Alright, so I'm looking for some third party opinions here. After my last topic, I've decided I've gotta start pursuing my other options rather than succumb to my ex girlfriend over and over. There's two different girls I have classes with, and I've made meager efforts to game them. I'll just provide the recent text conversations with both, and answer any questions or provide additional info from there. My head is really out of the game right now, and I've never been successful gaming a girl I met through classes. Not to mention the whole college game / social proof has been rough since I quit drinking 6 months ago. I'm 29, have my own apartment downtown, and can throw wild parties on a whim due to old drinking buddies.

Girl #1 - HB8
We have three classes together, and I sit next to her in one of them. She commutes from an hour away, and seems like a genuinely busy, nice family-oriented girl. We small talk a little, but primarily conversation (irl and text) is all class related. I asked her to get pizza after class back in September, but got a "busy, maybe another time though!" response then, and I haven't tried to hang out again until today. I do get this "Friend zone" vibe from her, but possibly also testing my persistence.
November 27
Me (515pm) Ever been to ()'s cafe?
Her (517) Nope
Me (518) Want to get lunch there after the test (tomorrow)? It's Japanese
Her (710am, next day) Hey, I can't get lunch together today but possibly another day would work! I have to finish a paper during lunch that is due at 1:20
Me (909) What days are usually good for you? (still awaiting response)

I think with her, I just need to persist. Other efforts to invite her to do stuff, she seems interested but is always busy. Maybe I'm just too boring? I've gotten some indicators she's open to hanging out outside of class, but I'll really have to take the lead.


Girl#2-HB9
I met this girl back in September through mutual friends that brought her to my apartment. We seemed to get along, some light IOIs when I'd run into her, so Oct22 I approached her after class and exchanged numbers with the premise of watching a shared favorite movie together. Two days later, I texted "(lunch) after class?" immediate response "I wish, ill have class though". Next day "I got the movie now, you free tonight?" and no response. Invited her to a party Nov1, she didn't come.
November 27th
Me (733pm) You ready for the test tomorrow?
Her (755) Yep
Me (827) Well good luck. I'm probably getting (food) after, if ya want to meet me there
Her (831) I'll have class right after though, so maybe not
Me (842) You got one of those 1235 classes Wednesday don't you?
Her (1135am, after said test) Even worse, its a 1220

I think the "lunch" route here is going nowhere, and the movie failed (too much?) so I'm thinking next move would be having her and the mutual friends over. A couple weeks ago, said mutual friend called me on a Wednesday night "Hey, I'm with (his ex), HB9 and my (gay friend) can we come over?" but I said no, since my ex was on her way and I didn't feel like having a bunch of people over that late.

For HB8:
Why are you flat out asking her out? Your goal is not to go out with her... Your goal is to create attraction, and until you know she's giving you good IOIs, you can't ask her out. Try being more fun/creative. I personally like to tell girls of my day by adding humour. For instance... "Just walked into the gym changing room and saw three middle aged naked men standing in front of me. I'm never going back there again." Or "I'm at the grocery store and some bitch is trying to steal your thunder. She's wearing the exact same boots as you are." Or I'll often send text pictures just to make it more fun/interesting. For instance, if I'm in the grocery store, I'll take a picture of the biggest sausage I can find and say something like "This is what I'm having for supper. Want some? Too bad, can't touch this." Any kind of random but funny crap I can think of I'll do. Once you've created attraction, then you can tell her something like "I'm going for sushi tomorrow. You're coming." I NEVER ask bitches out. I GET THEM out.

So though not all is lost on HB8, you need to stop asking her out and start creating attraction.

For HB9:
Same thing as HB8... Going out with her is not your goal. Creating attraction is your goal. You keep asking her out but in my experience, persistence is not the way to go as you'll be viewed as a thorn in her side. Also, why ask her a closed-ended question ("ready for the test tomorrow?"). Every text needs to add value. See my examples above. But even then I never send short texts like the ones I showed you. I always have a short story, plus an open-ended question so she has something to reply to.

Here's a recent first text I sent to a girl who gave me her number.
"T'is your fellow compatriot (we're from the same country). I sure as hell hope you aren't late for work again, and if you are, and are blaming it on me, then you are sure to be facing disciplinary action from your owner and boss, [my full name] (here I'm conveying both humour and domination)." (I didn't need to ask her a question here because I gave her something to address.

She answers "Sorry, who is this?" (yanking my chain)

To which I reply "YOU KNOW WHO THIS IS!!! /backhand" (conveying humour and domination again). Then I went on to talk some more crap and we shared some laughs.

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Oh yes... Another favourite text I recently sent... "I'm in the dairy products section of the grocery store, and just let a huge one rip. I bolted the fuck out of there and into the cereal aisle lmfao." The girl was hysterical.

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Agreeing with OP here, Where's the comfort? The humor? The Interest? The Mystery? HB8s & 9s, get asked to lunch, dinner, movies, every fucking day! Boring and Needy!

To be needy is a guy who needs attention no matter what the cost. A person that doesn't have much confidence and will bug the living shit out of some poor girl just for a little attention.

The reason why girls hate guys that are needy is because girls are attracted to MEN. Being needy is a characteristic of a child not a man. A Guy who acts like a child (needy) “is asking" a girl to treat you like a mother and girls hate that. Women want a man that can lead them into wonderful experiences. Women want a man that can make them feel beautiful, sexy, fun, safe, excitement, desire, attraction, all at the same time. Women want a strong man who is confident and independent.

Flyswatter's advice is spot on!

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Here are my texting rules:
1. Always have something funny to say (doesn't need to be the best joke in the books, just light humour or teasing will do the trick).
2. Always make sure she has something to respond to (assume girls are retarded and uncreative).
3. Never EVER ask a closed-ended question. If you need to know the answer, translate the question into a statement she can respond to. E.g.: Are you ready for the test tomorrow? >>> I sure as hell hope our straight A student is ready for the test tomorrow.
4. Try to avoid serious conversations at all costs. If she asks a serious question, humour her in return.
5. Stay in command of the conversation. Make sure you're the one who ends it to leave her wanting more the next day.
6. Pace your texts as you see fit. If she responds right away, I'll respond right away. If she takes longer than anticipated to respond, I'll give her the benefit of the doubt and respond right away. If she does it 2-3 times in a row, I start pacing her and question what it is I may be doing wrong. But if a girl really enjoys the conversation, she'll go out of her way, no matter how busy she is, to respond ASAP.

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I can follow 2, 4, 5 and 6 pretty well. Point 3, point taken, easy fix, same with #1.

FS, thanks for all of those great examples. Can I hire you as a personal coach for my text game? In the meantime, if you can help me think of any specific examples of what to text particular women I'd more than appreciate it.

I've been of the mindset of avoiding texting to build rapport and use it as a tool to arrange meet ups within 2-3 texts. You see now, FS, why I bitch about text game? I've always felt more comfortable building attraction n shit in person, for some reason I get caught up in texting... however, especially with the younger girls, texting is the standard and I really should work on mastering it. With both of these girls, I think I'll do some homework and come back again in a few days. Texting a girl that I have no rapport or really common ground is difficult for me.

On the other hand, I was texting my former one-itis, now one of my best friends of 3 years last night (HB9) as we'd had plans for her to come over after 9.

Her: Homework?
Me: Yeah, just gimme a minute to finish this crazy orgy
Her: Awesome! Lemme know when it's safe
Me: I'm pounding away, but I can't seem to come... can you bring some grape juice? (inside joke)
Her: I can bring vitamin water... But thats it unfortunately :/
Me: Erg... it is grape flavored at least?
Her: Nope...Dragonfruit or something.. I can stop at ___ and get some!
Me: Na that's okay... I think I found an old shoe. (same inside joke)
Her: Hahaha awesome! Be over in like 5

All replies were in minutes of each other, this girl always texts back immediately if she isn't actively busy. It's a pity I'm so far into the friend zone with her :/

Heywood, I read those 7 texting mistakes. Better read them again I suppose, and that other link you posted. Thanks.

Honestly the advice given here is pure ass.

Alright Fly Swatter, I received a text from an HB7 today and applied what you told me. Granted, her interest level is a bit higher than those 8/9s but good practice nonetheless.

Her (808) Hey it's (firstnamelastname)
Me: (814) Ah yes, the lady with merged first and last name
Her (940) Lmao. When you gonna be in (her town) again? What did you think of that cd?
Me: (950) Tomorrow. Love it. But I really shouldn't be talking to you this very moment...
Me: (1035) Are you gonna be home tomorrow afternoon?
Her: Yea what time
Me: I have a 1pm appointment
Her: Okay I'll be back at two
Me: Cool, ill stop over.
Her: Okay bring the cd
Me: No way, it's staying in my cd player
Her: Haha. Did you put it in your computer?
Me: Yeah, I downloaded it but my burner doesn't work. Perhaps you can ride around with me and sing it instead?
Her: Lol. I'll try
Her: I only know the lyrics to my favorite songs but we'll have to listen to the other one. I've yet to listen to it

Really interesting backstory on her, if you care to hear it. Most importantly, a prior f-close and one of my ex's best friends

Me: (814) Ah yes, the lady with merged first and last name
>>>Good humour. But you need to give her to respond to. If a girl wasn't TOO interested, she'd just have replied with "LOL".

Me: (1035) Are you gonna be home tomorrow afternoon?
>>>Yes/no question. Convert it to something like this "You better be home tomorrow afternoon. Something's going down." It's more exciting.

Me: I have a 1pm appointment
>>>Serious conversation. Avoid. Also you're just leaving it to her to guess what time you'll be done. Assume girls are stupid. Try this: "Well I figure the dentist should be done cleaning my awesome teeth by 2."

Me: Cool, ill stop over.
>>>Serious conversation. Try this "Hmmm. 2 you say? I suppose you may be lucky enough for me to stop over. If you're a good girl."

Me: Yeah, I downloaded it but my burner doesn't work. Perhaps you can ride around with me and sing it instead?
>>>Very nice! "Ride" is a word I like to play on. You could have also added "Or perhaps I'll let you ride me if you're lucky."

Since her interest level is high enough, you didn't need to try so hard. But if this was a new girl, the conversation may have died a while back.

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yep legit... you need some coaching bro

join date nov 21, 121 posts..

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Yeah fly swatter is definitely a KJ. No doubt about it, look at his posts haha.

Smash... your text game is fine, the only problem is that you text too much. Get straight to the point in asking them out. Don't waste your time talking to them. Either they get with the program or you next them.

Business must be real good. Troll your potential clientele and expect them to sign up. Someone clearly didn't attend HBS.

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See, I tried that approach with the initial girls in convo above, but I think the point there is when I have the number of a girl whose interest level is low, I need to learn to use text to build interest. That's where I think FS's advice is coming in. I want to avoid like the plague overtexting, I mean hell I've got better things to do most of time than sit around texting bitches - or at least give that impression. Otherwise I agree with you, I don't like putting a lot into texting when game in person has so much more potential.

I tried sitting down and reading the "Ultimate Guide To Phone and Text Game" but it was pretty meh. Maybe I should give it another go?