I was just reading some of The Game by Neil Strauss and thought, "Man, this book is now 10 years old. It's so old!" Crazy to think, because it feels like 2005 was just yesterday haha. I'm curious. How do you all think the pick up community has changed since way back then?

It's changed a lot for sure.

Well, most of that book seems like fiction and I never once thought that you could be good at this without rejection. It's more of a path way to the community rather than a blueprint

These days, it's more about being attractive in lots of aspects, so less gaming and more being

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The origins of the "community" as we know it align with the rollout of the commercial internet, i.e. the 1990s.

Things have become much more simplified since then. It's a lot easier to understand women faster now with all the information that's out there. The fact that there are a lot more people giving advice helps. Some people can't take guys who paint their nails and wear furry top hats seriously.

It's changed a lot. Basically, shifted from "Do all these things to that women will think you are attractive" to "Self-improve and actually become attractive".

All in all, The Game is crap. Mystery Method is also crap. If you're looking for a distracting read, sure, go for it. It's not exactly bad to have some of their concepts in the back of your head, but as always, if you want what I - and many others - consider to be the Flagship of modern day pickup, read Models by Mark Manson.

I'd get the audiobook if I were you. Mark reads it himself, so it adds a lot more perspective.

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I think people forget that the Game is a story; a character starts at a certain place, has a journey and ends up in a different place/becomes a different person in the end. When you watch a movie and the protagonist is an asshole for most of it, X happens to him and by the end hes a better person....the movie ISN'T telling you to be an asshole. That's the Game. By the end, Style is saying that most of it is unnecessary, and he's gotten what he wants out of the process. Even in the beginning, he talks about having to work out, tan, fix his body language, learn how to get better in bed, fix his style. Same shit you'd see the "new" PU books saying improve your looks like its new. I never get how people always act like all he said was wear dress crazy.

Jist of the book:

A man fed up with his love life improves himself physically and intellectually.

He GETS OUT OF HIS HOUSE and gets ALOT of experience with women to do so.

He doesn't just follow others people advice and moves; he actually DISCOVERS things that work for HIMSELF.

He shows the negative effects of not living a complete well rounded life and uses Mystery's terrible depression as an example to do so

At the end he discovers that he didnt need the routines; it was about becoming an attractive man comfortable with himself.

Terrible lessons right? So improve yourself, hit the field, think for yourself, live a complete life and become an attractive male. Yeah, pickup really has changed.

Sure, there are probably a ton of books that will tell you these things, but the Game has it all if you dont miss Style's points. It's a story. If I tell you a story about me being a crackhead for years then discovering whats important in life and how to live life well, if you focus on becoming a crackhead, thats on you for missing the point of the story.

I'll say it...If I had to recommend ONE book, I'd recommend the Game.Or even MM. Because as long as both tell you to hit the field alot, and tell you to think for yourself, you're gold. You'll find your style. Whether that is to be honest and direct, or social and indirect. Whether you'll be a master at fucking chicks from displaying your intentions early, or a master of fucking chicks from socializing with groups and building sexual tension with one of the girls. Some guys want to be able to open a chick and just be honest. Some want to joke around with her friends and flirt and they have fun doing that. As long as a book is telling you think for yourself and get the reps, I support it.

Has the community changed? Yes, its gotten worse. Back when the old school shit was popular, there weren't a million threads on how to get this chick who friendzoned me. It wasn't a million threads on should I say Happy Bday to chick? Why? Because guys were being pushed more to go out and try shit. Guys were meeting so many chicks, even if they were doing creepy routines that they didnt care. They werent trying to be Tinder warriors. If you tell a guy heres this routine, now go out and practice it 100 times, he gets out of the house. If you tell a guy just be honest, he stays home and is honest with his coworker and women in his vicinity. The routine guy meets more women. The honest guy gets oneitis. Say what you want about the old school shit, it pushed getting the reps in heavily.

Newschool pushes reps just as heavily, minus the creepy robotic one liners.

Fundamentals hardly changed, tech did. Tinder-warrioring can never compare to real life interaction. Meeting people on the internet shifted from taboo to trend.

In the old days you actually had to have at least some balls to approach a total stranger and let words fly, and also deal with the "public embarrassment" of being rejected in front of everyone spectating.
On the internet however, you get rejected, delete the conversation and nobody has to know ever about it. It makes it easier for weaker men to test the waters. That's why you see such influx of retarded threads.

I still think The Game is bullshit. You can hide a few good concepts in a bucket of shit, or you can properly lay them out in an understandable, coherent and relatable form.

You can achieve a goal by doing it wrong, or you can achieve it by doing it right in half the time.

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The Game was never a How To guide honestly. It's more like a "gateway" to this community. Without it, this whole community including this forum wouldn't exist.

The problem with most guys who aren't into this stuff is that they have no clue what needs to be done to get girls. Personally I kept wandering for more than 3 years searching for answers as to "What those guys have that I don't ". The Game just opens your eyes and gives you an "inside view" of a PUA's life.

And surprisingly the great PUAs of modern world came into this by reading The Game and as per RSD Julien's words "It opened my eyes". So that's what it does, opens your eyes. You should expect nothing more. But without it, you wouldn't even be thinking about changing your life.

As for your answer, yes its changed because in 90s, people didn't play video games on Xbox so they had their shit together to a certain degree. Now situation is so worse that you have to teach them to get basics done first.

It's like in 90s the coach told the footballer to practise shooting, dribbling, how to tackle etc. But now all they teach is "Be physically fit".

** in before I get bashed by Dragula **

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How game has changed... It has gone from being purely technical and having a fake front towards becoming the real thing. However, the techniques from the past (Mystery Method) are still valid to some degree if you look at them as behaviors instead of techniques, and try to find the right attitude that makes you behave that way. Even negs are still a working and valid concept if used right, at the right time and to the right (or rather wrong) girl. I say "wrong girl" because those girls who need negs are not worthy any attention to begin with.

A lot of good information has started evolving into garbage.

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