Is this even possible? I realize kino is super important with regard to building rapport and emotional escalation, but I have read articles and heard stories from friends that sometimes kino can lead to legal trouble. My friend put his arm around a woman and she actually threatened to call the police.

Anyway, I don't want to deal with legal drama. I would like to ask the experts on here if they have ever hooked up with a woman without kino? If yes, besides straight up asking if they want to have sex (which is strange and risky too) what did you do?

No.....unless you hire a hooker

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So even if you make eye contact and make the most confident smile with the most confident voice and approach you can possibly do...it is literally impossible to get any action without kino?

Wow, that is depressing.

no shortcuts kid.

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I read that if you manage to put your hand on a woman's hips for at least 10 seconds, it releases pheromones that make the women attracted to you?

My question is how can you cold approach a woman and create the opportunity to not only get your hands on their hips, but do it without the woman pushing your hands off short of 10 seconds?

I realize escalation with steps before this needs to take place, but has anyone tried this hip touch thing before and has it worked for you?

why don't you try it and let us know ? You can't just read and read. You have to apply it and see if it works. I have lost so many women over the years, that it doesn't even bother me anymore.

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I tried to f-close without escalation ... I lay on the bed with her and she gave me LMR because "it is weird".

So, never underestimate kino escalation, see DiCarlo escalation ladder.

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Let me get this straight... you'd like to have sex with a girl without touching her? How the fuck do you plan on pulling that one off?

Your friend probably was being a creep and him putting his arm around the girl was totally uninvited. If you have sex with a girl and you're a creep, theres a good chance she'll scream rape on you. And I'd say thats worse than the putting your arm around her thing.

But hey, if you can figure out how to have sex with a girl without touching her, more power to you. I like touching beautiful women so I'll keep doing my thing though.

Isn't sex technically Kino? Can legal things take place during or after sex as well? You going to let that stop you from trying to have sex?

How do you suppose you to get naked without kissing, touching, and interacting intimately prior? Can you get a girl turned on without kino? Sure. With seductive eye contact and language, but how do you suppose you sleep with her without touching her at all? Unless what you want is to walk up to women and politely ask them " Can you agree to have sex with me and sign this piece of paper? because of scared of a possible negative outcome"

You're pointing toward one or two scenarios in which Kino has lead to desirable results all while ignoring the dozens of guys who put their arms around women that same night who didn't get the police threat. But this is just another forum member coming up with ways to psych himself out of actually having to be a man and do what he has his mind set on doing. This is a pick up forum after all.

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My point is not someone not touching them WHILE having sex with them lol. Of course I mean, not doing a lot of kino on them BEFORE having sex (while in the hitting on them/flirting/escalating phase).

Of course while I'm having sex with a woman, I'm touching them all the time because it feels great!

I only mention this because I have had friends who have sarged on super uptight, cautious women that have actually reported them to the police because they used kino on these women during an escalation phase!

I guess even when kino is initially welcomed, women can still pull a 180 on how they feel about the escalation...during the escalation. I can totally see this as something that would happen to me.

Of course, I want to meet and use kino on beautiful woman all the time. I am a man after all, so I'm not trying to psych myself out. That is the last thing I want to do.

I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of women in this world that will definitely and without hesitation report a guy that sarged on them to the police, regardless of how smooth he was at the time.

The world also has a lot of feminists, which have been brainwashed into hating men and since we can't read minds, we don't know if we are hitting on a feminist until we are already in some sort of trouble.

Are you really saying A LOT ?

If it was A LOT i'd think this forum would be full of post with guying spewing over analytical fear based non sense like this..

Stop making excuses and do what you gotta do, if you want to reap the benefits of the lifestyle. You gotta pay to play.

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Then stay away from women. Look no one here besides n2 is a therapist who can convince you against your irrational phobias. Second, I call bs on the you have friends who women reported for touching. Sure you grab an ass of a stranger at the bar you may get slapped. If you run into a super serious chick she may go to security. But then you're stupid for grabbing an ass like that. Women aren't going to the police for touching them in a non rapist manner. That's just a lie or your friends are fucked up

Some of you guys have extremely distorted views about reality.

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This is sort of strange to me lol but.

1) There is no way that the first time a woman that you just met touches you is going to be during sex.

2) If you are scared and apprehensive when you try and touch women because you are so worried they might not like it... they are going to pick up on that and you are going to come off as creepy.

3) Ease into it. Start small. If shes wearing fingernail polish say something about as you pick up her hand and see what she does. You dont have to go for an arm around the shoulder or hug right away.

4) Get it over the fact that some women aren't going to like it. If they give you a negative response or dont like it be respectful and back off. It's GOING to happen. As long as you aren't insane and weird and touch her in some sexual and you back off when she tells you to you aren't going to jail or something haha. They can say they are going to report you but really they just want you to go away.

my two cents