Hi folks - I already have my opinion on this one but was wondering what people thought had bigger pulling power - looks or confidence ? If you could only have one of these which would it be ? I have some very good looking friends and they often get attractive girls coming up to them and introducing themselves to them - on the other hand - you often see average looking guys with above average looking females. What plays a bigger roll on getting women in your opinion - looks or confidence ?

Both.

The female mind is a weird thing. A guy who is beautiful to look at, can instantly turn a woman off with things like shitty confidence or a horrible voice.

Looks don't really mean a lot as long as you're at least average (wait before you reply):

You don't have to be good looking, but you have to look good. Take good care of yourself, wear clothes that really compliment you and look clean.

It's not hard to look good, so I'd go with confidence any day. I know good looking guys who get no pussy. I've got a cousin who is about equal to me in looks, he's fucked over 100 girls in the last 10 years and has spent about 5 years of it in relationships. He's short, doesn't have a great body, and is usually quite dirty from either fixing cars or some kind of extreme sport (he gets girls who are involved with the sport usually) ...his cocky charm works miracles for him. My best friend is good looking but he's very short. He takes great care of himself and is the most confident (edging on arrogant) person I know. He fucked 40 girls last year, and spent 5 months in a relationship lol... so 40 girls in 7 months. None of these guys have ever even heard of "game" ...they're just confident naturals. Oh, the second guy only bangs HOT girls. Girls that almost every guy on this forum would be VERY jealous of. I get a lot of girls, but they're something else with women. Unfortunately both make shit wings.

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Confidence and humor are King IMO. If I could choose to look average and have tons of confidence versus good looking with average confidence I would rather choose to look average with tons of confidence. There are many guys that look average but can just bed women, it's not even funny.

A man with looks and no confidence has a lot tougher time getting laid than a man with tons of confidence and little looks.

Looks aren't completely irrelevant, but it doesn't measure up to self confidence.

This is an ongoing discussion though.

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Why not both? Since when are they mutually exclusive?

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I guess the more looks you have the less confidence you need - i.e. a great looking guy would need minimal confidence as compared to a ordinary looking guy. Probably the further down the looks scale you go the greater the need for great communication skills which is a bit of a paradox as it is alot easier to be confident when you have looks as compared to when you do not. You often see the well built, or the footballers have alot of confidence due to their appearace and stature but the average guy may need to work on himself to get that amount of confidence.

This topic has been done to death I guess. Here is my view with it all...

I find that people only see what they want to see. PUA who can't be arsed getting into an attractive shape because they saw this fat dude with a stunner once upon time. Therefore that backs up their laziness. Totally disregarding that this Shrek character could be some important dude and has the status/power.

I will say is, open your eye's. Take a good look at your type of girl and then take a look at the type of guy she is with. (No homo) Majority of the attractive girls you see with boyfriends are with guys that are on par in terms of looks and on par in terms of confidence. It's a balance. Majority of the girls you will like are with guys that suit them. Focus and take a look at what you see.

So I would say focus on being like one of those guys. Instead of hoping to be the rare Shrek dude that you have no idea of his background.

Not to back up LMS theory, but those are 3 things of many other things that help.

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Good points. I'd just like to add that MOST PEOPLE DO NOT MEET DATE AND FUCK FROM COLD APPROACH. You meet a girl through social circle or work and you have more leeway than the guy who approaches her at a bar. Your looks and confidence need to be on point for cold approach.

Looks (aka physical features) are a funny thing.

If you're exceptionally handsome, then sure, you'll get women throwing themselves at you, even some hot ones. If you're just classically good looking, then you'll still get some women, although these will probably be closer to the average scale.

But if you're not in that top 10-15%, then your physical features probably won't matter that much on a META (wide) scale, unless you're in the BOTTOM 10-15%

I'd say confidence is more important, because if you're not in that 10-16%, looks won't be the determining factor in whether or not you get the girl. It will be confidence, the number of women you approach, and being able to lead them through the correct emotional states.

I know, so jealous of that ginge. She is creme de la creme

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Pretty much this^

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