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PostPosted: Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:35 pm 
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But that is what I am, haha. Most guys think the "adventure" is wine and roses, or hot air balloon rides, or other things that try to buy women favor. When the core adventure should primarily be passion/orgasms/fun. The adventure is YOU, not anything external. Most guys don't get that if you're good enough in bed, fit, emotionally-centered and focused on your goals, your bedroom is an amazing playground, every night (if you so choose).
You're preaching this sex thing...yes I get it, sex is great. But I'm not hearing what you'd offer beyond that. For all the talk of intellect and confidence, it boils down to you can offer a bedroom playground. But beyond that? What COULD you offer a male friend, if it comes back to fun in the bedroom? Thats why it sounds like its less that you prefer female company, and more like well you couldnt bring fun to male company.
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So you're saying you can't relax around women?
Not me, but thats the impression you give about yourself. You're always preaching you CANT say this or do this that with women, so you're not relaxing.

This is not to bash you, just you give the impression of being one dimensional. Sexuality. Sure you read, and have a hobby, but Ive never seen you mention how those connect with others. So it just sounds like the concept of friends and non sexual relationships elude you because maybe you couldnt sustain a friendship without sex and the calculated power struggles.
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Take a look at these photos, and look at them within the context that we're only on this planet for a short time.

Which elk do you want to be?
They are pictures of animals standing. Would I be in one group of elk standing there, or the other group of elk standing there? I could get it if one of the pictures the elks were having fun or something, but they're just standing there so I dont get the difference.

Its not one of the other. Women/fucking and dating, can coexist with career, family, friends, fitness and hobbies. If you're fucking that much to where you can't have a social life, you may want to look into that and whats driving the addiction. It just sounds like you offer sex, and guys dont want sex, hence why you dont understand male to male dynamics.


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Lol you think it's dominant to be so annoying men don't want to be around you? The straw mans, the reframed, these are just logical fallacies meant to fool people into thinking you never do anything wrong. You're no elk, just a skunk.

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You didn't read the posts, DJ. I find most men to be annoying and lacking self-awareness, except for family and my work peers (for the most part). There are exceptions, of course. I decline the invitations.

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You didn't read the posts, DJ. I find most men to be annoying and lacking self-awareness, except for family and my work peers (for the most part). There are exceptions, of course. I decline the invitations.
You see how something is wrong with this outlook? You can only get along with men that are related to you and who you work with (for the most part). This says more about you than other men. The people you are expected to get along with, you can get along with. There is no "self-awareness" gene that only runs in the blood of your family and the men that you work with.

The problem with what you say is that you tell the OP to replace the word "friends" with "harem" and your reasoning for this is that you have issues with men and you use animals to make your claim. Your giving advice from a mentally unhealthy viewpoint. Even in the bull elk likes hanging out with the fellas.

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I don't think it's unhealthy to prefer the company of women over men.

Most people lack self-awareness, FWIW. People choose friends based on qualities they find attractive. That is #1 for me.

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I don't think it's unhealthy to prefer the company of women over men.

Most people lack self-awareness, FWIW. People choose friends based on qualities they find attractive. That is #1 for me.
I'm not saying that it's unhealthy to prefer the company of women over men, but your reasoning behind it is unhealthy. Personally, I think you know you say some strange stuff once people point it out and you'd rather make up an excuse for why you say you act a certain way. The bull elk argument which isn't well thought out. Men aren't self aware, but now you turn that to most people. Men are the inferior sex. These are all straw man arguments with no real truth to them.

In the end you say the real truth. You choose friends based on qualities you find attractive. You're not different than anyone else in that aspect. There may be some underlying psychological issues because your friendships are based mostly around sex, but we all have our issues.

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You didn't read the posts, DJ. I find most men to be annoying and lacking self-awareness, except for family and my work peers (for the most part). There are exceptions, of course. I decline the invitations.
How do you find them annoying? Like, I'm curious, because most men I find aren't "annoying"...women talk more, so I'd expect you to say men were less annoying than women. I don't typically see more men than women who like to rattle on, so I'm curious what's annoying in men for you vs women. As to self awareness, again, I dont find a lot of men lacking this. Even the average guys, I wont say they lack self awareness like they embarrass themselves or me. I've even had friends who lacked self awareness, didnt bother me to hang with them, but again, they weren't representative of the majority of men I've met. Annoying and self awareness just seem like strange reasons for me that I cant say I've found describes most men, even those I'm not friends with.


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How do you find them annoying? Like, I'm curious, because most men I find aren't "annoying"
Also curious about this.

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How do you find them annoying? Like, I'm curious, because most men I find aren't "annoying"
Also curious about this.

Honestly, I think it's because I'm a snob. I grew up reading, expanding my mind rather than drinking and partying. I have a vast literary and musical collection, and have deep knowledge of many subjects (not always perfect knowledge, but knowledge nonetheless), whereas most guys couldn't tell you what species of deer lives next to their house, or the implications of science on their daily lives, etc.

I love to learn, and to move forward and evolve. And most guys, I just don't see doing this. they're mowing their lawn, talking about the "big game", and doing house repairs while day drinking.

That said, I do have male friends (the literary kind) and friends at the gym. I'm just not interested in really spending a lot of time with them.

I'm attracted to people who are aware of the world around them in all aspects not just their day to day path.

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How do you find them annoying? Like, I'm curious, because most men I find aren't "annoying"
Also curious about this.

Honestly, I think it's because I'm a snob. I grew up reading, expanding my mind rather than drinking and partying. I have a vast literary and musical collection, and have deep knowledge of many subjects (not always perfect knowledge, but knowledge nonetheless), whereas most guys couldn't tell you what species of deer lives next to their house, or the implications of science on their daily lives, etc.

I love to learn, and to move forward and evolve. And most guys, I just don't see doing this. they're mowing their lawn, talking about the "big game", and doing house repairs while day drinking.

That said, I do have male friends (the literary kind) and friends at the gym. I'm just not interested in really spending a lot of time with them.

I'm attracted to people who are aware of the world around them in all aspects not just their day to day path.
This has nothing to do with finding males annoying as opposed to just not liking people in general. Most women couldn't tell you what species of deer lives next to their house and the implications of science on their daily lives isn't what most women think about.

Honestly, how many women sit around trying to learn, move forward, and evolve in comparison to men? Men tend to have to do these things if they actively want to improve their lifestyle. So what is the difference between having male friendships and female friendships?

To me this is more of an explanation of why you don't like people in general and the reason you prefer women friendships over men is because you can have sex with them. Your relationships with women revolve only around having fun and nothing else. A lot of what you've written here is written like a person that has the tendencies of a sociopath (not that I'm saying that you are one).

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I grew up reading, expanding my mind rather than drinking and partying. I have a vast literary and musical collection, and have deep knowledge of many subjects (not always perfect knowledge, but knowledge nonetheless), whereas most guys couldn't tell you what species of deer lives next to their house, or the implications of science on their daily lives, etc.

I love to learn, and to move forward and evolve. And most guys, I just don't see doing this.
Yeah, same here to a degree. Yet I never said no to drinking and partying.

But to be honest, like Jack said, you'll tend to find more men with those qualities as opposed to women. At least that's my experience.

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I have just moved to London after graduating for work, and it seems so difficult to make friends here.

I have friends at work... but they don't want to hang out with colleagues after work.

I have gone to meetup events and taken classes but : 1. The majority of them are old people (30+) that don't want to hang out with young kids (I'm 23) and are hard to vibe with. 2. People at meetup actually never keep in touch after the events. They go there to mingle... but they don't keep in contact with the one they've met and don't seem to be willing to commit to a platonic relationship. Some of them are there just for hookups.

None of my old friend from uni leaves in the city, so I pretty much have to start from scratch. In London, if you ask someone to hang out with you, they either are too busy or they think you are a lonely and don't have friends, and they don't want to hang out with people like that.

I just need a way to get started - having at least 2-3 friends that I can frequently hangout - then I can have the momentum going forward. But it's damn hard in this city. It was much easier back in school where everyone was open to new friendship and didn't have their own circle...
You are literally in one of the biggest metropolis in the known universe. It really is not that hard to create a friendship group in London. FWIW, I lived in London for three months, starting with next to 0 social circle (I'm not from the UK). Right now, I would KILL to get back to London.

I met up with a couple guys on this forum. I WENT OUT to various places - bars, clubs, the library. I met and spoke to people everywhere and anywhere.

Find people with commonalities and propose a hang out with them. Organize group hangouts with your classes or workmates. Get busy with meeting new people. If you want three places to start with:

1. THIS FORUM - try a meetup with guys in this forum. There are several London groups
2. COMMONALITIES - You love Game of Thrones? Football? Rock Music? There WILL be a London based group somewhere there. Find these people, and propose an outing
3. BARS/CLUBS - I've met plenty of people going out - men AND women. Go out. Talk to people. Strike up conversations with people who live in your area on a night out. Go to a concert. Some other type of nightlife event.

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