Hi guys, I would like to know your opinion on the importance of game vs status in a social setting: workplace, school, amongst friends etc.

Is it 30% vs 70%? 50:50? 80:20?

Much of the seduction community is built on advice & structure to get results on the largely defined pool of WOMEN.

But general dynamics change for an example if there are plenty of rich and successful men (and yes arriving where they are would mean they have natural confidence) in your company, or a jock in your class who gets all the attention.

It's too subjective

A Club promoter could be very high percentile compared to a manager of waitress's in a restaurant.

Use both game and status too your advantage. As well as everything else

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Both are just as important. You should work for both status and "improving your game."

Be a fucking powerhouse.

High value males will find themselves in high status positions in all areas of life. They will consistently challenge themselves and excel at whatever it is they set out to do and usually have a plethora of options of females around them because of this.

Weak chodey guys will never be able to compete and live their lives in scarcity. They they will end up in low rank positions and usually never excel in anything that is attractive to the opposite sex. They will probably settle for less than they can get when it comes to their dating lives.

Status is a facet of game. They are not separate things.

If the game is not in you then better focus on the outside value stuff like looks, money, and status. With money and status you'll get a couple of very hot gold diggers. Remember though not to fall in love with them or trust them.

Here is real deal. Girls can literally smell your value (I am not talking about money here). The same way it takes you a half second to decided you want to fuck a certain girl. A woman does the same thing. Don't believe the bullshit that you can MAKE a girl choose you or force her to be attracted to you.

When in you core and bones you KNOW (not believe but KNOW) that bitches aint shit and you are the prize. This statement is not said in a misogyny way but out of love because women desire you to be above them and be their master. She being in your life is her life's biggest achievement the girl will use her status in exchange for some of your value.

Even if you lost all external status the girl will say because the value you provide is all you 100%

It's actually a lot easier to get laid with some really basic "game" than to try to get so much money or such high status that women throw themselves at you...

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A guy who is unafraid to engage women in a charming manner has implicit status in the woman's eyes.

Nice!

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you guys all make valid points.

And they all apply. Thanks for each nugget of wisdom.

Main take away: both matter. But game matters more.

"Game" is also a term that is tossed around like free in these forums, so by game i don't mean a skill set or tricks in your bag. I mean game as:

the efforts of a man to improve his lot in life; to become attractive in his own eyes and the eyes of women.

Here's the thing...

Status isn't magic. It's very rare that status alone makes women want to sleep with you. I mean you have to be a mega movie star, musician with groupies, etc to make that happen. The actual benefit to status is that you can bypass a girl's anti-slut defense with it. When you are a high status man, it becomes socially acceptable to sleep with you. A girl is less likely to be shamed if she hooks up with Bradley Cooper and she is aware of that. So rather than worry about status in that way that you are talking about, focus on presenting yourself in a way that allows a woman to believe it is okay to sleep with you. By that, I mean you just have to be a guy she wouldn't be humiliated by if you two were seen in public together.

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One improves the other. Work on both. They're equally important.

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Status... but that's kind of like asking what's more important, diet or excercise. Why would you not do both?

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The two are not mutually exclusive and are intertwined, your game plan's success is dependent on your status in all regards as a man. You will know for sure if you don't try, you will always fail, and if you do try you can improve your results by practicing and improving upon your approach and what you are presenting.

Think of it like you are trying to sell yourself as a product, not many people would want a beat up old rusted out Ford Taurus for $20,000, but if you throw down a brand new Lamborghini Aventador for $20,000, you would have a line of people wanting to drop the money quick. A good salesman could probably still sell that Taurus with some skill but he would probably have to lower what he was asking for it, the Aventador since it is top of the line will pretty much sell it's self. Keep in mind also at the end of the day, if you don't advertise the cars and what you want for them, you won't get anyone showing up to buy them unless by some miracle someone just randomly asks you to buy the car, and if they do you probably won't get what you wanted for it.