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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 1:41 am 
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New year's eve in a club, 2 girls come up to the bar - I talk to them and my friend talks to the other. It's going well, I'm doing that 'claw' thing where I've got my hand hanging over her neck, kissing her, feeling her boobs a little before she playfully pushes me away. She's asking me lots of questions, what do I do, how old am I, etc. I make my intentions clear, asking her what colour underwear she's wearing, telling her where I want to touch her, etc. She tells me she has a free house that night in the middle of our convo.

Anyway, she sees how her friend is getting on with mine. He's talking but isn't kissing her yet (still, they seem happy). All 4 of us go the dance floor and dance for a bit, more kissing and feeling each other up. She says something to her friend and then asks me to come with her so we all go to another dance floor. It ends up being her friend and her dancing a lot on their own (me and my friend felt weird at this point, so we went and danced with other girls/guys right next to them). I look over a few times and catch her looking at me

Anyway, me and my friend get drinks and get back just after it goes midnight (with the countdown). She says something about all guys wanting the same thing, I was with other girls, etc... I said I like her but I don't want to play any games. Anyway, it died down there and we moved on. Plenty more girls, but I really want to know what should I have done? Not followed them when they went to the other room I'm guessing? It was really early in the night when this happened

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Yeah, I don't think it's a good idea for a girl to lead you like that.

There has a been a few times where something similar happened to me, she drags me around the club and im thinking i'm gonna score with all these compliance and then she plonks me in her big group of friends and i've become an insta-orbiter with her back turned to me lol. I guess she was trying to raise her social hierarchy in front of her friends. Anyway

It would be best to stand your ground IMO or take the lead on term yours. The dynamic stays good if you do that rather than plummet your value by supplicating.
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Anyway, me and my friend get drinks and get back just after it goes midnight (with the countdown). She says something about all guys wanting the same thing, I was with other girls, etc.
I guess you pissed her off by trying to make her jealous, talking to other girls on purpose like that can REALLY help or REALLY destroy you so you must have investment from her part. I would of played it safe personally.
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 Post subject: Re: Where did I F up?
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Thanks Dragula. I'll bear this in mind (leading)

What is it you mean when you said you would've played it safe? As in left her for a bit but not danced with other girls in front of her?

Sometimes the games they play are annoying... She was interested, I was interested and yet we couldn't just let it happen


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Thanks Dragula. I'll bear this in mind (leading)

What is it you mean when you said you would've played it safe? As in left her for a bit but not danced with other girls in front of her?

Sometimes the games they play are annoying... She was interested, I was interested and yet we couldn't just let it happen
I would of continued having a blast, girls will gravitate towards you when you do this, but I wouldn't dance and escalate with them if I liked the previous girl. She will be watching how the girls are magnetised by you, this is more subtle than an obvious approaching a girl to make her jealous tactic.

If the new girls that are gravitating to me a hotter though. I would ignore the previous girl since I got myself a better lead with out the need for any head games.

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She tells me she has a free house that night in the middle of our convo.
You should of kept this in the back of your mind throughout the entire seduction. If you played it right I think you could of fucked these girls.

Here is where you went wrong...
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It ends up being her friend and her dancing a lot on their own (me and my friend felt weird at this point, so we went and danced with other girls/guys right next to them). I look over a few times and catch her looking at me.
And then again here...
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Anyway, me and my friend get drinks and get back just after it goes midnight (with the countdown). She says something about all guys wanting the same thing, I was with other girls, etc... I said I like her but I don't want to play any games.
Point one would be basic pick up knowledge. Girls are very contagious to emotions, when you and your friend started to feel uneasy on the dance floor, it is possible they would of picked up on that. The key on the dance floor is to be completely comfortable in your own skin and confident with hot girls around you.

If you were dancing with other girls and they were looking over this is no problem at all. It's your response to her statement about all guys wanting the same thing that fucked you up. Personally I would of just smiled and turned it into a flirt.

You could of also used the midnight countdown to escalate and make out. Then start to take the lead and take the interaction in the direction that you want it to go for the outcome that you want. They didn't tell you they had a free house for nothing.


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Thanks Dragula. I'll bear this in mind (leading)

What is it you mean when you said you would've played it safe? As in left her for a bit but not danced with other girls in front of her?

Sometimes the games they play are annoying... She was interested, I was interested and yet we couldn't just let it happen
I would of continued having a blast, girls will gravitate towards you when you do this, but I wouldn't dance and escalate with them if I liked the previous girl. She will be watching how the girls are magnetised by you, this is more subtle than an obvious approaching a girl to make her jealous tactic.

If the new girls that are gravitating to me a hotter though. I would ignore the previous girl since I got myself a better lead with out the need for any head games.
Cheers, that makes sense
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She tells me she has a free house that night in the middle of our convo.
You should of kept this in the back of your mind throughout the entire seduction. If you played it right I think you could of fucked these girls.

Here is where you went wrong...

And then again here...


Point one would be basic pick up knowledge. Girls are very contagious to emotions, when you and your friend started to feel uneasy on the dance floor, it is possible they would of picked up on that. The key on the dance floor is to be completely comfortable in your own skin and confident with hot girls around you.

If you were dancing with other girls and they were looking over this is no problem at all. It's your response to her statement about all guys wanting the same thing that fucked you up. Personally I would of just smiled and turned it into a flirt.

You could of also used the midnight countdown to escalate and make out. Then start to take the lead and take the interaction in the direction that you want it to go for the outcome that you want. They didn't tell you they had a free house for nothing.
Thanks for the reply. I felt weird because it was almost like they were ignoring us on the 2nd dance floor but maybe I was a bit needy? They were dancing with just each other so I guess I could've just kept dancing with my friend and, as Dragula said, had a blast. I was surprised at how it went from us being all over each other to those 2 stopping dancing with us.

The plan was to take advantage of the midnight countdown moment but it got weird just before that. I know the free house thing was a wasted opportunity.

When you say you would've smiled and turned it into a flirt (in response to her saying something about all guys being the same) do you mean you would've teased her about being jealous or something? The details are fuzzy now but I remember being caught off guard as I wasn't expecting her to complain about the other girls


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 Post subject: Re: Where did I F up?
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New year's eve in a club, 2 girls come up to the bar - I talk to them and my friend talks to the other. It's going well, I'm doing that 'claw' thing where I've got my hand hanging over her neck, kissing her, feeling her boobs a little before she playfully pushes me away. She's asking me lots of questions, what do I do, how old am I, etc. I make my intentions clear, asking her what colour underwear she's wearing, telling her where I want to touch her, etc.

I really want to know what should I have done?
too much positive body language, she pushes you away you don't budge, (seems needy)
use negative at the same time she pushes take a step and lean back, answer the questions however you need to, while moving back in for some kino,

did you also skip a lot of rappor? you were being tested the whole time bro

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New year's eve in a club, 2 girls come up to the bar - I talk to them and my friend talks to the other. It's going well, I'm doing that 'claw' thing where I've got my hand hanging over her neck, kissing her, feeling her boobs a little before she playfully pushes me away. She's asking me lots of questions, what do I do, how old am I, etc. I make my intentions clear, asking her what colour underwear she's wearing, telling her where I want to touch her, etc.

I really want to know what should I have done?
too much positive body language, she pushes you away you don't budge, (seems needy)
use negative at the same time she pushes take a step and lean back, answer the questions however you need to, while moving back in for some kino,

did you also skip a lot of rappor? you were being tested the whole time bro
Hi, I think you've got the wrong idea. She never pushed me away properly, she just did that thing where the girl slaps your hand or whatever to stop you feeling them up too much while laughing


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 Post subject: Re: Where did I F up?
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Well type the real situation, dont just say she pushed you away, elaborate more bro (Y)

Edit: Never mind, But I still say work on some body language bro ;P but thats up to you to judge

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Like Dragula said, your mistake was letting her lead you around. That's how you got into the awkward situation.
Also, the jealousy thing I find rarely works if you're doing it on purpose. More often than not it does significantly more harm.

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 Post subject: Re: Where did I F up?
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Sounds like there are a few things that happened that you didn't catch. Perhaps it was the alcohol or the loud music, or you just don't have the experience yet to understand where things took turn.

What I can see from her is, you spent too much time jaw jacking and didn't use the climax of the moment to pull her out the club.. I.e." Come on.. Lets just do the count down at my place" while taking her by the hand and leading her out of the venue.

There comes a point where you have to stop talking, dancing, and make your move. If its just one girl then you have more time to bullshit around. When you're dealing with multiple women at once, they can all easily get sucked into a new direction. When the moment is boiling you have to extract and use it because it all evaporates. You're not going to stay horny and hot forever. Use the hot moment to pull.

Her willingness to go home with a stranger is connected to the way she "feels". Once that feeling subsides you go back to being a cute stranger. During the height of her emotion she is connected to you and wants to experience the next level of those emotions with you. You're not a stranger at that point, she's blinded by the emotion. And if theres no relationship, no close (K or F), or strong emotional connect build outside of the face paced club environment, this is more often than not a temporary thing

So all you didn't do from what written here is strike when the iron is hot. Pick a girl or two. Kiss them and pull them while the moment is high next time and you'll be fine. Forget the elements. Forget that its new years. When she's blinded by the emotions she's not even considering these things.

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