Hey guys, quick question. Is the makeout a necessary step before asking the girl to go home? Or is it at least a convenient step in order to fill her horny-o-meter? For example, you go on a first date to a bar and try to sit side by side, but for some reason outside your control (place was too crowded, etc) you end up with a table between you and the girl. So no makeout and only very light kino. Does this hurt the chances of her going home with you? Should this influence your game somehow? Or the "always go for the pull" mantra still applies? Thanks for your thoughts.

Thats like asking if there needs to be ice on the ground for you to trip and fall.

Can you trip and fall without ice being on the ground? Sure. But does ice on the ground make it a hell of a lot easier to fall? Absolutely.

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You're the man, if I intended to escalate physically then I would not let this happen. Obstacles are there for you to prove yourself in either smaller or larger ways. That aside, making out makes things a lot easier but is not necessary. Ultimately you want to go as far as the girl will allow at the first opportunity, if you wait too long then you appear insecure in your sexuality/attraction.

It's not required. However, if you study an escalation ladder you would probably end up doing it very often.

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I love the "for some reason you can't sit side by side" reasoning. Just go to a different bar in that case.
Problem solved.

But yes, it does hurt your chances. If you want a girl to be comfortable with the idea of sleeping with you, then she needs to be comfortable with kissing you.
Not in all cases, but in the vast majority.

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lol, I thought the same thing.

Makes sense. Thanks for the input.

Personally in college, making out with the girl before asking her to come back often hurt my chances. My theory is that a lot of women just like to kiss and that if they get that from you they a lot of times want nothing else. Also, they feel more slutty going back with you after a makeout session because it is assumed that there will be sex.

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