Exactly. If you're not paying for anything.. Cool.. But bring something too. Cook a meal.. Plan something free for both to do if you're broke. A back rub. If you're just taking someone's generosity and not being generous back you're just a taker.

Do nothing? Again, taking it out of the ballpark. You and neo87 are women haters.

Everybody has their own preferences.

But you are really shallow for not giving obese women a chance. Oh, those are your preferences? Hm, okay.

So, here you are on a PUA forum, learning about all these opening lines, gestures, etc. which really puts YOU, the MAN, in charge of doing something while she evaluates you to see if she'll give you a chance or not.

Last time I checked, forum's full of threads such as, "How do I Approach A Chick."

Next time when you're at a bar or whatever, PLEASE sit there and WAIT for the woman to approach you. After all, you want her to impress you too, right?

Okay. To answer your question. I've paid for both, brought wine, drove an hour to see him. But I know, for you, a woman would have to shell out double the effort, time and money. Good riddance!

OP, is the guy you're talking about named Moose?

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Do you have a picture of him?

Only in my mind and it makes me sad.

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If that is the case, that men are the stronger sex , women are the submissive sex and I should be expecting sex every single time and whenever I want. Isn't that right OP ?

A man doesn't need to prove himself to a woman. Why should I tell a chick about my career, why should I tell her about my expensive cars, clothing, or accessories ?

Why ? I just met her, where was she when I was putting all this work for myself to make my own life happy. Why do I have to suddenly impress someone just because she happens to be a woman ( or in your words, the weaker sex).

The only effort a man should be making is making you feel like a woman.

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What does sex have to do with this? If you want the woman to reciprocate the same effort, then please, stay there and don't make the first move. Let her come to you.
So then, why all this talk that a woman's got to show a man what she's bringing to the table? Let's all just stay home and not prove anyone anything.
Where was he when I was putting in all this work for myself to further myself?
Ahah, and what kind of effort is that? I thought you said men are equal to women, so why the gender roles all of a sudden?

N2, the OP started with a story of a cheap guy. Which I agreed with and defended in multiple posts. She then took it to a guy needs to pay to play and men need to spend money to get a high quality woman. This I disagreed with to which I was called a woman hater. Read the rest of her replies, and get ready to join the "you mus hate women" club.

OP calm yourself down. YOU told a story where YOU didnt say what you did. Even when asked you dodged. You keep lying that anyone here is complaining about a $10 drink.
I could keep quoting but you get the idea....Why are you arguing with fictional guys complaining about drinks in your head? I mean, are you READING replies here, or is there some other forum you're responding to their replies here?

I asked you what did you bring to the table, and instead of being straight up and honest, you decided to go crazy on here and make up shit in your head.

should have gone like this:
Neo: "what did you bring to the table to show you were worth it"
You: "I did XYZ."
Neo: "Ok sounds like you DO actually bring stuff"

Instead it went like this:
Neo: "what did you bring?"

You: "Woman hater!!"
Neo: "Oh since you cant say I assume you brought nothing
You: More craziness
Neo: you should bring something to the table
You: I brought wine and payed

Now after all that run around, you've acted crazy and flip flopped on what you were saying.

For the record, no one is complaining about a $10 drink
No one told you you shouldnt have a preference
No one said this guy made the right moves

None of that is in this thread. Yet you keep repeating that like a lunatic. I said, dont be cheap and pay for a drink. Do a nice thing with NO EXPECTATIONS. You turned it into "pay to play" and a man has to impress you and work for you. Fine. Thats your choice. I believe that you should meet someone and they need to bring more than their looks and resume. Money spent doesnt matter. You think differently. And thats your choice. But dont act like all men who focus on getting to know a woman instead of working for her are woman haters. Calm down, stop acting crazy and arguing with yourself. You are really making women look erratic and entitled.

You've implied things (which I never said) that I never did stuff for this guy, I don't bring to the table, I'm expecting fancy dates, and a bunch of other stuff which I've addressed in previous posts.

And secondly, in true love, there will never be a 50/50 split.

Oh, and if you're going to argue about the whole fair share game, then don't bother spending 5k on a ring. Because that's really unfair.

And you know what else. There's plenty of men that assume the traditional role, so go argue with them, too.

Never implied, ASKED A QUESTION: ASKED the question AGAIN: What I said in page 1 or 2: So who is arguing a fair share game? I actually made the point yesterday.
I said: So, I never implied anything, I asked a question repeatedly for you to answer. So wrong there.

I never argued for a 50/50 split, in page 1 I argued AGAINST a 50/50 split in dating. Wrong again

And I never said men shouldnt assume a traditional role, I actually argued that you could. Wrong 3 times.

I just like quoting the truth, cause I dont need to call you anything...my words from yesterday and today contradict every single point you make. Look, Im not playing this you lie on what I say, then call me a woman hater game. And lets see if you're a good person and will admit that you were wrong 3 times.


Maybe, I'm crazy....can someone else tell me if there's an argument she's making against whats actually being written or whats in her head? Have I written things and somehow they could be taken as the things she's defending? Maybe im missing something but will welcome the feedback.

Is this guy even real?

I've answered your question up top. I did do stuff for him that my girlfriends found annoying.

Between you, Zero, and a bunch of other guys, it's hard to remember everything.



And I did answer in a previous reply.

I never said you did. I said there are plenty of men out there that assume this role.

And let's see if you're a good person and admit you were wrong by saying that I ACCEPTED his meal, that I TOLD him to cook me lobster and bisque and creme brulee and that I DIDN'T offer to pay.


Yes, he's real and he's not getting laid.

The reason I said you were a woman hater because you were making these extravagant assumptions that I didn't bring anything to the table, that I complained to him about this and that, that I never paid my share, that I didn't offer, that I demanded him cook me this and that. And I didn't. So it seems to me you've got hostile pent up anger towards women. Because why assume such things? I don't assume that every man on this forum is looking for a quick lay.

Lol. So you quote me, then say YOU, YOU, YOU and then when called out say I wasnt talking to you.
Please show me where I said you TOLD him to cook whatever and u didnt offer to pay. Dont waste your time, I told you you LET him cook whatever. You wrote a story where you never mentioned offering to pay. Please show me where you said you offered to pay and I said you didnt.
Never did. I asked you what you brought to the table.
Never said this.


Never said this. I said you accepted and it was shitty of him to not do what he promised

You assumed every man here is struggling to meet women.

Look, I'm not even going to say you're erratic because you're a woman, I think you're just erratic person. And thats a shame cause you're finishing your degree and by now should be educated enough to respond logically to a question. A question is not = assuming.

I've never said anything about a fair share game. The thing that I have a problem with is that you are advocating that a guy shouldn't be cheap while you feel entitled. Believe it or not, I'm actually on your side on a surface level. I think your complaints are absolutely 100% valid when it comes to this 1 guy. The rest of what your talking is the man trying to impress you even though you are also into him. Fuck that, I want to be impressed too. I want the girl that I'm interested in to reciprocate rather than think "what is he going to show (or buy) me next?"

BTW...it's Mr. Zero.

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