So I've been reading a lot about PUA lately, I want to better myself and have the confidence to approach women I don't know and them not to be weirded out. That's the main reason I started looking into this. I don't have a lot of experience of even practicing the techniques I have read.

I have read Mystery Method/The Game and watched a lot of videos from RSD on YouTube. I was just about to go for this, I set out my plan and thought I had enough information to help me, and then a friend of mine told me all this was bullshit. Everything I learnt and read was a scam so I researched it more, and there is a lot of people against pua and claim from experience it's bs, and a money making scam, one guy said he wasted uni experience trying the shit he read, when in reality he just needed to be himself.

Also, I seen an article about the girls the gurus are dating and put it this way none of them are models..

In conclusion, I want to know if this stuff is legit? Has anyone had any actual success? Or is this really just a money making scam aimed towards weak people who will do anything?

If you check around, Mystery gets cute girls.
Not that I suggest his method.

Anyway, truth of the matter is, PUA can get you results if you don't have them. But RSD's promises are crap. You're stuck roughly in your fuck range. You're a 6? You'll get 5-7s. That's just how it is. If you're average looking and want models, gooood luck. PUA ain't gonna get it for you. Especially not in LA, which is PUA central.

Btw, you mention dating. PUA is mostly geared towards picking up random club rats for fucking. Not really what I use it for, but yeah.

And most of the most famous PUAs are absolute shit. Deangelo is awful. Jefferies is awful. Style is not terribly useful and neither is Mystery. Love Systems is also bad.

I'd suggest checking on AFCAdam and Sinn. Maybe Kezia Noble and Post Masculine too. Heard good things about them, though haven't read much material myself. But what I did read was fairly good.

PUA and "be yourself" should not be at odds with each other.

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shit I hope so...either way though I have been taking the "improve yourself first" part pretty seriously so no harm there.

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Versalis no offence but your wrong. You don't have to be a 9 or 10 looks wise to get a 9 or 10...this is a myth and I have seen plenty of average looking guys pull 9's and 10's. Lets be real, your odds are better the better looking you are but looks play a very very small part in over all attraction! Value is all that really matters, and if you don't agree I can point out hundreds of bellow avg men who pick up 9's and 10's regularly. Will it be easy? no but can you do it of course! Unless you are really really ugly there is no reason to worry...

Does pua work? yes this community is a great example of it working, there are thousands of stories on here of guys who have had great success after joining. The ones who don't often didn't put the time in, didn't push them self, and made excuses when they failed instead of learning from their mistakes.

Picking women up is a skill like any other...think of it like a sport, some athletes are naturally gifted, they don't need to work as hard to be good, others are not but put the work in and get to the same level or higher than someone who is naturally gifted....Tom Brady vs Micheal Vick, Tom Brady was a 6th round draft pick, he is un athletic and clumsy, yet he's one of the best QB to ever live! he's also one of the hardest working...see my point? Some guys have to work a little harder but it makes them better, it makes them elite, it drives them.

Cool man I appreciate everyone replying. Tbh I was gutted when I found out that this may not all be so legit, i've heard a lot people saying they wasted time with this shit and it turned them weird and gave less results!

On the other hand, PUAs say they are just butthurt because they didn't put in any effort or were just a weird person to begin with.

I hope the thing about the fuck range is not true, I don't think I will be satisfied just with HB7/8's

My goals for now yes, but in the long run I do in fact want to meet and attract models successfully, i'm living in England/France though not L.A, however I'm sure these types of woman will get hit on wherever

I think I have been focusing too much on the idea of chaning myself to become a PUA, so for now as there's possibility's if its real/fake either way, i'm just gunna use some of the basic PUA info (confidence for approaching etc, some openers) and just take things from there, I've not actually explored how I will do without the PUA information as I never cold approach.

So I will just go and learn first hand, any problems I encounter I can then read up on PUA information or forums to see how other people would go about it. That's the best way to learn right? Not constantly read information and discuss the falseness of it?

What do you think?

Absolutely not, no one here has ever gotten laid due to PUA material. We all just suck each others exhaust because it provides a relaxing interlude between video game sessions and downloading anime porn. But if your asking this question please go to the pua hate forum and dont waste our time her.

You know what mistake people make and why they fail miserably and then blame PUA and try to expose it as a fake - money making system ?

Because they're idiots. They have this idea that PUA and being 'themselves' are polar oposites. They fail because they try to change. The idea is to develop your true potential , not entirely change who you are.


I'm the exact me I was in 2011 when I joined. I haven't changed , I just improved. I learned to express myself better in social situations.

I basically broke the 'fear/social anxiety' barrier that was hiding my inner self from the world. I never tried to change who I was , I only tried to take the dust of so people could see me better.

Yes , I use some openers , some routines and some stories that are not entirely true. But I do it my own way. I give them a touch of MY character.Plus , as Mystery says:"It's not lying , it's flirting".

Also , as you might now, every single successful relationship always starts with a enormous lie. Lying connects the dots. Only then Truth seals them together.

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Relax mate, there's quite a few people supporting either side, so I think coming here to talk about it is fair, no?

to R.C I think that maybe the best way to use pu also, rather than change your personality, just use it as a way to improve yourself, that's what I hope I can do too.

The first time you go out and do this for awhile you will begin to believe that it is fake and that you cant do it but perseverance will prove you wrong. You study and practice the mind and body's emotions, reactions, flaws and tricks long enough and you will start to handle your own and hers often. A mans failure is himself who gives up for being rejected. Think about how teachers, detectives, psychologists etc handle their day to day clients, they have to understand the psychology of people to effectively improve their lives with the skills that they have, same works for attraction and game but instead it taps into the sexual aspects as well as the social aspect of the mind.

Can tell you now, that looks is a surface that is broken through within seconds of an interaction, its certainly not the core of a mans level of value.

Okay, but there's a point to this comment:
Which is that none of us are getting paid for being on here, so if what we're doing is completely useless, then....well, why?

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It's a good question - truth is, there are a lot of scammers out there.

But there is a wealth of honest tips in the PUA community and on the forums that can actually help you, definitely. Examples of the good stuff I learned from PUA? Kino escalation, making her chase you, never looking desperate, being abundant. Reading up on this stuff can offer you a change of mentality, definitely, and that's what you should look for. You can learn a lot by reading about other peoples mistakes. Even reading through some of the threads on this forum, you realise quite how similar -everybody's- situation is when it comes to women - you learn as much from the 'what not to do' ones as the 'what to do' ones.

But as far as the bootcamps go, and all the books/moneymaking schemes, don't bother. There's no 'sure fire method' for any one human being, because we're all wired differently.

Pua has it's down sides too , popularity isn't always the best but once you find a good balance between social groups and alone time you really start to see results in all aspects of life

Sucess is what you make of yourself and there is always a scam out there but Most if not all stuff you see on the forum will definatly be helpfull

PUA teaches guys confidence, and that dating is as much psychology as it is merely looks. I think a lot of men think dating is purely looks-based (well it's silly to say looks never is a factor), but it's not the only issue at hand.

Pickup is merely a tool for self-development, you will fuck models (I have) and you will have an amazing life if you choose to take it as a passion FOR SELF-DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES.

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No there isn't, this board doesn't have very many people asking seriously "is PUA legit?". Most people are asking questions to improve their PUA technique. Pretending that we are debating this question is like going on an Engineering based forum and debating if witchcraft is a good way to implement high speed circuit design. Don't legitimize non-sense, it gives credence to people who bring no value.

I shouldn't have to say I was clearly being facetious.