I guess it's been said a thousand times already but in this community paying for a first date, as a conscious seduction move, is seen as beta, submissive, unconfident, not charismatic and low achieving.

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Again, when you speak about yourself, not women in general, it always boils down to money and what the man can do for you. The fact that you'd rather pick an insecure surgeon over the secure guy that works at Denny's shows that there really isn't a difference between what you do in dating vs. what you do in daily life. One guy is getting chosen because of what he can provide and you'd deal with his personality flaws. That's not liking a guy for who he is and more for what he does. (Golddiggerish)

Guys get ready for dates too. So by your logic, if we go out and get a shave and a haircut, nice clothes, shoes...we shouldn't have to spend a dime to impress you with meals or activities. It's all been done before the date and you should be happy with whatever comes your way.

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Do you value anything more in a girl than her face and body? Because every other thread on this forum is about how men can hook up with attractive women.

I've bumped into a number of men that screened out women not only on their looks and personality, but on their career and salary potential. Okay, it's a legit point. Hence, I'm a firm believer the best way to minimize conflict is to date someone within your own league as far as everything is concerned if you're planning for long-term. Hooking up is different.

Too often, dating, especially online dating, nowadays seems like an interview process. People don't want to settle for less, I get it.

As far as your question is concerned, you have no idea how many men I've bumped into that were very keen on my potential financial income. So, kudos to those women that got away with their bombshell looks and great personality to snatch a winner but it doesn't work out for every attractive woman out there.

I disagree. Some women take it as the guy isn't interested enough in them. Or maybe he's a cheapskate. Or he can't afford it.

What forum are you talking about? Where are these threads where the emphasis is on how a girl looks? Where are the threads where a guy is saying he loves an ugly girl and posters are telling him to get a hotter one? Please do some research before talking lies. There are many threads here advocating against the 1-10 rating scale for women. Many threads telling guys to go after what THEY find attractive.

Heck, RC just told a guy in this thread relationships/should-marry-her-vt198078.html who is talking about wondering whether his gf is hot enough to not get carried away with grass is greener and asked about the chicks personality.

You keep harping on this point of saying we dont want to pay for dates, and thats a lie. In the original thread, the VAST MAJORITY of posters said its fine to pay for a first date. Heck, you can barely find a thread that describes a girl physical appearance in the title. So I have to ask, where are you getting these lies from? Are you seeing an emphasis on face and body that I'm not seeing on this forum? Because 99% of threads here brush over a girls hotness. I could quote the hell out of Jack who has to tell a one or 2 posters who claim a 10 is different that they're the same.

Correction.

The ONE thread I've seen in a while that discusses female looks, was started by YOU

So not only cant you find any emphasis or focus and barely a mention of girls' looks on here...YOU are the one who most recently brought up the topic of a woman's physical appearance!

Not only have you lied about the general consensus here being dont pay for dates, not only have you lied on men here not valuing anything other than looks and face, you also lied on men here wanting to take from women. Guys here are told religiously improve yourself, handle your finances, work out, become better at sex, dont be controlling, dont be needy, dont manipulate or trick her into liking you, pay for first dates, text her after the date, give her orgasms...basically whatever chick you want become a man on her level. Yet you keep harping like people here are saying "oh youre a fat slob...you deserve a hot woman!"

Please, read the forum before commenting and just talking nonsense. Your audacity to be the only person in a long time to bring up the topic of how a female looks, and then say we only value looks. Thats just crazy. Find these threads where the only value a woman has is her looks. Find these threads were most men are saying dont pay on a date. Find these threads where guys are being told that they shouldnt bring anything to the table.

You cant. Its just disturbing that you'd throw lie after lie after lie out there with no evidence whatsoever. If you really are a pharm student, fine, but at this point either you're lying or cant research before you speak. Cause I have no idea where you see this "only value a woman has on here is her looks" thing. If you can get simple shit like this wrong time after time, I gotta wonder how terrible your skills at understanding real life is. None of that was to bash you, but I dare you to find just ONE lie about this forum that I just told.

Yeah, that's I've been telling her from day 1

She keeps talking about magic tricks and manipulative routines but ,this forum is more about having your shit together and improving all aspects.

She has already decided this forum is that before even being amongst the threads and being a part of the forum

I must admit, the advertising is a little sleazy, but that is the owner of this forum trying to monetise his income. But does not reflect the content of it's members

Lol - and she is ironically the making threads projecting her own agenda, trying to bait guys into admitting to being scum bags

No wonder why she is unhappy with her love life

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Obviously you don't have an ounce of intelligence, so that trying to make a logical argument with you is hopeless. Now that make sense, considering that when talking about attractiveness you can only consider look or status, never (god forbid) what's inside.

You say: "Aha! You guys are illogical, because you want to be alpha but you don't want to pay for first date."
I tell you: "Like peolpe have been telling you all the time, paying for a date, as a calculated move, is seen here as beta. So not paying is all logically sound for us."
You reply: "I disagree, not paying can be seen as a lack of interest." (So not only are you missing or conveniently ignoring the point that your statement of illogicality is wrong, but now you're comparing a lack of interest to an alpha behavior, two things which have absolutely nothing to do with one another)

All that to say, go grab a book on critical thinking, and come back when you can have a conversation that actually makes a fucking sense. I'm done with you.

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Correction, I've graduated from pharmacy school and now preparing for boards.

Guys, go ahead, write essay long responses. But at the end of the day, the men that are successful with women, that have their shit together, are not on these forums wasting their time writing essay long replies.

They have better shit to do than 'feed the trolls'.


Good luck. Here's an A+ for each one of you that took time out of your busy dating schedules to write these essays.

Lol double post fail

AGAIN....No forums would exist if there wasn't the experienced folk helping the inexperienced guys - Why can't you comprehend this?

People go to forums to seek advice. Why would they go to forums otherwise? You're so stubborn to use the default:

'Yeah whatever guys, you guys are shit with women because you're on this forum" - Do you know how childish this makes you? - Deflect our points as much as you want. Time for you to leave unless you can actually have a logical debate

Imagine if Trump just ignored people's views and said 'You guys are all 9-5 peasants anyway' - This is how you debate and you don't realise it

You think it's sad we are on this forum but what does that say about you being here?

*In before carefully select some points of mine and ignore the good ones*

Just move on with your life and stick to what you're good at, making sandwiches or whatever

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Do you know how childish it makes you to even engage with trolls? You attack me saying my level is low, but you're just as low for stooping to someone 'low'.

Your reply is pretty ironic and as I predicted...You deflected my points...Predictable

I can tell you're about to leave...

Bye bye sugar

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You're so desperate to win the argument. Whatever. You win. Have your lame PUA forum victory. I'm sure the ladies would be enamored to find out how you spend your time on PUA forums.

Thank you. I will also have the last word

Inabizzle, dizzle

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She's like a female dtrak

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