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"Bar X. 10."
This I don't give enough of a fuck to even write a full sentence attitude will never work on even a half-decent woman, let alone one actually worth dating.
But that's besides the point. This woman has little to no investment in OP. You can't take attention away from someone who doesn't want it in the first place.
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It might have come as strong I agree. However if she was more interested it wouldn't matter and would have continued fun conversation and texting. I do like playing with texting and maybe there were signs of overinvestment but i won't go into how I could have done it differently because i think it wouldnt have much of a different result. You shouldn't need to game someone so hard to become interested in you after 2 meetings in real life. Not feeling ready to come over to your place even if it doesn't lead to sex? Not very interested..
The food thing was a bit cringeworthy, but other than that you're right. She's not very interested.
And that's to be expected if you don't escalate.

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Her: My bad :cry:

Her: What's your game plan

Her: Well done " Italy" Well done

Her: Good for you

Her: Breakfast for champions

her: it's getting me to not eat that's the isse and not eating good stuff

Her: Yes

Her: Absolutely


No reply


Her: kind of

Her: Hmmm not really but I am happy to see you enjoy your own wittiness
Kind of as in quick flight here and there

Her: Oh that only God and crew planning can answer (she works for private jet airline with any time duty calls) What's happening on Tuesday?

Her: And you need someone to do the dishes after hence the question what am I doing on Tuesday?

Her: Oh wow look at me being born under a lucky star and all

Her: I didn't say it will happen lol

Her; I really can't answer that (timing tells me that was for the first message "before the 20.45 is good")
Not to super overthink it or anything, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of much going on here, you are not really trying to connect with her and get to know her. You are not really expressing interest in her, it seems sort of cold almost like she is butthurt slightly about something like maybe you hurt her feelings or something or she doesn't feel qualified/validated. If you look at her texts alone and exclude your own, it's pretty clear she isn't really trying to give anything at all in this exchange. Then again I don't feel like you are genuinely trying to give anything either really of yourself or putting much of an effort into connecting, it's sort of superficial small talk, maybe the dates have been different, only you would know.
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She didn’t reply and no contact since. Now looking back I see that my last message I just backed down easily without giving any statement afterwards. I felt like she was going to come because she was playing along just like the other times she was teasing me and challenging me when I asked her out (both dates) but then I left it there.

My first thought of action was to call her the next day (just like I did last time to confirm the shisha date) since it would just be one day before the supposed date and there would be less likelihood to be called for work in the last minute, chit chat a bit, tell her the plan about dinner, ask her to join me and see her reaction. I kept thinking that she is not interested, otherwise she would reply something and so I did nothing.

Now I cannot decide whether I should try pursue her once more or not, my impression is that she is not interested. In general she doesn’t initiate the texting apart from updating the logistics at the time of the date. The replies are usually teasing, challenging and funny but mostly short. While the interaction is fun I find it unattractive and too much work to do on my behalf to always reach for her while it should be more of a 2 way if a girl is interested. I am not sure if being Eastern European has something to do with this with the mentality that an interested man should pursuit the women.

Should I wait a couple of days and call her, tease her and say that the house cleaning is going to be away for some time and I need her help to wash the dishes?
I think the whole wash the dishes and she is beneath you act is what might be killing it, she doesn't seem massively keen about it, it seemed to me more like sarcasm then excitement but then again texts are easy to misinterpret.

It seems sort of like you guys don't know each other too well, she went out with you a couple times and is kinda getting turned off, I don't know exactly why that is but that's what it seems like to me. You might be able to change it around if you stop being gamey and just be normal while not hiding your true feelings and really listen to what she says and try to understand her and make her feel happy, but that might amount to nothing, either way that's fine, it doesn't seem like she is too keen with the current modus operandi.


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"Bar X. 10."
This I don't give enough of a fuck to even write a full sentence attitude will never work on even a half-decent woman, let alone one actually worth dating.
She's blowing him off because he over-texted and was needy. I don't recommend the "Bar X" line for the first contact, but I do recommend it as a way to *at last* show decisiveness and leadership when a girl realizes you're kind of a pussy and backs away.

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"Bar X. 10."
This I don't give enough of a fuck to even write a full sentence attitude will never work on even a half-decent woman, let alone one actually worth dating.
She's blowing him off because he over-texted and was needy. I don't recommend the "Bar X" line for the first contact, but I do recommend it as a way to *at last* show decisiveness and leadership when a girl realizes you're kind of a pussy and backs away.
So is this an idea or something that works for you when you over-text women while being needy?

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In the past these kinds of things happened to me, yes. I was too eager, too texty and it comes off as feminine behavior.

So instead of the dreaded "plz respond" (lol) texts (which are basically what you are inferring when you keep contacting a girl who isn't initiating), you send a direct, decisive message after a "cleansing" period of no contact that contrasts with your waffling, soft behavior previously.

"Bar X, 10." Sounds like Jason Statham talking. The texting the OP did sounds like a lovestruck girl.

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"Bar X. 10."
This I don't give enough of a fuck to even write a full sentence attitude will never work on even a half-decent woman, let alone one actually worth dating.
She's blowing him off because he over-texted and was needy. I don't recommend the "Bar X" line for the first contact, but I do recommend it as a way to *at last* show decisiveness and leadership when a girl realizes you're kind of a pussy and backs away.
Wow. Talk about an ass backward approach.


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"Bar X. 10."
This I don't give enough of a fuck to even write a full sentence attitude will never work on even a half-decent woman, let alone one actually worth dating.
She's blowing him off because he over-texted and was needy. I don't recommend the "Bar X" line for the first contact, but I do recommend it as a way to *at last* show decisiveness and leadership when a girl realizes you're kind of a pussy and backs away.
No, this kind of approach is not congruent at all with what has happened and what she has seen so far from me. Texting after 2 weeks with a "Bar X, time 22.00" is not going to even get a response. I believe a phone call after long time would be better off as I feel comfortable talking on the phone with this one.
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--I think the whole wash the dishes and she is beneath you act is what might be killing it, she doesn't seem massively keen about it, it seemed to me more like sarcasm then excitement but then again texts are easy to misinterpret.
She is the one that mentioned it being sarcastic, challenging and playful as she is, shown to be in real life and in texts too. My impression initially was that she was playing along and that she would later agree to my invitation as it happened before; Usually girls will straightaway make excuses about how they cannot come and say "sorry I am busy".
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It seems sort of like you guys don't know each other too well, she went out with you a couple times and is kinda getting turned off, I don't know exactly why that is but that's what it seems like to me. You might be able to change it around if you stop being gamey and just be normal while not hiding your true feelings and really listen to what she says and try to understand her and make her feel happy, but that might amount to nothing, either way that's fine, it doesn't seem like she is too keen with the current modus operandi.
I am a really good listener, remember lots of small details a woman or a person tells me, that they themselves might forget later. I 'm always being playful at small opportunities, e.g. walking towards a small water pond on the walkway and slowly pushing her towards the pond.. or laying back on the couch with the feet on the small table, hers being on the edge and me trying to push them off. At another point while I was sitting back and chilling, seeing the stars, she put her finger in my ear. When I reacted she says "you are lucky, it could have been wet" This kind of "child fun" is working for me in my interactions and makes the women also being playful.

She is not stupid and knows my intentions, she probably has at the time quite a few options left and right being good looking, tall (little bit taller than me) in a country where women are in demand. I don't know how I could have turned her off by my behaviour, have never shown any sign of neediness in our meet ups, maybe from the texting saying " I can cook something good for you" and some over joking in another occassion. I come accross as a good guy and maybe not super exciting. There could be something else that I might not know or she is just not into me.

For the time being she knows that I have invited her over to my place for something more, perhaps she was playing games and wanted to know how I would respond to the challenge of her not accepting straightaway or simply doesn't not interested and not give a shit.

I didn't show any other sign of interest or attempt to re-establish connection and left it there. I know about cutting the losses short when the other person is obviously not interested but am I being painted like the guy who was trying to just get sex and when I saw that I am not getting it easily, I stopped the contact?

Anyway as I said I believe a phone call is better to be direct than the ultimatum "Bar X " message. Phone call can be in the context of "how are you doing, bla bla, let's catch up, I am busy this week but next week is better, will let you know when", then keep doing what you are doing and when you feel like it, text to set up a meeting after 5-6 days.

Looking at the bigger picture, it is not worth the effort in trying to game a chick where you always have to reach out for her who is either not much into you or playing you or something else is going on in her life, . Trying to win someone over rarely works.


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Looking at the bigger picture, it is not worth the effort in trying to game a chick where you always have to reach out for her who is either not much into you or playing you or something else is going on in her life, . Trying to win someone over rarely works.
So many guys start posts like this but can't ever get to this realization. Good job.

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Looking at the bigger picture, it is not worth the effort in trying to game a chick where you always have to reach out for her who is either not much into you or playing you or something else is going on in her life, . Trying to win someone over rarely works.
I'm going to call bullshit, because you're dodging the responsibility for messing this up, which is womanly behavior (the exact behavior that got her to bounce you).

The truth is, you had this woman on TWO dates. She was interested. A woman doesn't go on a second date if she doesn't dig you at least a little bit. That's the "sex" date for most women.

Your actions turned her off.

Rather than making excuses, I'd accept responsibility, and make adjustments towards future women.

Is she not worth the effort anymore? Who knows. But one truth remains: you had her, and then turned her off.

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Anyway as I said I believe a phone call is better to be direct than the ultimatum "Bar X " message. Phone call can be in the context of "how are you doing, bla bla, let's catch up, I am busy this week but next week is better, will let you know when", then keep doing what you are doing and when you feel like it, text to set up a meeting after 5-6 days.
"bla bla" is exactly right. You've already gone that route.

It failed.

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Looking at the bigger picture, it is not worth the effort in trying to game a chick where you always have to reach out for her who is either not much into you or playing you or something else is going on in her life, . Trying to win someone over rarely works.
I'm going to call bullshit, because you're dodging the responsibility for messing this up, which is womanly behavior (the exact behavior that got her to bounce you).

The truth is, you had this woman on TWO dates. She was interested. A woman doesn't go on a second date if she doesn't dig you at least a little bit. That's the "sex" date for most women.

Your actions turned her off.

Rather than making excuses, I'd accept responsibility, and make adjustments towards future women.

Is she not worth the effort anymore? Who knows. But one truth remains: you had her, and then turned her off.
Why call this dodging responsibility? If you fuck up, then you fucked up. If a woman is no longer interested, then she is no longer interested. The bottom line is that you don't waste time trying to fix or convince. You learn and move on to the next one. Too many guys here try to pursue the same woman that has closed the door, but they still stand their knocking. It's so pathetic.

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That's true, but the key word in"learn and move on" is "learn".

Or this type of thing just gets repeated over and over.

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That's true, but the key word in"learn and move on" is "learn".

Or this type of thing just gets repeated over and over.
Exactly. He seemed to just learn this lesson within the time he started writing this thread and the point where he started seeing the bigger picture. Sometimes you have to give credit where credit is due.

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I agree with alot of pumpingtons assessment here. My guess is you did too much teasing and it got tiring. I mean damn man, you ran the fasting/breakfast food talk into the ground. I think what pump was talking about is annoyance on her side, and I cant blame her because I groaned reading it. Shes probably thinking shes not in a rush for date 3 and more banter back and forth. Teasing without escalating = not good.

Also, heres the thing about inviting a woman to your place. Most women know what that means. The problem is, she has to be in the mood to fuck you, and if you havent turned her on prior or currently, she's not going to want to come over. You gotta seduce a chick, and this talk of fasting and breakfast was not seductive. Jumping her bones on date 3 at your place, unless she was really into you, is not a good move.

If in your country kissing is forbidden in certain places, you gotta arrange your dates differently. Cause you shouldnt have been taking her to places you couldnt kiss, and you shouldnt have been delaying moving her to a more private location. You say you like to be playful; well you have to use that playfullness to escalate. Trying to push her in the pond, laughing, then grabbing her and kissing her deeply = GREAT. Trying to push her in the pond and doing nothing after = CHILDISH. Use that playfulness and familiarity to move her. Not for callback humor.


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I definitely don't agree with archstanton's approach, but to each his own. I think sending a girl, "bar x, 10" shows no rapport or fun. It depends what you're after I guess.
Agreed, you didn't really escalate enough. Plain and simple. By date two, you should be getting pretty physical. You should be holding hands, etc by this stage. Even if you think you are going to get shut down, you should push to move to a venue where you can at least kiss/make out.
Your text game is okay, maybe a bit needy and a bit too long. I'm not the greatest about text game, but one rule I use is go back and forth one or two times, then push to the goal - meeting. Also, I like to ask when she's free, or offer a few alternatives for time. I'm usually busy and so are a lot of high value girls. I don't expect girls of value to cancel all their plans to fuck me at any instant.


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