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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:46 am 
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I trust her. What I don't trust is her roommate and bf pulling shenanigans, which would cause me to "have a talk" which would make a mess of the entire situation (plus it would kill my chances of another threesome, haha).
I have to apologize and say that this is a very confusing thing to read. You trust her so all shenanigans would be stopped by her and she has more incentive to stop it if all other hopes of menages were stopped because she didn't view him as dominant enough. I would think it would actually look insecure if you're telling her that she can't be in her own home because a guy that she's not attracted to and refuses to have sex with is there with his girlfriend. I don't see the reason for you to even need to have the talk if everything works the way you say it does unless it's a machismo thing.

I think we may be in the same situation but we see reality in a totally different way.


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It's such a cut and dry statement here and I can honestly tell you that multiple orgasms are not the end all be all that will hold relationships together. I'm sure you have your reasons for believing it but I have reasons for not believing it.
I don't give advice in absolute terms. I always base my serious advices on empirical evidence in terms of odds and which has a better chance of succeeding. Here:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0701385548

It's perfectly fine if you don't want my inputs in your thread. At least you're not rude about it unlike other dudes who are asking for help.
Isn't this article saying that when a guy fulfills the woman's emotional needs then it makes it easier for a man to fulfill her sexual needs? I agree with that, but again, I'm not understanding where you are going with this. It's probably not your fault that I don't understand where you're going with this because my mind has been racing with other things at the moment.

I'm happy to get any advice that helps me and I hope you don't believe I was disrespecting what you are trying to tell me.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 5:58 am 
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It's such a cut and dry statement here and I can honestly tell you that multiple orgasms are not the end all be all that will hold relationships together. I'm sure you have your reasons for believing it but I have reasons for not believing it.
I don't give advice in absolute terms. I always base my serious advices on empirical evidence in terms of odds and which has a better chance of succeeding. Here:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0701385548

It's perfectly fine if you don't want my inputs in your thread. At least you're not rude about it unlike other dudes who are asking for help.
Isn't this article saying that when a guy fulfills the woman's emotional needs then it makes it easier for a man to fulfill her sexual needs? I agree with that, but again, I'm not understanding where you are going with this. It's probably not your fault that I don't understand where you're going with this because my mind has been racing with other things at the moment.

I'm happy to get any advice that helps me and I hope you don't believe I was disrespecting what you are trying to tell me.
The title of the scientific research is:

Women's Relationship Quality is Associated with Specifically Penile-Vaginal Intercourse Orgasm and Frequency

It isn't about a woman's emotional needs.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:02 am 
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It's such a cut and dry statement here and I can honestly tell you that multiple orgasms are not the end all be all that will hold relationships together. I'm sure you have your reasons for believing it but I have reasons for not believing it.
I don't give advice in absolute terms. I always base my serious advices on empirical evidence in terms of odds and which has a better chance of succeeding. Here:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0701385548

It's perfectly fine if you don't want my inputs in your thread. At least you're not rude about it unlike other dudes who are asking for help.

If you don't mind (since I have provided one of my reasons in the link above), what's your reason for not believing it?

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It's such a cut and dry statement here and I can honestly tell you that multiple orgasms are not the end all be all that will hold relationships together. I'm sure you have your reasons for believing it but I have reasons for not believing it.
I don't give advice in absolute terms. I always base my serious advices on empirical evidence in terms of odds and which has a better chance of succeeding. Here:

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 0701385548

It's perfectly fine if you don't want my inputs in your thread. At least you're not rude about it unlike other dudes who are asking for help.

If you don't mind (since I have provided one of my reasons in the link above), what's your reason for not believing it?
I can't prove it to anyone, obviously, but I've had relationships that only existed because of great sex and quite a few of them the results couldn't be faked. Honestly, I didn't care about meeting a woman's emotional needs and I would lose them because of that. I have lost a couple of women to some of their ex boyfriends that treated them like queens. After learning from my own mistakes, my later relationships until now I've been a better boyfriend outside of just sex. I've learned that even if you give a girl orgasms, you won't be able to keep them without showing them the warmth that they also desire. It's not an academic study but I think it does have some merit.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:33 am 
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Even habitual cheaters turn into loyal and submissive girlfriends.
Now that I've stated my experience on the issue, do you have a study that backs this statement. I'm not asking this to be a jerk about it but I give my girlfriend a lot of orgasms and since you posted a real life study if you have one that proves this statement I think I will actually sleep better tonight.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 8:27 am 
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Even habitual cheaters turn into loyal and submissive girlfriends.
Now that I've stated my experience on the issue, do you have a study that backs this statement. I'm not asking this to be a jerk about it but I give my girlfriend a lot of orgasms and since you posted a real life study if you have one that proves this statement I think I will actually sleep better tonight.
Aside from my personal experiences, you can infer from the correlations of several studies. Let's start with the first one that I've provided.

"Satisfaction, Intimacy, Trust, Passion, Love (all r ≥ .40) and Global Relationship Quality (r = .55). Noncoital sexual behaviors with a partner were uncorrelated with the PRQC dimensions. Masturbation frequency was inversely associated with Love (r = −.38). Penile-vaginal orgasmic frequency correlated positively with PRQC dimensions: Satisfaction, Intimacy, Passion, Love (all r ≥ .44) and Global Relationship Quality (r = .52). Penile-vaginal intercourse orgasmic consistency was inversely associated with masturbation frequency. Social desirability scores did not confound the associations."

If you read the above quote carefully, you will discern that women who have frequent vaginal orgasms with their partners is positively correlated with love. On the otherhand, women who masturbate frequently love their partners less. Women masturbate because they are not having vaginal orgasms with their partners.

Accordingly...

For example, individuals who are strongly attached to a person are more likely to be committed to, invest in, and make sacrifices for that person (Bowlby, 1980; Hazan & Shaver 1994)

https://msbfile03.usc.edu/digitalmeasur ... aper-2.pdf

I'll provide a third one which applies to business:

http://www.emeraldinsight.com/doi/abs/1 ... 0710752429

It says:

"Using the Grönroos conceptualisation, a clear pattern of service‐quality dimensions is established and several important findings are reported – including empirical verification of the mediating role of overall relationship satisfaction in the formation of loyalty attributes. The effects of trust and commitment are also verified."

Women put their money where their loyalty is:

https://thenextweb.com/socialmedia/2012 ... w_3cczf98o

http://authornews.penguinrandomhouse.co ... fographic/

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5201284

And women spend more dollars on porn than relationship books because depending on which study you're looking at, 75% to 94% of women are not having any vaginal orgasm with their partners.

What I want you to do now so we can troubleshoot your problem is to describe how your girlfriend orgasms because majority of men do not know how a woman's orgasm looks like.

Likewise, ask your girlfriend for a US $5,000 personal loan. If she readily complies without any hesitation, you can sleep tight tonight.

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Again with the damn "make her cum and she'll be forever yours" talk.

Anyway, she'll almost certainly doing it. But, OP, does it matter that much? Let's say she goes and has her 3some. How that does realistically affect your relationship?

Is this something you don't want happen because it's a firm boundary you believe in (in which case you're a hypocrite), or is it insecurity? Are you afraid of being "the oblivious boyfriend"? Are you afraid she'll like him more than you? That she'll end your relationship?
What it is, exactly?
Jack's right, it's a favor owed. And in my personal opinion it's not even that big of a deal. Not really something to be insecure over.
It's not like she's gonna form an emotional attachment to the guy and then run off into the sunset.

So if she had done this, but her behavior towards you wouldn't change and your relationship would be exactly as is, does it then really matter?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:11 am 
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Op and all newbies, do not take women's orgasms lightly. It is easy for us men to have an orgasm and exceedingly difficult for women to have just ONE vaginal orgasm. If you have experienced blue balls, multiply that several times over and that's what women experience on the regular with their husbands and boyfriends who don't have a clue.

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I really don't know where a lot of this is going. I still don't see a correlation between orgasms and fidelity with the links even though I do believe it plays an important factor in a relationship. I do get that one may come to the conclusion based on limited information but I just don't see it with my experience with life. My girlfriend doesn't have the money to lend because she is a struggling student but she would spend her last few pennies just to do something nice to make me happy.

Her orgasms, along with the normal moaning, her muscles in her stomach start clinching like crazy and anymore sex after the orgasm drives her insane. Without getting in too much detail, I have to change my sheets afterwards quite often.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:34 am 
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Again with the damn "make her cum and she'll be forever yours" talk.

Anyway, she'll almost certainly doing it. But, OP, does it matter that much? Let's say she goes and has her 3some. How that does realistically affect your relationship?

Is this something you don't want happen because it's a firm boundary you believe in (in which case you're a hypocrite), or is it insecurity? Are you afraid of being "the oblivious boyfriend"? Are you afraid she'll like him more than you? That she'll end your relationship?
What it is, exactly?
Jack's right, it's a favor owed. And in my personal opinion it's not even that big of a deal. Not really something to be insecure over.
It's not like she's gonna form an emotional attachment to the guy and then run off into the sunset.

So if she had done this, but her behavior towards you wouldn't change and your relationship would be exactly as is, does it then really matter?
Honestly, I believe this is mostly my ego after thinking about this pretty much all day. Part of me wants to believe that I'm just that damn attractive that these girls both wanted me at the same time but I'm man enough to admit that it was also a favor.

As for the part about the oblivious boyfriend. I'm pretty sure that they have a plan and I'm being kept in the dark. I'm almost at the point of giving it my blessing but I'm not sure if that blessing is because I want to feel some sort of control in the situation or if it's because I don't want to be that hypocritical guy. Still, it's a hard thing to think about your girlfriend with another guy.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 9:42 am 
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How many women did you bang op? How many romantic and sexual relationships did you have? As for a woman's orgasm, the tell-tale signs in concert are the following:

1. She raises her body up to meet the penis as her legs or entire body quivers (not shakes, quivering is difficult to fake while pornstars like Jenna Jameson shake like crazy all the time).

2. Her stomach muscles contract and proceed to spasms. Spasms are difficult to fake. Shaking is easy.

3. Her vaginal opening undergoes several vaginal contractions when you pull your penis out. It's entirely different from muscle control. With the penis inside, you will feel tiny smooth muscle teeths biting on your penis and sucking it in.

4. Her face or chest reddens.

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Again with the damn "make her cum and she'll be forever yours" talk.

Anyway, she'll almost certainly doing it. But, OP, does it matter that much? Let's say she goes and has her 3some. How that does realistically affect your relationship?

Is this something you don't want happen because it's a firm boundary you believe in (in which case you're a hypocrite), or is it insecurity? Are you afraid of being "the oblivious boyfriend"? Are you afraid she'll like him more than you? That she'll end your relationship?
What it is, exactly?
Jack's right, it's a favor owed. And in my personal opinion it's not even that big of a deal. Not really something to be insecure over.
It's not like she's gonna form an emotional attachment to the guy and then run off into the sunset.

So if she had done this, but her behavior towards you wouldn't change and your relationship would be exactly as is, does it then really matter?
Honestly, I believe this is mostly my ego after thinking about this pretty much all day. Part of me wants to believe that I'm just that damn attractive that these girls both wanted me at the same time but I'm man enough to admit that it was also a favor.

As for the part about the oblivious boyfriend. I'm pretty sure that they have a plan and I'm being kept in the dark. I'm almost at the point of giving it my blessing but I'm not sure if that blessing is because I want to feel some sort of control in the situation or if it's because I don't want to be that hypocritical guy. Still, it's a hard thing to think about your girlfriend with another guy.
As already mentioned, don't be a hypocite op. Improve yourself and skills if you want girls to make great sacrifices for you like not fucking another guy or not giving him a blowjob.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 10:08 am 
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As already mentioned, don't be a hypocite op. Improve yourself and skills if you want girls to make great sacrifices for you like not fucking another guy or not giving him a blowjob.
I'm sorry but I think that the entire orgasm theory is too pieced together and you've come to conclusions by taking huge leaps in guessing. In social sciences there is the law of reciprocity that states that a person has the need to pay back another person with the same kind of SPAM that they received. I think my girlfriend is fallen victim to that law and even I am sort of feeling like I couldn't even be upset at him because turnabout is fair play. I think the law of reciprocity may be more likely the issue here than orgasm theories.


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Honestly, I believe this is mostly my ego after thinking about this pretty much all day.
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Part of me wants to believe that I'm just that damn attractive that these girls both wanted me at the same time but I'm man enough to admit that it was also a favor.
They did want you at the same time, it's not like she forced the friend at gunpoint.
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As for the part about the oblivious boyfriend. I'm pretty sure that they have a plan and I'm being kept in the dark. I'm almost at the point of giving it my blessing but I'm not sure if that blessing is because I want to feel some sort of control in the situation or if it's because I don't want to be that hypocritical guy. Still, it's a hard thing to think about your girlfriend with another guy.
You're hardly being kept in the dark, she did approach you about it.
The truth of the matter is that regardless whether you give your blessing or not, you're not in control. And you never will be in control of another person's action. All you can be in control of is your actions. That said, don't listen to Arch and do some stupid shit like calling her at 10:30 just to check up on what she's doing. That's simply in bad taste.

It is hard to think of your girlfriend with another guy but that's not accurately the case. Take the intentions into context as well. Her intentions right now are not to fuck another guy behind your back as if she's looking for better options, they're to return a favor to her friend. To me, those are two very different things with very different implications.

Approach the subject from an emotionally grounded place whatever you decide. There's no real wrong choice as long as you don't involve ego or insecurities.

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