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Again, you could go for the fatties and get laid every night. Sounds like that you will be happy with that

I could get laid 4 times a day if I wanted the Rancid ugly girls

Yes, you have been out. You sit at the bar alone and have small talk with the bartenders that have to be nice to you. Is this the pinnacle of it all?

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Okay now that you mention it, all this Lamborghini stuff sounds like a bunch of narcissism. Something like that "False Confidence" mentioned in that Models book.

But I'll give an example. I went out last night but didn't get there until the bars were almost closed. There was one girl sitting with some friends at the bar. She said how she always wore a ring on her finger to stop guys from hitting on her and she wasn't even all that hot in the first place. She wasn't ugly, but there were definitely at least 500 hotter girls in a 10 mile radius. Then, she got up, drunk, couldn't find her phone, found it, and asked the bouncer for a ride home because she was too drunk. The bouncer explained to her that he couldn't give her a ride home and that she should call a cab. Then, her friends helped her half-stumble to where they would get a cab.

And what would happen if I approached a girl in a bar? I would probably say some weak shit and all my ego would deflate in about 2 seconds. Then, I would go back to thinking about all the stuff I've read in all the books and how that has not helped me one bit with knowing how to have a natural conversation or to display to these girls that having me a part of their life would be worthwhile at all. I still don't know what I have to offer anyone.

When I go out, by 1 AM, I see guys on the dance floor with girls they just met with tongues in their mouths, going for more, and the girl playfully stops their hand from going up their skirt. I can't even imagine myself getting to that point with a girl at a bar. LET ALONE A GIRL FEELING COMFORTABLE ENOUGH WITH ME TO EVEN GET ANYWHERE CLOSE. KEEP IN MIND THAT I GIVE OFF A SERIAL KILLER VIBE. I have actually been kicked out of 2 bars in the past few months because the female staff feared for their safety. Nothing specific that I did, just a vibe I gave off.

I'm just hoping that when this fattie comes over, there's not too much awkwardness before we have sex. And what good will it do me to have sex with her? None. Nothing long term. Other than the fact that I wake up with an erection every day so I need to put it somewhere.

When I go out, I see a bunch of hot girls. I don't know how to show to them that I am worth their time, let alone to want to have sex with me. I can't even go up to them and say "hello" at this point. Best I can do it "situational" and "functional" openers like.... does this place have a cover? and that's the most conversation I will have all night.

I have a friend who goes out all the time and I always see him talking to girls every time. He tells me to hit him up so we can go out but I'm scared that I'm going to look like a fool. All I ever talk about is real estate, and that did impress some people for a while telling that I'm going to be the next Donald Trump or whatever...

And I know I've talked about this 1000 times, but when I bring my work with me... for example, if I sit at a bar during the day time and handle my business, talking to lenders, dealing with tenants, maintenance people, etc.... I have seen it draw some attention. The other day I was at Starbucks talking on the phone to an insurance company about insuring a Lamborghini for commercial use (to rent out) and girls at a neighboring table overheard and I saw them looking at me when I would walk in and out of the place, although this could have been just mental masturbation.

As far as any sort of empathetic conversation.... the best I can do is "how is your day going?" when I first see someone, then..... trails off...... (because do I really care of am I just trying to feign empathy)....

Also, sometimes if I say the littlest thing to someone, they will think I am bothering them, like the other day I am smoking a cigarette and so is the girl 3 seats down and I say "this stuff is so bad for you, I don't know why anyone does it," and she says something to the effect of a non-comment then looks for her friends.

Although I have had a moment of brilliance here and there over the past few months.

Dragula mentioned that he went out for 6 months before getting a fat girl to go home with him. I actually realized that I have done about 4 months of this. Granted, mine involved very little talking. I talk here and there and there are a fair amount of people that know me down town.

I hate trying to impress girls that think their value is more than it actually is just because they're "hot" (or even slightly good looking) so they have their nose in the air and it just pisses me off to deal with people like that.

And what sucks is that I'm starting a new job that I actually have to work 40 hours, so I can't devote my whole life to it, so when I go out now, I will just have to take whatever I can get. Or more so than before.

And a lot of times when I go out, I will end up talking to guys because I can just relax and talk about what I want to talk about. When I even so much as look a girl in the eye, I just think "sex sex sex," so I can't relax. I have to think about displaying high value, trying to impress her, etc.

Obviously I would want quality women. And notice how you said "nice wife," as in "a relationship." Which, in other people's posts have been described as a sexless hellhole where you wash someone's car.

But I will still probably empty my balls in that fat girl. Oh well. I used to turn down sex when I was younger. Not anymore.

Also, you said "like me for me." Well who am I? As of right now, I'm a delusional narcissist who is extremely self-centered and lacks any sort of real empathy for anyone else. I recently read something online about why some people can't stand "shy" people and it said that shy people only talk to people when they need something, and that is why they are in fact selfish. I used to be (and still am) shy. But I am also extremely selfish. And this is where we get back to working on personality and still trying to figure out what value, if any, I actually have to offer anyone.

I do plan to build a large business some day, but I don't want to find my wife that way. I want someone that would like me either way. But I would have to work on the ME that they should like... AND.... I know that probably most of my inability to approach someone is that maybe I don't have very much good to say. The problem may be my personality that will be exposed after talking for a second or two. A whole can of worms of issues would come up in a split second that possibly would drive any woman away. There is probably a reason why I have gone out for 4 months and haven't even learned a single person's name.

Who the fuck would want me in the first place? I can at this point think of nothing I have to offer anyone except perhaps some extremely desperate, depressed, or lonely girl.

I think I may have issues that are incurable and that really sucks. If you know anything about the field of mental health, you know that personality disorders are generally permanent.

That puppy picture sounds like a really stupid idea now. That sounds like a narcissist trying to be manipulative. Be real? I don't even know what that is. I look in the mirror and see someone cold and calculating. Not someone WARM that someone would want to relate to even for a second, let alone in a domestic situation... let alone to have children with (unless I had millions of dollars, which to me sounds like my only chance at reproduction)...

Want to hear something? My stepdad just died of lung cancer. I watched him take his last breaths. Everyone else in the room was crying. I shed a tear or two at the funeral, but not near as much as everyone else. I remember thinking, "what the fuck is wrong with me? Why can't I feel even the least bit sad?"....

Wait!!! I know!!! I'll give someone the "jealous girlfriend opener" and ask her if she likes magic tricks!!!!! Then, I'll elicit her values and ask if she wants to come over to see my collection of exotic seashells!!!

Come to think of it, I don't think copying what you write is the best thing to do. If I'm trying to "keep it real," why would I copy someone else. Keep it real would be = "I am a psycho delusional narcissist and I am probably incapable of having a relationship and not necessarily even sure that I want one. I would probably have sex with you, though, and it would involve no emotional connection at all and it would be awkward before and after and it may or may not even be that good."

I do feel sorry you. I know nothing about mental problems and I do feel that you hang around here to vent and we are all therapists for you.

As I said, I don't have your mental health. I can only tell you what worked for me (and a lot of other people)

If you don't have to the balls to try it on women and let your results self correct that negative crap going through your brain. Then there is not much you can do. I highly advise you pay for a real life coach. But I feel that he will just be a therapist. Just like Physival trainers are more therapist than trainers.

You don't want to learn, you don't want to try. What more can we do for you???

Every defeatist thinks their situations are unique and uncurable. But it's just being lazy.

If you're not willing to chat girls up wuth cold approach, I think you should stop wasting everybody's time here. Getting rejected off munters on tinder is not what this community is all about

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Just look how far down this is on the topics list. Its comes after every section that has anything to do with picking up women. Even after "Lay Reports" which would technically be the last pick up section. "Sealing the deal". Take that as a metaphor.

From this point on, I won't be speaking to you until you have at least 100 new approaches under your belt. All written about and documented.

"Redstars 100 new approaches thread" I'll click that or something like it.

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Agreed. I promise to send Eddie F - $50 if I reply to redstar again until he has at least (non defeatist) 100 approaches

*shakes hand*

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Delete those pictures, if you are trying to get girls don't take selfies and to make it worse don't do it in a car, that's as bad as a mirror selfie.

Ask a friend or stranger to take a picture for you or use a tripod and a timer. You need at least 1 clear head shot and 1 full body picture. If you are doing an action picture playing a sport/etc make sure your face is visible.

Haha you're ruthless bro but tell it like it is. But you're right, I took your advice on another thread and started to see results. Thanks for that

Who said I wasn't trying to learn. I wouldn't even be here in the first place.

What do you think about going shirtless, even in a pool?

What do you think about my new Tinder pictures?

Also, Eddie Fews said that the follow up conversation on Tinder is what is more important. What is your guys usual follow up conversation like?

And do you regularly hook up with girls whose profile says "not here for hookups?"

Anyone who would still reply to my posts would be greatly appreciated.

Anyone with half a brain can see that this is not trolling, and that there is substance to what I'm saying.

Oh and by the way, to Dragula using the word "ork," he sent me a picture one time of a girl he hooked up with and she was no supermodel. She wasn't ugly, but i wouldn't call her hot, either. Maybe a 6.

What do you think of this Tinder conversation:

(her profile said "respond with your eye color" and she said she is looking for a theme park buddy)..

Me: Blue. What's yours?
Her: Hazel how are you
Me: Good. You?
Me: Want to go to Disney World? I haven't been there since I was 5.
Her: Yea but my pass expired :/
Me: So what are you saying?
Me: We can't go?
Me: Want to just stay in with some ice cream then?
Her: We can go but I doubt you'll pay for me
Me: Why? I look like a cheapskate?
Me: I'm also a total pussy when it comes to rollercoasters.
Me: They scare me.
Me: (after a break of no conversation) You have really nice hair. What kind of shampoo do you use?




I think it basically ended.

I'm not going to be asking for help with every single conversation that I have.... but can you see patterns or things that I'm doing wrong? What would you have done better? What would you have said or not said?

How would you have handled it?

Did you even bother reading my texting guide?

Look at your reply / hers ratio. You write 6 times and she does so once. Not to mention it's all over the place.

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Now I'll read it. Plus, I was hopped up on energy drinks.

One thing, after reading the book Models that still doesn't make sense...

If you become less invested in the opinions of women in order to get them, but you are doing that just to get them. So, always, in the back of your mind, you must know what you are doing. That you are still doing it to get women, right?

Otherwise, why would any of us go out or be on a forum like this in the first place.

I can invest in myself. I can make myself look good for the sake of looking good for myself, but that just turns me into Narcissus who stares at his reflection all day and pretends he doesn't care what the women of the world think of him.... which was described as apathy in that book.

Good book, by the way... definitely the best one I've read so far.

Makes that Neil Strauss look like a joker. And makes Mystery look like a clown.