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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:23 pm 
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Go back earlier in this thread and I already told you how to do this.
I didn't ask for help on how to do this.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:31 pm 
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Here's what happened:

Me: Hang out
Her: Ok. What time?
Me: 8:00 is good.
Her: Ok see you then.
Me: Looking forward to seeing you :)
Her: Looking forward to seeing you too :)

She shows up on time and she seems a little nervous. As soon as she gets comfortable at my house, I say let's go for a walk in the park (moving location and letting her know I am not going to just go for sex). After, we come back to my house and escalate to sex.

She is an angel on the date. There is no mention of the missed contact or the missed date as I expected, and now I have the ability to turn this relationship into any one that I want. After a month, I can:

1. Make this an FB
2. Turn her into an MLTR
3. Turn her into a GF

Depending on my goals, what type of connection, and what type of girl she is will all help decide what type of relationship I would want with her here.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:58 pm 
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Go back earlier in this thread and I already told you how to do this.
I didn't ask for help on how to do this.
That makes me a good samaritan. Judging by your date night, you would be smart to accept help.
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Here's what happened:

Me: Hang out
Her: Ok. What time?
Me: 8:00 is good.
Her: Ok see you then.
Me: Looking forward to seeing you :)
Her: Looking forward to seeing you too :)

She shows up on time and she seems a little nervous. As soon as she gets comfortable at my house, I say let's go for a walk in the park (moving location and letting her know I am not going to just go for sex). After, we come back to my house and escalate to sex.

She is an angel on the date. There is no mention of the missed contact or the missed date as I expected, and now I have the ability to turn this relationship into any one that I want. After a month, I can:

1. Make this an FB
2. Turn her into an MLTR
3. Turn her into a GF

Depending on my goals, what type of connection, and what type of girl she is will all help decide what type of relationship I would want with her here.
Your original statement is that you've already turned her into an MLTR. Are you saying that it really didn't happen? You also take FB off the table because you were reassuring her that you didn't want her just for sex.

You're leaving parts of this story out. You're skipping over time where you erroneously apply your "soft next" strategy. It sounds like she contacted you and asked to hang out that day and you declined and said you guys can hang out the following day. Doesn't it miss its point since you didn't reestablish communications? Doesn't that make you question its effectiveness since she didn't bring it up at all? Most girls that actually care would ask why a guy went no contact when they had no clue. Most women wouldn't say "Hi, Sexy" if they've been trying to contact you for days with no response. There would actually be a message asking about your well being or questioning why you're ignoring them. Or after you said you were just thinking about her, she would have questioned you not responding to her messages.

The only way any you get an outcome like this is if she didn't contact you either. If that's the case, you guys were simply two people that didn't talk for a few days and this whole "soft next" strategy really didn't mean anything. That would also mean your punishment for her flaking on you went unnoticed and the precedent for flaking has been established.

Come on, man. Fill in these holes.

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I am under the impression that hardly any of this is actually happening. Yes, there is a real girl involved, but not at the micro analytics of the dynamic. It's just some poor girl that has no idea what is going on behind the scenes

He just doesn't want Jack to be correct so he tailors each story of his 'Fuck buddy' around Jack's points to make it seem like he isn't right to back up his original points.

Tomorrow, a new tailor'd dynamic will be made from Jack's last reply...

Just say:

'Jack, yeah, you know what you're talking about'

and end this madness already

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:29 am 
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Your original statement is that you've already turned her into an MLTR. Are you saying that it really didn't happen?
This is my bias. I always move girls more towards MLTR rather than FB just because I don't like having just FBs. I like to have more of just a sexual connection with a girl. It could be argued that she wasn't at a true MLTR status before. Like can I can't on her to come for a date yes. Can I get her to bail me out of jail, almost.
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You also take FB off the table because you were reassuring her that you didn't want her just for sex.
As stated before I am always defining the relationship. She can go down or up to a FB if that's where she's at.
Ex: She endangers my life by drinking and driving on a date. I would never be an MLTR with that girl, but she can always come over just to fuck.
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You're leaving parts of this story out. You're skipping over time where you erroneously apply your "soft next" strategy. It sounds like she contacted you and asked to hang out that day and you declined and said you guys can hang out the following day. The only way any you get an outcome like this is if she didn't contact you either. If that's the case, you guys were simply two people that didn't talk for a few days and this whole "soft next" strategy really didn't mean anything.
This might all just be true. I wish I was leaving parts of this out.
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Doesn't it miss its point since you didn't reestablish communications? Doesn't that make you question its effectiveness since she didn't bring it up at all?
Not really. The important part is a got a girl who is really into me and the relationship can be anything I want it to be. Do I think she will flake on me like she did before? She won't. That's effective enough for me.
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Most women wouldn't say "Hi, Sexy" if they've been trying to contact you for days with no response.
The content of this message surprised me too.
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There would actually be a message asking about your well being or questioning why you're ignoring them. Or after you said you were just thinking about her, she would have questioned you not responding to her messages.
This was exactly what I thought when I first started doing things like a soft next. Truth is, it never comes up.

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Your original statement is that you've already turned her into an MLTR. Are you saying that it really didn't happen?
This is my bias. I always move girls more towards MLTR rather than FB just because I don't like having just FBs. I like to have more of just a sexual connection with a girl. It could be argued that she wasn't at a true MLTR status before. Like can I can't on her to come for a date yes. Can I get her to bail me out of jail, almost.
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You also take FB off the table because you were reassuring her that you didn't want her just for sex.
As stated before I am always defining the relationship. She can go down or up to a FB if that's where she's at.
Ex: She endangers my life by drinking and driving on a date. I would never be an MLTR with that girl, but she can always come over just to fuck.
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You're leaving parts of this story out. You're skipping over time where you erroneously apply your "soft next" strategy. It sounds like she contacted you and asked to hang out that day and you declined and said you guys can hang out the following day. The only way any you get an outcome like this is if she didn't contact you either. If that's the case, you guys were simply two people that didn't talk for a few days and this whole "soft next" strategy really didn't mean anything.
This might all just be true. I wish I was leaving parts of this out.
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Doesn't it miss its point since you didn't reestablish communications? Doesn't that make you question its effectiveness since she didn't bring it up at all?
Not really. The important part is a got a girl who is really into me and the relationship can be anything I want it to be. Do I think she will flake on me like she did before? She won't. That's effective enough for me.
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Most women wouldn't say "Hi, Sexy" if they've been trying to contact you for days with no response.
The content of this message surprised me too.
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There would actually be a message asking about your well being or questioning why you're ignoring them. Or after you said you were just thinking about her, she would have questioned you not responding to her messages.
This was exactly what I thought when I first started doing things like a soft next. Truth is, it never comes up.

Any other questions? Or can we all start learning game with an open mind?
Believe me, I have an open mind. At the same time, my mind comes with experience and a sense of reality.

There have been women in my past that I didn't feel like talking to anymore. Instead of saying, "I'm not interested anymore", I would just cut off contact. When I did cut contact, there would be calls. Sometimes a girl would pop up at my home and I wouldn't answer the door. It was the equivalent of what you are describing of what you did with your soft next on this girl except I had no intentions of contacting them again. The girls I'm speaking of weren't aware of any problems, just as the girl you are talking about. After 3 or 4 days, I'd change my mind and decided that I did want to talk to them again. Each and every time, each and every girl all had the same question. "Why weren't you returning my calls?" From the perspective of the girls I'm talking about and the girl that you are talking about, they had done nothing wrong so I had no reason to ignore them.

When you tell us that girls never question it, any guy that has experience with women knows that what you're saying is horseshit.

Again, we are back at you being a fictional player and you keep digging the hole deeper. I can't imagine why you said that you see the error that I was pointing out in your "soft next" routine. The same routine that you have extensively tested and it always works and "she is an angel" afterwards. Why would you say that there is an error in something that never fails?

@PEBBLE. You were right.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:06 am 
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BTW...here's a screenshot from the guy who you reference when it comes to doing a soft next. Even he gets asked by women why they get ignored and he gives them a warning before he does a soft next. Strange that from all of your extensive field testing that this never comes up.
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The girls I'm speaking of weren't aware of any problems, just as the girl you are talking about. After 3 or 4 days, I'd change my mind and decided that I did want to talk to them again. Each and every time, each and every girl all had the same question. "Why weren't you returning my calls?" From the perspective of the girls I'm talking about and the girl that you are talking about, they had done nothing wrong so I had no reason to ignore them.
This is exactly right. They did as you said, "nothing wrong" and therefore had to find out what they did wrong. The girl in my situation, the girls before her, knew that they had done something wrong-they didn't need me to tell them what that was therefore they didn't ask.

Women are very intuitive and pick up on often pick up on non-verbal communication better than direct literal communication.
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When you tell us that girls never question it, any guy that has experience with women knows that what you're saying is horseshit.
Lol if there wasn't truth in all of this you wouldn't be so invested in "exposing" me to everyone on here.
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After 3 or 4 days, I'd change my mind and decided that I did want to talk to them again.
Since we are pointing out a lack of experience, this is how you mess up a relationship. A lack of definiteness on a man will lead to confusion and typically drama in a relationships. Again, as a man you lead the relationship. It also signals that you had a lack of other options and could settle for the girl you had been seeing before, since you had waffled. I have found the respectful thing to do in any situation where you want to get rid of the girl and she will actually care such as these is to tell her.

But I am not here to find cracks in the armor, only to share my experience so those can gain from it.

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Oh look. More fiction game.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:40 pm 
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This is exactly right. They did as you said, "nothing wrong" and therefore had to find out what they did wrong. The girl in my situation, the girls before her, knew that they had done something wrong-they didn't need me to tell them what that was therefore they didn't ask.
You've said that this girl wouldn't have known that she's done something wrong. This is where you found the error. The part where you realized that you should have said "not cool!" instead of "no worries". The part that you say that it'll make her wonder and have to think about what she did wrong.
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Women are very intuitive and pick up on often pick up on non-verbal communication better than direct literal communication.
Women remember what you say. Attraction is lost and replaced with distrust when your words don't match your actions at any level of any relationship. Your words with this girl do not match your actions.
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Lol if there wasn't truth in all of this you wouldn't be so invested in "exposing" me to everyone on here.
You've already exposed yourself to everyone when you performed mind reading in another thread. You've exposed yourself when you said that you had an error in your technique that always works. You've exposed yourself when you added psychic game and stated that this girl will never flake again. My issue with you is that there are going to be noobs that read this and think what you say would work when all you do is read someone else's stuff and incorrectly apply it, call it field tested extensively, and say it always works. You don't even account for the original author of your thread saying that he gives 1 or 2 quick warning before applying a soft next. You don't account for the original author stating that this is done when a woman is causing drama. You don't account for how the original author says the women do ask why they've been ignored and you say it never happens.

I'm like that one guy who said that if the mods ever give bullshit advice, he'll expose it (paraphrasing).
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Since we are pointing out a lack of experience, this is how you mess up a relationship. A lack of definiteness on a man will lead to confusion and typically drama in a relationships. Again, as a man you lead the relationship. It also signals that you had a lack of other options and could settle for the girl you had been seeing before, since you had waffled. I have found the respectful thing to do in any situation where you want to get rid of the girl and she will actually care such as these is to tell her.

But I am not here to find cracks in the armor, only to share my experience so those can gain from it.
This is something that you say that I definitely agree with. That's why I'm glad that I found the seduction community. It helped me fix things like that and pointed out my errors in thinking. And even after fixing that, I was like you and still doing things wrong (as I've already stated). The reason I mentioned that stuff is exactly what you pointed out, it lacks definiteness and leads to confusion. This right here lacks definiteness:
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Doing a soft-next is effective in this same way because it lets her find her own answer. Why hasn't he talked to me in three days? Was it something I did? Extensively field tested.
Then again, this is why I keep saying you're fictional:
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The girl in my situation, the girls before her, knew that they had done something wrong-they didn't need me to tell them what that was therefore they didn't ask.
You can't have it both ways. You've extensively field tested them wondering if they've done wrong and then saying that they know they did something wrong.

Like I said, it's not me exposing you. You're exposing yourself.

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Lol can't say I'm going to read any of that. If you have anything positive to contribute to these posts, let us know!

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Lol can't say I'm going to read any of that. If you have anything positive to contribute to these posts, let us know!
Of course you can't say it, but you did read it.

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Oh look. More fiction game.
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Here's what its all about.


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Who SMS's these days? Lol

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