are then you'll be able to tell if she experiences emotion when she responds to the open ended question, if not then listen for emotionally descriptive words during her recount.)
If you don't hear any emotional words then ask a follow up question to elicit them.
You: What did it feel like when you were blah blah? or, What did it feel like when blah blah happened?
Her: Blah Blah

(Then say your affirmation, and transition to a new topic)

You: That's cool, I love how adventurous you are. Oh, that reminds me blah blah.

You can word your affirmation however you see fit, just make sure you acknowledge whatever she just told you first.

Then just have fun and watch as her behavior changes. Or don't watch her behavior. It doesn't matter the effects happen either way.

You can affirm different things if you want but I would advise against too many different affirmations too quickly. For one there is a higher chance of her conscious mind catching onto what you are doing. Another is that people are programmed to naturally stay the same and you'll end up putting too much stress on her.

In a pick-up I recommend only using it one time, with 1 way that you want her to be.

This is the basic use of it.

I love to combine it with other stuff by using an affirmation that expresses itself in ways that multiply my other techniques. I use different ones depending on what I'm trying to do and the situation of the interaction.

It's situational application. I'll go into that.

It's best used when you are 1o1 with a woman, and not around their friends. The friends will actively work against it. They'll sometimes outright deny it. Other times they'll call out the new and different way she's acting to try and get her to conform back into the comfortable box that they see her in.

As always, I haven't spellchecked or grammar checked this post.

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While I appreciate the impressive amount of effort put forth... WHY?

Is it so hard to simply walk and have a conversation with a woman and see where it goes? Yeah you can influence people with all sorts of tactics and no tactic is guaranteed to work because every human has different experiences and thus experiences information and processes it differently often times.

Ugh... it's not about manipulating a woman it's about walking up as your best self and seeing if there is potential for there to be more. I mean why on earth would you want to have a super power over a woman? You don't want her to have free will and be herself?

It just to me feels like needless effort, when if you have natural ability to raise a woman up, with quality compliments you can accomplish the same feats.

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I mean why on earth would you want to have a super power over a woman?
Starboy, originally known as fudge_88, has Narcissistic Personality Disorder and these are one of the traits:
  • "preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love"
He's in the league of guys that get into PUA looking for magic bullets to attract women instead of being attractive and likable to women. He doesn't want to accept that there aren't any magic bullets so he's making stuff up and trying to sell his bogus fantasy. His posts are about how ripped his body is, how attractive he is, how intelligent he is, how much money he is generating, and how many people look up to him. Now he wants you to believe that he needs to do these mind controlling techniques in order to get laid. Anybody that has the attributes that he claims to have doesn't need to resort to using affirmations to get girls to want him when he's telling you that he's already the perfect package.

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This whole post reeks of virginity.


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It's funny how this forum always has one of these guys every now and then. I'm curious what would happen if we had multiple at the same time.

Would they get along with each other?

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While I appreciate the impressive amount of effort put forth... WHY?

Is it so hard to simply walk and have a conversation with a woman and see where it goes? Yeah you can influence people with all sorts of tactics and no tactic is guaranteed to work because every human has different experiences and thus experiences information and processes it differently often times.

Ugh... it's not about manipulating a woman it's about walking up as your best self and seeing if there is potential for there to be more. I mean why on earth would you want to have a super power over a woman? You don't want her to have free will and be herself?

It just to me feels like needless effort, when if you have natural ability to raise a woman up, with quality compliments you can accomplish the same feats.
That's an interesting post which deserves a reply. The short answer is, I'm young with no intentions on having children as of now. So I'm just having fun.

This is also a field of study and adventure for me. Not so much as "I'm looking for love and companionship." More like I want to see what works, and how far I can take it.

I'm not trying to have super powers over women or manipulate people. More like I'm discovering what's possible.

You have to be a bit of a bad boy to pursue things like this though. I'm fine with it, and I don't intend any harm towards women.

BTW everyone attempts to persuade others. Having a conversation with a women to see where it goes is a persuasion. Otherwise you would have just walked away, and not inserted yourself into her life.

As far as free will...

I want women around me to act freely under a set of guidelines. Certain behaviors I don't like. I'm sure you have behaviors you don't like as well. For instance you don't seem to like pick-up techniques and you voice your opinion against it.

If I have knowledge of ways to influence away, or influence in certain behaviors without a fight then that's fine in my eyes. Otherwise you just end up in arguments which can be avoided. That's the way I see it.

I don't enjoy arguing with people. I won't even entertain an argument unless the other person is presenting a fact based one based off of objectivity and not emotionally driven opinions.


Anyway, not saying my way is the best way. If you simply want to get a girlfriend you don't have to go anywhere near this level.

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Lol, you act like this is some god mode level. Lay off the crazy talk.

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While I appreciate the impressive amount of effort put forth... WHY?

Is it so hard to simply walk and have a conversation with a woman and see where it goes? Yeah you can influence people with all sorts of tactics and no tactic is guaranteed to work because every human has different experiences and thus experiences information and processes it differently often times.

Ugh... it's not about manipulating a woman it's about walking up as your best self and seeing if there is potential for there to be more. I mean why on earth would you want to have a super power over a woman? You don't want her to have free will and be herself?

It just to me feels like needless effort, when if you have natural ability to raise a woman up, with quality compliments you can accomplish the same feats.
That's an interesting post which deserves a reply. The short answer is, I'm young with no intentions on having children as of now. So I'm just having fun.

This is also a field of study and adventure for me. Not so much as "I'm looking for love and companionship." More like I want to see what works, and how far I can take it.

I'm not trying to have super powers over women or manipulate people. More like I'm discovering what's possible.

You have to be a bit of a bad boy to pursue things like this though. I'm fine with it, and I don't intend any harm towards women.

BTW everyone attempts to persuade others. Having a conversation with a women to see where it goes is a persuasion. Otherwise you would have just walked away, and not inserted yourself into her life.

As far as free will...

I want women around me to act freely under a set of guidelines. Certain behaviors I don't like. I'm sure you have behaviors you don't like as well. For instance you don't seem to like pick-up techniques and you voice your opinion against it.

If I have knowledge of ways to influence away, or influence in certain behaviors without a fight then that's fine in my eyes. Otherwise you just end up in arguments which can be avoided. That's the way I see it.

I don't enjoy arguing with people. I won't even entertain an argument unless the other person is presenting a fact based one based off of objectivity and not emotionally driven opinions.


Anyway, not saying my way is the best way. If you simply want to get a girlfriend you don't have to go anywhere near this level.
Your last line cracks me up bro... This level is Mystery the Venusian arts... which I consider beginner level.

I don't believe in tactics because I believe in gaining skills in talking to women, skills in communicating with them nonverbally, skills in escalating, skills in approaching women, skills in fucking women.

The more of theses skills you have the more women you fuck... lol. If you want a girlfriend I feel these tactics are more that style. If you want to have a ton of women, you'll stop dicking around with stupid shit tactics and just approach a lot of women, and learn to sharpen your tool set so you can get better with women. While you're out trying to use your Affirmation powers, guys like me are whispering how sexy she is in her ear and touching her right, in the way she likes... while you're doing that I'm turning her on and lowering her self-control.... and getting her ready to be completely seduced.

I believe in flexibility because not every woman is the same, not every situation is the same, and if you don't have the game that lets you react and modify, and change to the situation... you don't have game. Which is why acquiring the skills necessary is more important than learning all these unnecessary tactics like "The Power of an Affirmation" if you understand why those "tactics" "work" you have a far larger tool box than just "the power of an affirmation".

When I see articles like this it shows a complete lack of game with women. Why? Anyone want to answer?

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Take that back. . .Probably one of the best pick-up books ever written, backed up by real psychology experiments, economic and marketing principals. I revisited this book as an intermediate/advanced and found it to be twice as informative. Carry on. Just a thought in passing.

I don't mean that it isn't useful... what I mean is it's where we all start. We all start here and develop skills and assets so we don't need such systems. Obviously it can be quite useful... just like "The Power of an Affirmation" can have some use... but it's not going to be great in the long term compared to skill development such as escalation, communication skills, etc.

I apologize Da. I'm not saying Mystery Method didn't work, simply saying where we start, often we end up much further along. Nor am I saying this is on Mystery Method Level.

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Thanks for the comments.

I don't know how this forum works. I'll assume that you both have a vast amount of experience since your moderators. I'm curious what's not real about cognitive biases? You don't believe Charlie Munger knows what he's talking about... Besides him you have PHDs whom have written books on the subject. Check out thinking Fast and slow.

Also this technique was adapted from a staple negotiation technique. People who've studied negotiations would have recognized the core concepts in this immediately.

Marketing is different from sales, which is also different from negotiating. 3 separate fields. I'm only explaining this because I get the feeling from the posts here that you guys simply don't know. Not trying to come off as a know it all or anything, and if you're interested in sales and marketing you should also learn negotiating.

As far as difficulty I believe it ranks marketing - sales - negotiating. Marketing give you general overarching principles, sales gets into a few specifics on pushing an idea, negotiation gets into deep specifics on reaching mutually agreed upon conclusions.

So if you say MM is simply marketing and sales then this is far beyond that.

So on to your point about developing skills vs using techniques. You seem to think that there is some difference?
I'm guessing your talking about developing your natural skills in each of those fields by winging it and finding out what works and what doesn't. Which is what techniques are, things tested out that are proven to work...

So why not get efficient with using the known techniques in each of those categories and improve upon them with your own twists? That seems like a better use of time and a faster way to reach higher skill levels.

I talked to one guy on here about that already. The analogy I used was learning how to box.

What you suggest is to give the guy a few general principles like: move your feet, keep your hands up, try to hit him without getting hit. And then send him into a professional ring. After he fights 50 matches eventually he should learn how not to get his ass kicked.

Vs.

Teaching a guy a jab (technique), a cross (technique), head movement (technique), how to move in the ring (technique), how to throw a counter punch (technique). Then letting him practice those techniques through drills. Then letting him spar. Then putting him in the ring.

The difference is obvious right?


This technique causes the woman to be more inclined to move towards the position you want, and like you and the idea more. That's comfort I suppose, but you can't really fit it into a box of the current pick-up technique paradigm.

This isn't like an nlp where you try to implant thoughts or whatever. She comes to this belief herself before you solidify it.

Now, poeticlyskuac this technique isn't rigid at all. You actually only use it once in the entire interaction. So what are you doing the rest of the time? Whatever you like. It just enhances everything else.

By the way a disclaimer to you impressionable readers. No technique works 100% of the time. I thought that went without saying, but I'm getting the feeling from the posts here that people think that that's what I'm claiming.

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Take that back. . .Probably one of the best pick-up books ever written, backed up by real psychology experiments, economic and marketing principals. I revisited this book as an intermediate/advanced and found it to be twice as informative. Carry on. Just a thought in passing.

True on this. If you revisit it you get a better idea of how informative it really is. For e.g. Negs are described closer to flirting than insults and it even advocates being direct and showing intent after the first few mins.

Can't remember fudge but I think the OPs tactic is ok...he just over complicated and crossed the line into manipulation. I mean isn't it just stuff like telling a girl she's so sexy during sex to help her feel sexy?


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Thanks for the comments.

I don't know how this forum works. I'll assume that you both have a vast amount of experience since your moderators. I'm curious what's not real about cognitive biases? You don't believe Charlie Munger knows what he's talking about... Besides him you have PHDs whom have written books on the subject. Check out thinking Fast and slow.

Also this technique was adapted from a staple negotiation technique. People who've studied negotiations would have recognized the core concepts in this immediately.

Marketing is different from sales, which is also different from negotiating. 3 separate fields. I'm only explaining this because I get the feeling from the posts here that you guys simply don't know. Not trying to come off as a know it all or anything, and if you're interested in sales and marketing you should also learn negotiating.

As far as difficulty I believe it ranks marketing - sales - negotiating. Marketing give you general overarching principles, sales gets into a few specifics on pushing an idea, negotiation gets into deep specifics on reaching mutually agreed upon conclusions.

So if you say MM is simply marketing and sales then this is far beyond that.

So on to your point about developing skills vs using techniques. You seem to think that there is some difference?
I'm guessing your talking about developing your natural skills in each of those fields by winging it and finding out what works and what doesn't. Which is what techniques are, things tested out that are proven to work...

So why not get efficient with using the known techniques in each of those categories and improve upon them with your own twists? That seems like a better use of time and a faster way to reach higher skill levels.

I talked to one guy on here about that already. The analogy I used was learning how to box.

What you suggest is to give the guy a few general principles like: move your feet, keep your hands up, try to hit him without getting hit. And then send him into a professional ring. After he fights 50 matches eventually he should learn how not to get his ass kicked.

Vs.

Teaching a guy a jab (technique), a cross (technique), head movement (technique), how to move in the ring (technique), how to throw a counter punch (technique). Then letting him practice those techniques through drills. Then letting him spar. Then putting him in the ring.

The difference is obvious right?


This technique causes the woman to be more inclined to move towards the position you want, and like you and the idea more. That's comfort I suppose, but you can't really fit it into a box of the current pick-up technique paradigm.

This isn't like an nlp where you try to implant thoughts or whatever. She comes to this belief herself before you solidify it.

Now, poeticlyskuac this technique isn't rigid at all. You actually only use it once in the entire interaction. So what are you doing the rest of the time? Whatever you like. It just enhances everything else.

By the way a disclaimer to you impressionable readers. No technique works 100% of the time. I thought that went without saying, but I'm getting the feeling from the posts here that people think that that's what I'm claiming.

You have no idea what I suggest. I'm very detail orientated, body language is one of my passions and I've studied it down to microexpressions and microgestures... little movements most people miss. I'm one of the most detail orientated people here. Do you pay attention to a woman's wrist? Which way her feet are pointing? How she smiles? How her behavior changes? I pay attention to things most guys dismiss. I am constantly pushing myself to learn and become more, because that's what's best FOR ME and ultimately that's what's best for everyone here... experience is the best teacher it's where we learn the most about ourselves and our skills. Things like this... they're just not that valuable or important if you already have natural sexual skills.


I suggest teaching a guy to have proper form first (personal development), make sure you can develop each skill.. and focus on it. That means yes reading books, asking questions, learning through experience (The most important aspect), journaling, and monitoring and tracking progress including how each skill is developed from your approach, to your conversation skills, to how you escalate to anything else involved. I believe in immense amount of effort for improvement through learning and experience, there is not substitute for it. So stop putting it off and just do it.

Your sitting here trying to tell guys to use "The Power of Affirmation" which as I stated can guide a woman's behavior but it's more important first to be a master conversationalist... a master sexual tension builder, a sexual master, a approach master, if you got all that... bro... One of those tactics won't even come close with just the guy YOU are. And that is what I'm saying.

The road to being amazing with women or at anything for that matter requires hours of immense effort and DELIBERATE PRACTICE. People need to be more worried with approaching women and having conversations in a natural and fluent manner where it's the right mix more than they need to worry about this. Sure perhaps you can add it but imho it's a overrated. It can slightly influence a woman's behavior, but no more than simply learning to turn her on, learn to make her ok with being open with her sexuality, learn to be better with women. I see this as a waste of time when learning to be more sexual should be every guys goal.

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I like the way you think poeticlyskuac. Admittedly I'm no super expert on body language. I know some basics. I'll be looking through your posts to see what you've shared on the topic.

An interesting revelation I got from reading your post...

It can be interpreted as me trying to promote a shortcut. Hell, even a crutch. That wasn't my intention. My intention was really just to share something I created, but I presented it from my own perspective which was a mistake.

Mine being a guy who has mastery of the fundamentals and then I looked for new innovations. Which means I didn't think about how a guy who isn't already having some level of success might view this as an instant gratification tactic. Also, that if you just get good at the stuff you mentioned then there is no need to use this at all. Am I understanding you correctly?

For me I use it to enhance everything else that I do. I don't think it cheapens my other abilities. It just speeds up the process, and helps with more challenging women.

By the way, I sent you a pm about this new account. I'll just go forward with it since I hadn't heard back from you yet. If there is a problem just let me know.

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I'm not going to sit here and pretend that it couldn't be used to manipulate someone. Cause you can link whatever you want by just getting them to tell you something generally related to your affirmation.

That's one of those tools vs user intent sort of things.

All I can say is that I don't use it that way.


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