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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 3:58 pm 
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It's kind of a cliche story but this is my story.
I used to be terrible with girls and I mean every aspect of it from the approaching(or not approaching, since I had severe AA) to talking with them and basically everything.
I got tired of it, decided to change something, gradually I became better, mainly through trial and error, later on I also found the pick-up community while I was already doing okay with girls and honestly at the beginning didn't really help me because I was changing my personality traits too radically I was getting off as in-congruent but nevertheless I found tactics that best suit me and what I already was, so at the end the pick-up community helped me, but that's a topic for another time or if you are interested in that let me know, I'll be happy to share.
All of this mainly happening in the course of 2.5 - 3 years.

So lately I haven't had any trouble with my confidence, nor my inner game but this is what happened. I met this girl a couple of months ago while I was dating someone else and at first I had no interest in being with her - because I was with someone else, actually I was kind of seeing 2 girls and I was okay on that field so my approach was friendly. And we became really good friends with her I supported her through one of the toughest times in her life having some family issues that I wouldn't wish to anyone, and later on or should I say now, she supported me through a real tough period of my life balancing university, multiple business and community development projects I'm involved in(I like calling myself an entrepreneur, since the definition of that word varies) and having my ex-best friend(whom I have known for 14 years and I'm 19) backstabbing me(in a figurative sense of the word), so we developed this really deep mutual-understanding relationship and sometimes we basically talk for hours and hours.

So basically right now I'm facing two problems which I hope you can help me a bit, since here are many experienced people both in terms of life and Pick up.

The first one is a kind of an obvious one, I have developed some feelings for that girl since we are together almost every day and I believe that I haven't developed that much rapport or a deep relationship with anyone in my life. And I know that she considers me only as a friend since she talks very openly about her past relationships and we were at this party together and she went out with another guy, I don't blame her for that, I know that if I was interested in her in a sexual sense from the beginning I would've had a different approach and right now I wouldn't have been in the "friend zone". I'm not needy, I talk about other girls with her also, but I have never been in this kind of a situation. I know that the decision about jeopardizing the relationship we have right now for something more is mine but any advice is very welcomed both in terms of how(since this is a field that I'm not very familiar or experienced with, by that I mean escaping the so called friend zone) and also in terms of is it the smart thing to do.

The second one is my inner game. I have a little trouble with my confidence not as much in terms of girls but more in terms of other situations. Lately I was at this conference and I had to approach a certain individual with a business proposal and I had an anxiety attack, my hands were shaking, cold sweat and I started losing my voice. This hasn't happened to me in 3 years. I know that everything that has happened lately + her, has influenced my confidence a bit, so any advice about that is very welcomed. And I think I'm starting to lose control both in terms of girls too, yesterday I acted like a regular AFC which really really disappointed me since I promised myself, never again.

I am very grateful and if you want to know more either about my experience with PUA or this situation, just let me know!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:32 pm 
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I realise you're probably posting here hoping someone has all the answers, or will introduce some mind bending secret technique, but it won't happen, these things need to be resolved by you yourself.

Here's the good news though, you're well capable already. A couple of things point to this, for example, you've already said you've come along way from having poor social skills, to allowing your ambition to be successful drive you into moulding you into the man you want to be. You can solve your issues without us, because that's life my man, we all have to live it by ourselves in the most immediate sense.

With that in mind, we can still look at this together:
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I met this girl a couple of months ago while I was dating someone else and at first I had no interest in being with her - because I was with someone else, actually I was kind of seeing 2 girls
I assume you don't have a lot going on female wise right now? I'm going to go out on a limb and say pretty much. What your post says to me is, I had plenty of realistic options, but now the closest thing to a realistic option of an enjoyable relationship (whatever that means to you) is her, even though in reality romance is unlikely between you two at this point in time. So think of it like a scientific equation, when you remove the situation of multiple relationships from your reality, you develop these unrequited feelings for your female friend. If you want them to go away then recreate the equation where they don't exist; namely, start seeing somebody else.

Recently I met a girl and had been getting on great with her, really liked her, so asked her out, but boom, flaked on me. I was sad for like 2 whole days before I just started again with someone else. Couldn't give a fuck about girl 1 now, in a month I doubt I'll remember her name.
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The second one is my inner game. I have a little trouble with my confidence not as much in terms of girls but more in terms of other situations. Lately I was at this conference and I had to approach a certain individual with a business proposal and I had an anxiety attack, my hands were shaking, cold sweat and I started losing my voice.
As you said though, you used to find dealing with women difficult. So ask yourself, how did you overcome that problem? I'm guessing by paying attention to what it is they are looking for, and developing yourself so that you believe what you have to offer them is something they might want, therefore presenting them the opportunity to have it is easy because it is obviously a win win situation. If they don't take you up on it, then they're a chump because someone else will, and fast.

Now read that paragraph back, but replace all the references to you as a person with the business idea you have. See how that works for you.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 6:43 pm 
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In a nutshell Bro, your smooth, slick pick-up vibe got it's ass kicked by oneitis.

The thought of this other girl is causing reluctance when you are intending on approach. Causing hesitation and confusion.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:57 pm 
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As you said, it's your decision. Personally however I wouldn't do it.
I don't know what your bro did, but she seems to be a good friend and you seem to need one. Feelings come and go. 3 months from now you could be happy with someone you haven't even met yet.

All the shit going on in your life has you overwhelmed. You need a break.

You have great self-awareness though. You're gonna make it.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 10:43 pm 
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I'll tell you what I told myself:

You can talk in the mirror or meditate all you want, but if you want confidence you will probably need evidence. So set some goals, some non-pickup goals, big goals and little ones, and accomplish them. The only qualifier is that they have to be goals that you do not need another person to confirm you have reached them i.e. running a marathon. I felt better after taking a bartending class and running a 5k than I did by having someone else tell me I was awesome.

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