To start off, I hope this is in the right section. I apologize in advanced if it isnt.

So to make a long story short ive talked to two different girls over the last two and a half weeks and the same thing has happened. Ill try to make the stories brief. We will start with the first girl. I talked to her basically all day for about four days straight (i met her on a dating app). We start talking about random things just trying to get to know each other. well on the fourth day the night before i actually meet her for the first time we start sexting and sending nudes to each other she tells me about her sexual experiences and so on. I finally meet her on the fifth day, she was sick so i went over to her house watched a movie with her and kind of chatted a little. I had a lot on my mind and wasnt talking too much. Her drunk friend called her about 45 min into the movie and said she needed a ride home, we walked down to her car I attempted to give her a kiss but she turned her head and i barely struck the corner of her mouth. on my way home i texted her saying well that was an awkward kiss, i asked why and she said it was because i was awkward and she wasn't expecting it. texted her the day after and I believe the day after that with no response. I gave up on that one and have not talked to her since that night.

Now the second girl, i also met her on a dating app. Well I decided not to text this girl near as much because it didnt go so well last time. we send each other texts here and there and she asked me to hangout several times but i always had to decline because i was busy. I finally got together with her yesterday we met of for drink and really hit it off. I put my arm around her touched her quite a bit and made out with her before she left. She texted me later that night telling me how much she was into me and really really wanted to see me again and asked me what i was doing for valentines day and stuff like that. well today she texted me first at about 12pm i texted back and got no response i sent her one more message at around 10 tonight again no response. im just super curios about what im doing wrong if anything? any help would be much appreciated

Shit man... Where do I start with you?

You make a move on the girl who wants nothing to do with you... I'm going to guess that drunk friend phone call was a fake and she was trying to get herself out of an awkward situation.

Yet you hit the brakes on the chick that is practically throwing herself at you.

Dude, when a chick wants to hang out, you better fucking make time.

That shit is like a stock tip. If you don't make a move on it, someone else will. You need to capitalize on the opportunity. You're lucky she offered more than once.

Waste your time and energy on the girls who want it. Not the girls who are trying to avoid you.

Why be present if you have no intention of being present?
You guys are trying to jump steps.
You don't involve yourself in the date
You don't bother forming any kind of bond
You're not challenging/teasing her
But then you expect her to eat you face out. What for? obviously she wasn't expecting it since you didn't escalate to the point where it became the next natural step. A kiss should never be unexpected. Quite the opposite, it should be craved.


Did your first reply invite a response? I see countless examples of guys replying back with "Oh, that's cool" and then they create topics confused as to why she didn't text anything back. There's nothing to text back.
Same goes for your other message. You're not showing us the text, how are we supposed to guess why she's not replying?

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That all makes perfect sense, I even thought to myself after that I never should of even went to hangout with her that night.

As for the second girl, on the date she asked me to do tons of things with her. She invited me to the mountains with her and her family here in about two weeks. She said if things went well she would like me to go visit family in Australia with her etc. At about 330 that morning she texts me saying all these things how she was hoping i was up because she already missed talking to me, told me she wanted to do something with me on valentines day, she said she hoped she could be my sidekick in life and told me to listen to a song called "bonnie and clyde" by jayz, she couldnt wait to give me more and better kisses and tons of stuff like that. Well the next day at about 12:30pm she text me and the convo went like this....

Her: Hey whats up you monkey
Me: Haha whats up? Its funny you called me that the only person who calls me that is my mom

No response waited maybe like 5 hours texted her again

Me: I hope you make it home safe, this blizzard is pretty bad (i live in CO) and I know how dangerous you girls are behind the wheel.

no response and at about midnight last night i texted her again

Me: I hope you didnt die, I really enjoyed meeting you and hope i didnt scare you off.

I got a response this morning saying

Her: why are you so needy? Im going through a really tough time i dont want this and i want to be alone

i was actually a little shocked about this message because all she kept talking about was how much she was into me and wanted to spend all this time with and actually saying super needy things herself she even called herself out on it.
She is jus getting out of a two year relationship with a guy that was abusive to her so maybe thats why she flipped the switch so fast but i cant say for sure. I should add that she told me last thursday she wasnt ready to hangout with me because of all the things going on in her life i told her to let me know when she was ready she said ok and i never texted her back. she wrote back about an hour later saying "we can still talk lol" i told her i didnt like to just talk tons over text but here and there would be ok. Sunday was the day she asked me to hangout i told her i only wanted to hangout with her if she was actually ready and that it had only been a couple and i didnt want to play any stupid games. She assured me she was ready to see me. Can i recover from this or is it a lost cause? give her a week or so and try and contact her or what?

She didn't flip the switch, you did. Your hot and sexy vibe you had going got its ass kicked by your needy and clingy actions.
This made me puke a little.

1000x, To girls needy guys are like wedgies, they just can't pull them out of their ass fast enough and they won’t care who’s looking!

It's surprising she felt bad enough for you to call you out on it, rather than go silent.

I imagine you asked her why?

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I didnt ask her why, I just told her that I havent had or needed a girl in my life for over five years and I was far from needy. I also told her I had felt bad for her abusive ex boyfriend and what she was going through and thought by the things she was telling me she was seeking comfort of some sort, and that I had misread the situation.

That's like trying to explain the theory of relativity to the white noise on your TV after the cable goes out.

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When you have to verbally convince people you're not needy, you're needy.

And your actions are a testament to that. Those texts are.. yeah.

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This.


This again.

I post about a girl here occasionally who still has some bizarre pull on me. When she's hit me up ("What are you doing right now" at 1 am, etc), I've played games (delaying texts). Now she's gone cold and my only choice is to pull back. Luckily I'm seeing an amazing new girl and the pull is not as strong.

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Noooooooo! You just compared a girl you want to bang to your mom. No dude, just no. You lost it right here.

She called you a cute nickname too, which conveys she's into you.


Yeah no shit. You lost it at "my mom calls me monkey too".


Wow. You have to appreciate her brutal honesty. One thing I have learned is that the younger generation hates neediness , flowers, guys taking them out to dinner, etc. It's not like it used to be at all.

For some reason social media, texting, and other apps really has spotlighted neediness, and girls are hyper-sensitive to it. They always were, but it's in print now, rather than over the phone where a girl let's your comments pass into the ether while she thinks of what to say. They are freaking ruthless with neediness now.

Break all contact. Lift weights. Get sun. You need to do a "needy" cleanse. Usually two weeks works. But in this case I'd wait three and see if she hits you up. You can erase the mistake.

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Never talk about ex-boyfriends or current boyfriends. Act as if they don't exist. Be the fun, charming dude who leads them from drama to light.

You are the superior man. You have no competition. Inferiors are not worth your thought-time.

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Thanks guys, I appreciate all the help. I went on another date last night with a different girl which went fairly well. I'll go about my life as usual keep hitting the gym, going out with other girls, and having drinks with my buddies and see how things are in a few weeks. Unfortunately there isn't much sun to be had during the winter months in Colorado without freezing your balls off haha.

Why would you want to kiss a chick who’s sick? Even if it’s not a cold or the flu, you really think a chick who feels ill is going to want to hook up?

She was obviously sexually interested to some degree. Personally, I don’t ask a woman about her sexual history and don’t answer questions about mine. All I might ask is if she’s been tested for STDs and it do it in a way that doesn’t turn her off.

Post the text convo for the second chick.

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