No i didn't fuck any of them! HB1 is my friends girl, HB2 was her friend from out of town that i could have picked up, but i can't because HB3 is a very good friend of my main target girl, so it was all hands off lol. even tho hb2 was sending a bunch of signals i ended up just leaving her for my friend to have a threesome.


ANYWAYS….we had a fun night partying, me and my friend didn't do molly but the girls did…in our drunken and drug induced stupor we ended up having a great convo on PUA related topics. I'm sure most PUA here will already know about all this shit, but i thought it would be a good read for some of the juniors, and maybe for PUA to offer their thoughts.

The topic got brought up because HB3 was texting some guy and he was being a fucking lame. we didn't talk specifically about "pick up artists" just about the "game" of texting, romance, relationships, etc….

some of the main things i remembered

1) even if you look like david beckham or the hottest guy on the planet, No romantic or lovey dovey shit guys. All those lame lines from romance movies, all the stuff you thought is what girls want to hear, IS NOT WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR until you have been banging them and getting to know them for a while. The example that got brought up was that hb3 was talking to a guy, an attractive one with money at that. they hooked up once but hadn't really gone on any dates or done anything serious. after a week he started sending super cheesy texts and saying shit like "I will wait until the end of time for you" "you are the only thing in the world i care about" etc etc etc. the girls explained that this throws off HUGE red flags for women early on. they said that its weird because the guys "dont even know them well enough so why are they saying that shit"…they dont know about close personal issues, what her interests really are, etc. it makes them question the guys mental sanity lol….so long story short even though that guy looked good, laid some pipe, he never got a 2nd chance and was put on ignore due to his over the top romantic texts.

2) Curiosity killed the cat. women are curious creatures, if you put out bread crumb they will come. you need to have some aspects of your life hidden, you can't lay out all your cards on table. can't make yourself too open or available right away, have intrigue. kind of hard to explain this one but thats just what i was told…the example was that one of the girls was already seeing some guy, but got hit on by an older dude. the older dude had no game at all except "just come over here and see"….she ended up going over there and fucking him just because she was curious about an older dude being so confident and not saying much. maybe she's just a whore, who knows! lol

3) this one i didn't agree with or like too much, but all 3 talked about being in love with troubled guys, I'm talking shit like broke pill poppers, mental disorders, pimps drug dealers and other troubled shit. i was kind of like "damn y'all can do better than that" but they explained its because they feel sympathy and want to try and fix a troubled guy. i also imagine theres a power struggle at play, where the girl feels like she has more power over a fixable guy, than a AMOG PUA guy where she just feels like a side piece etc. this just fucking sucks to see because i absolutely hate it when i hear about a hot girl who is super cool, dating some lowlife piece of shit who can't even afford to take her out and treat her properly. its pathetic and i hate guys like this….

4) women are fucking crazy and almost every single one of them suffers from insecurity, depression, mood swings, random bouts of crying and outbursts, lol. you would see these hot girls and think they were confident and having a great love life where guys are cooing and calling every week, but the reality is they are home alone sad depressed and just lying around in a xanax induced stupor listening to Weekend while a bunch of lame guys text them AFC needy questions and shit.

so theres what i was able to take away from that night….feel free to digest or add but dont kill the messenger!!

Good stuff. Pretty much all true...but I don't even think those girls understand completely.It's not necessarily true that they don't want to hear the romantic stuff, it's the guys that pour it on. You have to give both sides. If you are romantic, you have to give some contempt to keep them off balance. All true. This is also part of #1. The guy who throws out that "this is the only girl I want line" isn't giving her any uncertainty. Uncertainty builds intrigue and that allows a person to be interesting.This is one that they don't understand. This goes back to contrast and duality. They like bad boys because they are the guys that will be masculine, show no fear, and has the world against them. At the same time when they're alone together he shows the side that is into her, will express what he wants out of life and she wants to be a part of that because she's the one that he confides in. She is the one that can help him get there in her mind.This is the part that guys fail to take advantage of. We can use insecurity to our advantage. We can lift them up when we want to or we can take advantage of it to get our way.

In all honesty, this is all part of the long game. It's for the girls that you meet and take forever to have sex with. If you do it right, you bypass all of this and you get to make the choice if they are worth keeping around.

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thanks for your insight! i was wondering about the insecurity part as well...how does one "lift them up" out of it without coming off as too romantic. do you taper up escalation or do you try to take it slow if you know shes going through some troubled times.

An example of lifting them up. Say they have a feature that they don't like. Some guys will use that to bring them down by insulting it. Other guys will compliment it. The guy who complimented it will probably get a good response from her because it is a source of her insecurity. Because he gave it value when another guy would frown she's going to see him in a positive light and be willing to open up more to him.

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yea i did that once when she texted me a pic but said she "looked terrible" and i had to correct her a bit and tell her her smile made by day.

but I'm thinking less of physical features, and more of their mental state. like if they are in a depression or emotional slump where they can't even drag themselves out of bed…wondering how to approach that angle. "hey girl i know your depressed lying around in bed all day so let me come wake your life up" hahah i would never say that but you get the idea.

I'm just asking because hb3 let me know some insider info on my target and she's been feeling really insecure and depressed lately, and her own insecurity is getting in the way of me making progress. she's scared she's not good enough for me or something weird like that, and that I'm just gonna pump and dump. but i really do want to help her out emotionally and bring some excitement into her life, we have some cool things planned but she's still really hard to get to open up to me about any of her true feelings. i had no idea she was even going through this, our dates were super fun and lots of kino and kisses….but hb3's insider info kind of changed my outlook.

You don't want to fuck with fixing someone's emotional security and becoming their emotional crutch because depression is no joke. Those types are emotionally draining and they will feed on you until they bring you down to their level.

If you want to get her to open up you should open up about something. She'll feel like she owes you. It's the law of reciprocation.

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This is simple. Don't give someone more than they deserve. These guys aren't just giving more, but they're going completely over the top. It's simply too soon, and the girls feel like they haven't earned it yet. The "relationship" doesn't call for it yet.
"Hey we fucked once and now you're the most important thing in my life".
Of-course they question such a guys' mental sanity.
People, not just women, are curious creatures. Curiosity is exciting. It stirs our emotions. I'm sure the older dude had some other advantages working for him, but yes, a bit of mystery will go a long way.
Like Jack said, "bad boys" polarize through their masculinity, as opposed to nice guys. Imagine how attracted they'd be for a guy that was both masculine and had his shit together.
I know you probably didn't mean it literally, but women aren't crazy. They're simple far more driven by emotion than men. But yeah, they're just as human and have even more insecurities than we do.

Funny story I just remembered.
I know a girl that would wake up before her dude, run to the bathroom and rub some natural makeup on, then go back to bed. Just so the guy would see her all perfect when he'd open his eyes.
And mind you, this woman is gorgeous even without it.

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Wow that's literally exactly what hb3 told me to do....not get all sappy and sad like ElToro but at least expose some kind of sensitivity she can relate too...

true, shit men can be emotional wrecks too. my cousin has attempted suicide twice, so has one of my coworkers. i know another girl whos boyfriend killed himself when she dumped him. shit im a wreck sometimes too, i get crazy depression sometimes where i am on a warpath but im usually able to focus that into my work and it eases up.

the makeup shit is crazy....REAL men tell their women they prefer them without makeup. my ex texted me last week on some sad shit, asking "i want your honest opinion, do you think i look better with or without makeup".....i guess her new boy told her "of course i prefer you with makeup, its like prefering you in a dress vs sweats" hahaha what a fucking boytoy......i told her the honest truth that i always thought she looked 100x better without makeup.


my new target actually never wears makeup which i find really attractive, she just curls her eyelashes. its pretty fuckin cool....