I read a ton of posts on this forum about indirect gaming. Most of what I read was just not good but, at the same time some other guys I respect on this forum use this as their preferred method for pick up.

I've discovered through hundreds and hundreds of interactions that I just have the most success (least resistance) when I just go direct. If I go indirect, now all of a sudden I have to invent some sort of fake conversation thing to kick things off. That brings me to another thing I get a little disgusted reading about here.

Openers. Sure they serve a purpose, but it's just adding an unnecessary step to where you want to be. Unless something is situational and relevant, I don't use them.

I don't use routines either. Too gimmicky and try hard. I usually just say hi and follow it up with whatever I want. If I get to a hook point, I can start the screening, close and move on.

I do this with texting to. I never have text conversations unless they are sexual in nature. I don't ask ?s and I don't ever give straight answers unless it's arranging a date related.

People come to me for advice. I give it to them trying to help out. Then they argue or say I want to do this BEFORE I follow THAT. Well my question at this point becomes, if you want THAT right now, why are you adding all these other unnecessary steps where you might fuck it up?

For people who want what I got (fucking a married HB who has a bf by only texting her) why don't you just do as I do?
For you indirect PUAs, I like learning in case I'm missing out but, what advantage have you found by going indirect?

Going indirect to me just seems like beating around the bush. I prefer to just beat the bush.

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Depends on the situation and your intentions. For example, I used an indirect approach today because I wanted to increase my social proof around my school. Of course the girl slapped me with the I have a boyfriend line right at the number close but I slapped her with a cocky remark right back. I texted her when things were hot and keep up my frame. She gives me two texts and is playful with me. Win-Win.


It really is weird for me to explain but I use both simultaneously. It's like a push pull but using indirect and direct game. My mouth is indirect but my body language is direct if you get my drift. It's so weird to explain but it all ends in sex on my part. I have an internal radar for these things. If I feel things are getting too friendly, then I break rapport to slap get them back on track. I don't know how to explain these things. I feel like indirect game is direct game just slower. As you can see, I used indirect game today, but girl still felt I was hitting on her. Either way, number closed and got what I wanted

Edit: ^^^ I think it was my sub communication because I really thought she was fucking cute, lol.

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This is like asking the Navy Seals what the fuck do they need the knife for when they have assault rifles and grenade launchers? http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarm ... eapons.asp

Or we can use this martial arts analogy, why the fuck should I learn ground fighting to fight in the UFC when I'm already good at boxing, kicking, and elbow and knee strikes?

This is the MPUA (Master PUA) Forum. I think it does not make you less of a PUA when you are well rounded in different methods, techniques, approaches or what have you. I still buy PUA products every once in a while-- even the crappy ones when I've already improved tremendously.

Except for Justin Wayne, I think I sarge better than those PUAs who have street game videos in YouTube. I still keep an open mind. I want to be very good at this.

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However, I love direct game at times. Takes a certain boldness to go for it. I think guys love it because it is so versatile and you make yourself vulnerable to rejection right away. Saves time.


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I think it's because a lot of guys believe direct game won't work for them in most situations. The HB9 at the bar is probably getting approached constantly and she's probably already thinking her next excuse when she sees a guy coming towards her out of the corner of her eye. There is a theory that hot girls get approached less because guys are too timid to approach the hot one, personally I don't believe it but I'm not experienced enough to know for sure.

Indirect game is a way of playing it smart, it does not mean the guy has a lack of balls. The best analogy I can think of right now is suppose you were in a boxing class sparring and every time the bell rang you ran towards your opponent with your arms swinging like a maniac. Yeah sure you got balls, but each time you were getting knocked out. The next round you might think to play it smart, hang back a bit let the guy come to you and counter punch. That's probably what a lot of guys are thinking when they are constantly having a figurative door slammed in their face when they approach a woman, maybe it's time to change tack.