There are no success stories for sex clubs when it comes to pickup. That's on the same level as a success story with a prostitute, a sugar baby, or a nymphomaniac.

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It's a step up from prostitute/sugar baby.

But, it's where I'm at now.

But I've come to realize it doesn't matter what I say in this forum, people will respond negatively.

It's not negative responses. It's guys trying to point you in the right direction. You're just being sensitive because people are disagreeing with your solutions.

If you picture it as a success...great. It just has nothing to do with pickup in the least. Guys have sex, but that doesn't mean they are good with women. You fucking a girl at a sex club isn't a victory. A girl goes to a sex club to have sex. That's like going into a sandwich shop and bragging that you got someone to make you something to eat.

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We also don't care about the pity routine. We all got problems.

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And what do girls in bars/clubs go out to do?

Maybe if I knew this, I'd have more success.

I think it's... Meet interesting people? Assuming they're not content with the group they came with.

They can all have different intentions. Drink, dance, hang out with friends, and meet guys. They expect for guys to try and pick them up but their purpose doesn't have to be primarily sex.

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Approach 3:

Me: did you see they're renovating (bar)
Her: again?
Me: yea, the interior

Then it stalled.

I'm not sure I'm getting anywhere with this. And she was a bartender (the only girl in the room at the time) so maybe that had something to do with it.

If you're not going to follow any advice of the guys on here who know what they're doing when it comes to women, leave this forum. Jack told you to approach non-hired guns (no bartenders, no waitresses, no sales crews) and yet you insist on opening a bartender.

Bad thing is, hired guns by default are polite and accommodating to their customers because it's their job. With total strangers, you will learn to calibrate on their different reactions. With hired guns, you'll miss out on calibration.

Besides, you're only opening one girl every two days and you're already frustrated this is getting nowhere. The frequency, volume, duration, and intensity of your interactions with women will have an impact on your progress. You're like lifting a 2 lbs barbell once every 2 days and you're frustrated you haven't progressed so far to an Arnold Schwarzenegger body.

Just like in anything else, repetitions, sets, durations and intensity will define your progress. And by intensity, I mean your positive vibe with women. If you naturally hate women, they will naturally mirror that hatred of yours back to you.

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Three more approaches and yes they are hired guns.

#4: Bartender at Winghouse. I asked her if she likes working there. I felt it was really corny but I was only doing it to get to 10. I wouldn't have even counted this as an approach except that she re-initiated the conversation a few minutes later. She asked me if I had the day off because it was only 11:30 AM. I told her that I only work 2 hours/week collecting rent as a property manager. A few minutes later she asked me how much property I owned and I told her I work for my dad. She told me she "does this" 6 days/week. She seemed interested in getting to know me. I'm sure there's something I could have done to make that into something more.

#5. Stripper. She came up to me and we talked about small talk, then after a few minutes she said I'm a sweetheart. I didn't tip her anything and didn't get any dances. I started telling her about my life and my upcoming surgery and she told me I'm a "hot mess." She told me I looked really tense. Eventually her friend came over and that is #6.

#6. This girl wasn't a stripper. She walks around and gives massages. She really liked me. I never paid her anything. I told her about my life. She said she gets a really good vibe from me. She was grabbing my dick for free at one point. I probably could have fucked her if my junk was working. This was the most entertaining approach of them all. We took a bunch of shots together, etc. This lasted probably 30-45 minutes.

Other notes:

Girls go out to meet guys. They may be dancing or doing whatever on the surface, but that's their intention. They just want to be meeting the right ones and that guy is not always there. In fact, he probably rarely is.

Looks matter. I can't be everyone's physical type.

I can't dance. Not at all. But I noticed that other guys that are dancing are not really doing much, so maybe I'm just overthinking it.

I want to be out meeting people (not hired guns) but I don't know how to do it yet. I'm probably overthinking this as well.

All I want is sex and lots of it. I'm not quite sure what this "emotional connection" thing is. People fall in and out of love in 10 minutes.

At this point, I'm hopeful and not entirely sure that I'll be successful at the sex club. It's not like they just walk up to you and fuck you. At least, I don't think so.

I'm still stuck in boring conversation. Anything that isn't about sex is boring at this point.

Here's a story: When the "sugar baby," left my house, she clogged the toilet. I was sitting there plunging it thinking "please God don't let me get this girls shit water on me." I didn't. Lol. What's my point? Every girl has shit water. Even supermodels.

If a girl is not into me, is that my fault or hers? Are we just incompatible or do I need to work on myself? Mystery would tell you that there's no such thing as rejection if you display enough value, but Mark Manson would tell you it's just incompatibility.

I feel boring a lot of the time. I also still feel creepy.

For those who say I'm not different than I used to be, when's the last time I mentioned a Lamborghini? If I bought one, it probably wouldn't even help me.

What topics of conversation are interesting to the vast majority of girls?

After I do these 10, I'll do another 10 of non-hired guns and work on doing them sober.

Bulls-eye. Redstar Bulls-eye.
Any topic that they themselves are in.

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Approach #7. Stripper in Baltimore. I'm in town for my surgery scheduled the 22nd.

Nothing special, just small talk. Not worth posting details.

Things to work on:

Body language - she said I seemed nervous because I was shaking my leg. I don't think I was that nervous, but I do have anxiety so maybe I was.

Eye contact - I didn't look her in the eye and don't know her eye color and actually don't remember her name.

I do remember, however, that she's a stay at home mom most days, strips a few days a week, is about to get a new job as a receptionist at a salon and will remain stripping one day per week. She likes to work out and was sore and she doesn't do much for "fun" because she is always busy being a mom. She had been stripping for 3 years.

#8. Host at hotel restaurant.

Me: do you know what the weather is supposed to be like today?
Her: high in 50's
Me: I'm from Florida. I'm not used to this.

Then, she literally ran away like she was scared.

I have no idea why she did that.

How long have you been on this forum? You literally talk to her about the weather. Literally.

You are so incredibly shallow in your "effort" to "become better". I legit don't understand why you even approach when you don't make even the slightest attempt to improve.

For the next girl simply say "Hi, I know this is kinda random but I thought you were cute and wanted to say hi". The give her your hand, exchange names, ask where she's from and what she does, and then come back and tell us how it went.

Yes small-talk.
Yes, don't ask for a number.
Yes, don't flirt with her.
Do nothing but that direct opener, gauge her reaction, followup with some fluff question then say "Ok cool, nice to meet you. Have a great day then. You have a cute smile, by the way." and walk off.

Can you do that?

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I did the weather because it was listed in the Style Life Challenge.

Plus, the girl wasn't cute at all.