Many guys with girl problems on here talk a lot. On the other hand, a few talk very little. Hence, they get advice to talk like adults. Unfortunately, when the talkative ones see those threads, they begin to think that the same advice applies to them.

Girls LOVE to talk. Once they feel comfortable in your presence and trust you enough, they'll go on and on. Our job as seducers is to ESCALATE while girls are talking; not compete with them as to who talks best. On the other hand, when girls are still not comfortable talking a lot, our job is to make them feel comfortable enough so they can talk a lot.

Yes. I am disagreeing on the major premise of this thread and not so much on the standard fluff.

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I disagree. "It could be worse" is a bullshit self-comfort statement. You appreciate the things you have a constant supply of passively and appreciate those that you have to put diverse degrees of effort into pro-actively.
Everyone appreciates not having to worry about their next meal. They don't run around enthusiastically telling people about it though. Nor should they. Nor should it bring happiness to their lives. "Hey man I can't get laid for the life of me but at least I'm not starving. Ho-fucking-ray".

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You're right. It's not simple as it seems. When a hot woman talks, we instinctively listen with puppy eyes. Moreover, some influential messiahs of seduction here (I'm 100% pretty sure that around 3 of those nagging man bitches are keyboard jockeys) preach that we should listen when a woman talks.

It takes quite a measure of practice and repetitive actions to condition your body to focus on ESCALATION instead of listening when a woman gets the urge to talk non-stop. You eye fuck her. You hold her hands. You massage her shoulder. You blow warm breaths in her ear lobe. You rub your leg against her leg. You rub your elbow on her breast. You rub your hands at her belly just above her pussy area and so on. And most importantly, you shut up.

If approach anxiety is difficult to bust for many of the newbies here, I think busting escalation anxiety is even more difficult. Pebbles/Dragula pointed this out. Since I have minimal approach anxiety, it really improved my game a lot when I have busted my escalation anxiety.

It's a good pattern. When a woman begins to talk incessantly, ESCALATE hard core. Don't be an idiot and show her that you're a better (verbal) communicator than she is.

It's mainly the nonverbals that make us masculine bros. It's the nonverbals.

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Retarded post of the year.

Correct. In order to guide any interaction towards the direction of your choice, you need to first listen and appreciate the other person's values, needs, wants, and fears. It works this way whether you want to sell a used car or you want to ask a girl out on a date. To sit there and ram your shit down to another person while he/she is expressing him/herself is not only inefficient, it's psychotic. You don't rub a girl's thigh while she's talking about her mother's breast cancer. You don't try to push a 100k car on a guy who tells you he just got fired. But in both cases, a little bit of listening, and perhaps a 3 sentence exchange could get you there. This is the difference between the communicator and the wannabe commercial pua jackoff who gets lucky with a deranged chick by rubbing every 6 he sees regardless of the place or circumstamce.

LOL I'm curious as to why you'd say that kasabi

This example is just retarded. A guy who just got fired will NOT shop for a car in a car dealership showroom.

Back on topic.

Nonverbal communication is simply about primal instinct. A baby who cries out loud communicates by crying. Human instinct dictates that an adult will touch the baby to comfort him or her and take action to stop the child from crying either by changing the diaper, feeding the baby or finding out if something is hurting him/her.

It would be psychotic for a human being to just stand there with puppy eyes and listen to the baby cry out loud without doing anything to comfort the baby. Touch therapy works for a reason. It's oxytocin release.

The same holds true for adult women. They need oxytocin. Talking is a way for women to express their feelings. The average guy simply listens with puppy eyes to a hot woman without taking any action to comfort the woman by triggering her oxytocin release mechanism.

I have banged several career women who talked endlessly because they were stressed out at work and at home. I have even banged one who's father just died. It is no coincidence that those massive oxytocin releases via human touches and multiple orgasms calmed them down. ALL of them thanked me later after the hardcore pussy pounding. ALL of them.

Kino escalation is something that the average guy wouldn't do because of escalation anxiety. However, since average guys are too many, guys listening without even touching the woman has become the norm. Does this mean that just because this is the norm then doing the opposite thing is abnormal?

I'll answer that. This is a pick up forum. We represent the minority. Many on here with girl problems don't understand women and still, we have an even fewer minority who understand women who help those who don't.

If someone thinks that touching women and having sex with them is retarded, then he simply does NOT belong in a pick up forum. And it is the height of ignorance to advice guys to over talk women when they are in the mood for talking.

My stand remains the same: When a hot woman is talking incessantly, shut up and escalate. It's good for the human race.

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Animals verbally seduce each other apparently

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It's getting a bit slightly off topic but:

Dehumanising physical escalation as 'molesting women with your hands' is just an exaggeration though haha.

Seduction is a wonderful composition that can be obtained verbally, non verbally, physically etc. So much is happening under the surface - There are lots of ways to skin a cat. but the end goal requires the physical rumpy pumpy I guess...

i forgot the meaning on the OP now...

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i forgot the meaning on the OP now...[/quote]

Isn't ^this the goal of every troll? And the initial point, I think, isn't that physical contact isn't important. It's merely an emphaisis on what so many here seem to neglect.

When ever I see news about some rapist, I can't help to think that had the idiot exchanged 10 sentences prior to rubbing up against the girl, his life would be different. Those who "get it" will get it. Those who don't often never will.

Agreed, Half of those are RSD students I guess.

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Sure. Go ahead. This side comment of yours is off topic though and unrelated to the original thread. The major premise of your thread is oral communication and I laid out points that drowning out a woman with talk when she's in the mood for talking or NOT taking any action to touch the woman while she's talking is counter productive.

Likewise, let the thinking readers think why several thousand physical banks and automated teller machines still exist to this day all over the world.

Follow the forum rules, do your job as moderator, stop getting personal, and focus on the merits and demerits of the topic. If a topic is all about the pros and no discussion of the cons at all, then this thread does not belong in the Lounge. Theories get challenged all the time. What makes you think that your theory post in the PUA Lounge does not deserve a challenge from anyone and a proper defense from your end?

So you just want us all to stroke your ego and not say that this idea or premise is just plain counter-productive to pick up.

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Lol... so this is the retail bank picker upper!... I remember that. Possibly the most retarded post of this forum's history. Actually worse than the Vegas guy and even the 38 year old's 3 years of self mockery. To the village idiot: you haven't challenged the op's post. You disregarded and ignored it, and then injected your only imaginary idea of pick up... the rub rub.

... and you've expanded upon your bank - pick up lounge fantasies to SPAM machine kiosks. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound? Stop blaming your lonlieness on others and consider that you are possibly the least socially aware retard of any social group who tests everybody's tolerance for pain.

To others reading. Chicken or the egg? There is no way to know whether this idiot ignores the World around him and fabricates his own "reality" because he is a village retard or whether he is a village retard because he ignores the World around him and fabricates his bs... but it doesnt matter. One feeds the other. It is absolutely too late for this knucklehead but anybody who can sense this vicious cycle in him should consider a full stop and and a change of direction.

This supposed theory thread in the Lounge is now grossly off topic and has turned into a name-calling, flame thread.

It's ironic that the supposed proponents of 'wit' cannot hold an intellectually mature discussion nor cite sensible examples to support ridiculous claims. I refuse to participate in flaming. I'm done with this.

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