Every sign points to platonic friendship here, man.

She is not interested.

You didn't identify yourself as a sexual option when you first met her (said it yourself). You wanted to be her friend, so that's what you got.

If she's flat out rejecting every advance you're making, getting out of that position may be tougher than you think. That is to say, she isn't interested in you and is probably not attracted to you.

Find other girls. Game them (and identify yourself as a romantic option from the get-go this time!)...

How do you do that? Flirt, touch, escalate, tease ...

Hug close? Why is this something we're tolerating as a term?

No woman rejects kino if you do it properly. Escalation is supposed to be gradual. I mean it's in the name. It can be soft or aggressive but it has to be gradual none-the-less. But if you're all over the place like first you try a hug and then you land your hand on her leg you're just trying to skip steps.

You got yourself in the friendzone and trying to escape it is hardly worth the effort.


Hug close.. really.

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LMAO!!! Exactly - be aggressive and pull the trigger when it comes time in any situation, whatever that appropriate trigger is at any given time.

Drop her and move on.

Continuing to chase a woman running away will slowly wear down your self esteem. Lessening your ability to make progression when its time to deal with the next girl. When you walk away without actually "having" to you build your self esteem increasing your ability to make progression when the next girl is up.

Lets not get too caught up in the moment. There will be more girls without a shadow of a doubt. Their just aren't any now because you're clinging.

The biggest problem I find in this community is that guys expend all of their options with every girl that semi hook. This drains them, and leaves them playing "Catch up seduction" with every women they come across from then on. Learn to walk away. Learn to walk and then ask for advice on attracting a new girl.

You have to build your frame if you want to succeed in this. Some guys naturally have a high self esteem for one reason or another. I was one of those guys, but I fell from grace and had to rebuild myself back up again. You have to learn to let go. In my opinion, that single tool will help you more than anything else you'll come across.

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Thanks for all the comments/input from my all colleagues.

I suppose you are right, I might just keep her on the shelf as a friend, and keep meeting more girls.

First , the whole hug close:

I am just saying that I wanted to go in for a hug, and she keeps pulling away ( what type of close should you be aiming for on the first date? a kiss?)

Don't expect too much from me, yes I am honest to admit that I am an AFC , I am not pimps like you guys. I do have a lot to learn about this game still, despite all I have read about it.

Desperation is one of my problems, which i have to address and solve. I am also not the most confident person (I hope no one uses this against me in the future)

But I am working out, and losing my fear of approaching girls (the fact I got dates with this girl are successes in themselves). Going to get a new clothing look too (black cowboy boots earrings etc).

I think I will focus mostly on ugly/average looking chicks.....just for practice until my game improves.

I am ready to put the work in to make progress and move in a NUDE ERECtION (New Direction)

Yeah I am practicing Ross Jeffries lol.

Btw she was one of the most ugliest girls I've seen lol yeah go ahead and laugh.

Well I am glad to be part of this community and look forward to the advice I will be receiving.

Thank you once again!!

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Yes. Well no. You could be going out with a girl and have her down to sex you. But if you're aiming for a kiss, you're getting a kiss while you could be getting more. Make sense?
So aim for the stars. Test the waters, keep escalating and push your limits. You'll eventually get a feel for these things. Point is, be bold. Playing it safe is actually the high risk move, even though it's counter intuitive.

As a sidenote, never go for the kiss at the end of the date. Avoid that awkward, unnecessary clichee. Do it during, at a highpoint. When you're having the most fun and when your escalation made is so it's the next natural step.
Yes I expect much from you. I expect much from any guy landing on these forums. Hug close is not acceptable. High expectations lead to quality results.
That's good. Except for the last part. Don't go all crazy with peacock theory. Mystery and whoever may have though they looked good, but they looked like clowns. Get new clothes. Get fitting clothes that actually make you stand out as an attractive guy. It's incredibly easy considering most guys dress like shit. You don't need cowboy boots or magician hats. Just a hint of style.
If you're an absolute newbie at basketball, how do you think you'll learn best? Playing in the amateur leagues with other newbies, or with the pros?
When you play with the pros you have no choice but to learn. The environment will condition you on it's own. Granted your failures will be ten times more intense and occur 10 times as often, but your progress will be 10 times faster as well.
Choose whichever you wish, but I suggest the second.
Don't. He's a tool.
I won't bash you if you go for fat chicks because you love fat chicks. I'll bash you if you go for fat chicks because you think you're not worthy of more.


I'd say you have a good attitude. If you want to read pickup material, step aside from the bullshit and read Models by Mark Manson. Better yet get his audiobook, he reads it himself.
Once you're done with that you might consider No More Mr Nice Guy. Those 2 books encompass all you ever need to know.

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Thank you for your detailed advice and opinions.

About being bold and keep escalating>>

[*] wouldn't that creep her out really fast?
also at which points should I escalate? the high points? after she laughs hysterically at one of my jokes?

Let me ask you a question: Think of the past 10 first dates you have been on...... did you get a kiss close on every single one? or more than 6 of them?

I am just curious as to why you think Ross Jeffries is a tool? Since most regard him as a pioneer in the PUA community.

Have a nice day.

DJ

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What do you understand by escalating? It can be anything from holding eye contact to increase sexual tension to touching her lower back as to guide her inside a venue. Creeping her out is when you nothing but have awkward conversations for 2 straight hours and then out of no where lunge in to kiss her at the end of the date.

Escalating makes it so that a kiss is the next natural step. If there's any way to not be creepy about it, this is it. The idea of it is to have her comfortable with you/your touch.

Yes, I kiss closed on all the past 10 first dates. And you will too once you understand that a kiss/sex is not a prize she holds and you have to earn. You feel like that now because you put women above you. You need them to fill a hole in your life.

Jeffries may be a pioneer but so was Mystery or Style. That doesn't mean that 10 years later their methods / advice are nor should be applicable or followed. PUA at first revolved around getting women. Doesn't matter how you do it, as long as you get them. Nowadays it's evolved into something much greater and it focuses on developing yourself and building an awesome life so that women will come to you as a natural side-bonus. A nice bonus to have, but a bonus none the less.

Read the books I've mentioned.

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Are there any good threads, or websites on escalating? I would like to read them

Yes I did search this site..

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Not to sound like an old fuddy duddy (Yes I just used that term!) but you sound pretty young yourself. If she's inexperienced she may just not be ready for too much physical escalation. My suggestion is to get her to have FUN - pull her into an activity that is fun, enjoyable, and then with those positive emotions running you'll be less likely to have your kino rejected.

Whose young? me? trust me I am probably amongst the older members in this thread.


I am just extremely inexperienced in the opposite sex.

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As illustrated by the use of the term "hug close" - LOL.

Just giving you a hard time, man.

How old are you, out of curiosity?

If she has hot friends then sure keep it cool and ask
her to introduce you to her friends

If her friends like you, she will find you more attractive
and will help you get out of the friend zone

If not, use her as preselection to get other chicks

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Hi Charles,

I noticed you live in Toronto, thats not too far from me; you should come down to Kitchener sometime and come clubbing with us (Yes Ill buy you a few beers and pay your cover), I'd like to see a pro in action, and hopefully learn some skills.

I met up with a guy on here from Waterloo, and we had a good time at various establishments.

PM me if you are interested.

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