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Would you use 'Openher'?
1 - It would be of no benefit, I would not use it.  21%  [ 3 ]
2 - It could benefit some, but I would not use it.  7%  [ 1 ]
3 - Impartial  29%  [ 4 ]
4 - It's a good idea, I would be happy to use it!  36%  [ 5 ]
5 - 100% Yes! This could benefit the whole community!  7%  [ 1 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 1:20 am 
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Evening Fellow Scallywags,

I'm a programme developer/app developer, and I think I've thought of an awesome way to help you up your numbers.

Oh I hear your thoughts, "not another shitty dating app"... let's get this out of the way quick... I HATE dating apps. I found you can build the confidence to say the right things to a women from behind a screen... but that doesn't mean you're going to be able to transcend that confidence into a real life situation. Building ultimate confidence in real world social environments is a feeling like no other and it something I aim to help others achieve!

My philosophy on game, is it is largely based on numbers. A salesman with 90 leads has way better chance of converting those into sales than a salesman with only 3 right! It's exactly the same with women. The man whom opens 90 women in a week is definitely has a higher chance of converting those to the bedroom than the guy who only opened 3... Only thing is, it's easy to miss a window of opportunity to open a conversation.

THIS is where my idea for an app comes into play!

I call it "Openher" and I plan to make it absolutely FREE (yeah seriously, just trying to help a brother out!). The general functionality of this app will be a singular button that you press and will instantly give you an opener to use along with the success rate that others have had using the same opener. You can either generate a new opener or select that you've used the opener suggested. If you select that you used the opener, it will then ask "Did this opener work?". You then simply select yes or no, and this will then add to the "success rate percentage". Users will have the ability to add their own openers and see what success rate their material also gets - I'll probably create a newsletter that goes out once a month with the top 10 highest scoring success rates for all users to use and field test (there may even be prizes for the top spots depending how popular the app gets). This will keep openers more fresh, avoid stumbling over your words as you can get an opener at the press of 1 button and allow people to constantly adapt their game by seeing where others are having the success, as well as contribute to helping others.

What I really came here to find out though... is this something you would use? I've added a little poll (rating is from 1 - 5, 1 being the lowest) - give me a click and help me in making the decision if to really start developing this idea!

Feel free to post any comments below as well if you have any ideas!


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Few flaws with this:

1) What you say fails in compairson with how you say it.
Example: One guy goes up to a girl and spouts out an opener with very low energy and the girl can barely hear him. She just walks away. Another guy goes and spouts out the same opener but does it loud and playfully. The girl responds well. Does this opener work or not? Depends on how its delivered.

2) Your looks play a big factor.
Example: One guy who is very ugly approaches a girl with an opener and she instantly rejects him. Another guy, this time a male model, approaches with the exact same opener. She thinks what he just said is lame but god damn is he hott so she talks to him. Did this opener work or not? Depends on how attractive the women found him.

3) The women could be in a rush/married/lebian/etc.
Example: A guy walks up to a woman and uses an opener but she walks away because she is late for an important class. Did the opener suck and fail or was she just late? You usually wont know.

I could go on and on and on. I think you get my point.

On the other hand, anything that gets guys to approach may not be a bad thing no matter how flawed the app is.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 3:38 am 
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Few flaws with this:

1) What you say fails in compairson with how you say it.
Example: One guy goes up to a girl and spouts out an opener with very low energy and the girl can barely hear him. She just walks away. Another guy goes and spouts out the same opener but does it loud and playfully. The girl responds well. Does this opener work or not? Depends on how its delivered.

2) Your looks play a big factor.
Example: One guy who is very ugly approaches a girl with an opener and she instantly rejects him. Another guy, this time a male model, approaches with the exact same opener. She thinks what he just said is lame but god damn is he hott so she talks to him. Did this opener work or not? Depends on how attractive the women found him.

3) The women could be in a rush/married/lebian/etc.
Example: A guy walks up to a woman and uses an opener but she walks away because she is late for an important class. Did the opener suck and fail or was she just late? You usually wont know.

I could go on and on and on. I think you get my point.

On the other hand, anything that gets guys to approach may not be a bad thing no matter how flawed the app is.
First of all, thank you for your feedback!

Maybe saying "Did this opener work?" Is a very loose way of wording it. At the end of the day, an opener is simply a way to start a conversation, not build attraction or build raport. Looks CAN play a part in attracting women, however, I still believe how you hold yourself is what truely attracts women (I've some butt ugly guys with confidence and a 10 under there arm several times in London) and practice makes perfect!

Maybe it would be better to rework the rating system and have it as star rating system instead with a short comment/review option so you could see what other people thought and what happened to them - suppose this would serve better for field reporting anyways.


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For some strange reason I like the idea. If its like a "hey try this random opener have fun" thing, and not super serious. Once its super simple and gets guys to approach and not care. I'd say add a 3 sec countdown once the opener pops up. And records the number of approaches you do with a tap.


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For some strange reason I like the idea. If its like a "hey try this random opener have fun" thing, and not super serious. Once its super simple and gets guys to approach and not care. I'd say add a 3 sec countdown once the opener pops up. And records the number of approaches you do with a tap.
Dude, that's a fucking awesome idea! Make it more of a challenge and give them less time to think about the approach - you're spot on. Really appreciate your feedback!

Note to everyone/anyone viewing, please make sure you vote on the poll - it's a big help to have an easy method to colate your thoughts on the idea ^.^


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 17, 2016 4:59 am 
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Will it be open source / hosted on github?


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The problem is, it doesn't matter what you say.
and what are you talking about you hate dating apps? I used to be the same way, I would think "dating apps is for losers who cant get laid in real life"
dating apps are great because they give you access to a lot more single girls.
i will give you a random example. imagine you are looking for a receptionist for your office. do you go on the street and ask every girl "are you looking for a job?" or do you post an ad on a job board? which is more efficient?


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Will it be open source / hosted on github?
I couldn't say at this point, still have to decide if it's worth developing ^.^


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The problem is, it doesn't matter what you say.
Hi there buddy, sorry I'm a bit confused. What's the problem?
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and what are you talking about you hate dating apps? I used to be the same way, I would think "dating apps is for losers who cant get laid in real life"
dating apps are great because they give you access to a lot more single girls.
i will give you a random example. imagine you are looking for a receptionist for your office. do you go on the street and ask every girl "are you looking for a job?" or do you post an ad on a job board? which is more efficient?
You've ventured way off point - I'm trying to help train real world/real social confidence which only comes from practicing approaches and talking in different situations over and over again.

When I want to get someone to work for me, people who are looking for work will contact me - no effort required. Yeah some girls will open online, but most will avoid it like the black plague, either way you still have to put some element of work in, regardless if online or off.

When I say I hate dating apps, it is my personal opinion. I spend most of my day travelling to new clients and meeting new people in real life situations. Nothing is more personal than face to face - maybe I'm a purist like a DJ that will only use vinyls, but that is my personal opinion.

Although I'm solely set on helping people in real life situations, I don't see why we couldn't have a menu option that said something like "Tinder openers" and have another section for people that want online material? Have it work on the same sort of random generator? What do you think?

I'm all about development here and making it the best I can make it so I appreciate any feedback you have on the app idea ^.^


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I voted for impartial. Mainly because I wouldn't take an app like this seriously. Sure, maybe I'd use it to fuck around and have fun but that's about it.

Guys that don't approach don't do it out of lacking a good line.

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I voted for impartial. Mainly because I wouldn't take an app like this seriously. Sure, maybe I'd use it to fuck around and have fun but that's about it.

Guys that don't approach don't do it out of lacking a good line.
I appreciate your input and feedback! I suppose I see game as a bit of fun anyways.

I suppose I'm talking from experience of seeing friends go "omg have you seen her, the things I would do!"... I always respond, why don't you talk to her and instantly it's "nah man, what would I even say?"

I suppose the best way to make to make people approach who don't, is to counter any excuses that people find not to approach? That's why I really like the 3 second timer idea mentioned above.

If you can think of any improvements or ways we could better help the community in some aspect, please let me know!


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I voted for impartial. Mainly because I wouldn't take an app like this seriously. Sure, maybe I'd use it to fuck around and have fun but that's about it.

Guys that don't approach don't do it out of lacking a good line.
I appreciate your input and feedback! I suppose I see game as a bit of fun anyways.

I suppose I'm talking from experience of seeing friends go "omg have you seen her, the things I would do!"... I always respond, why don't you talk to her and instantly it's "nah man, what would I even say?"

I suppose the best way to make to make people approach who don't, is to counter any excuses that people find not to approach? That's why I really like the 3 second timer idea mentioned above.

If you can think of any improvements or ways we could better help the community in some aspect, please let me know!
Well yeah, that's my point exactly. "Not knowing what to say" is simply an excuse. Then will come "I'm not really in the mood", "She probably has a bf", "blablabla".

You need to create some kind of reward system to entice guys to actually use it.

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Personally, no, I wouldn't use it. I don't need to. Not bragging in any sense, I just believe simple is better.

With that said, the market for pussyless men is seemingly bottomless. So yeah, it's marketable for sure.

What you are targeting here is 'Approach Anxiety' (fear). Having a phone app that would inspire you to face your fear. Yes vote.

As neo says having a window of opportunity is important.

You toggle the button and it tells you; "you have three seconds to say hi to this hotty, or never ever see her again." Somewhat counteracts that fear.

Adding confidence building anecdotes may be helpful as well. "She will not bite you."

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Personally, no, I wouldn't use it. I don't need to. Not bragging in any sense, I just believe simple is better.
Yeah I understand you. If you're comfortable in your own ways of pickup and they work then why fix what isn't broken!
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You toggle the button and it tells you; "you have three seconds to say hi to this hotty, or never ever see her again." Somewhat counteracts that fear.

Adding confidence building anecdotes may be helpful as well. "She will not bite you."
Yeah, Tinder uses the exact same model in terms of using reassuring, encouraging anecdotes when you match to get you to engage on the app. I think this would be spot on.


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What is your success background with women?

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