The golden rule of the Apocalypse opener is to never use it when there is someone else there. The girl could be really wanting to go with you but if one of her friends or even a stranger hears her say yes then her ASD takes over to preserve her social status and she will either walk off or play the "what type of girl do you think I am card"

When you hold the silence after the question it puts a lot of psychological pressure on the girl to answer and it could go either way but third parties within earshot will 99% tip it the wrong way.

After the question if she says "no" flat out just reply "Ok" and flow into the next piece of your conversation as if nothing has happened and it's no big deal. If however she says "well I don't know" or "maybe" or "well I'll have to see what my friends are doing" this means yes just continue the silence till it's either verbal yes or no.

Use it during the last hour of the night; if a girl has spent 3 hours getting ready and been out with her friends for 2 she will want to enjoy the night and not cut it short to go back to yours.

Use it more on a girl when you see her friends have scored with other guys, she doesn't like being the gooseberry as it drops her social status. By leaving with you she can play the girly "romantic instant chemistry card" on her friends.

This is anecdotal and somebody else has mentioned the same on a current thread but girls who wear red shoes or lipstick are more receptive to the opener. I think it's due to hormonal fluctuation which make girls more sexually charged at the most fertile time of their cycle and gives them a predilection to the colour red.

When you give the question hold full eye contact (increases the tension) and nod slightly, subconsciously the girl picks up the nod and interpretes it as a yes (hypnotists use this a lot)

When you see a group of girls deep in conversation look out for the one looking around the venue and not listening to her friends conversation; she's there to pull a guy and scouting out the room for what guys are there.

When you approach do direct full on without non verbal time constraints full alpha. Yes it takes balls but it's a big turn on for the girl.

In hypnosis there is a phenonema called "the pygmalion effect" where if you totally 100% expect someone to behave in a certain way they will. The reason being you give off very subtle body language cues called BMIR's (behavioral manifestations of internal representations) and the other person picks them up and drops into that frame. So. on your approach expect it to work!!

And finally: when it does work get moving before the mood changes, her excitement levels have peaked so get her out the club/bar within 5 minutes before they drop off.

It's great you expanded the topic to give more tips. Few questions:
- Is this your field tested method? Or did you just read it somewhere and shared it.
- What if she says: I've to say my friends that I'm going with you, you don't want the friends to cockblock it. What is a good response to it?

Wallie

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I honed the original using what I had learned form seeing it in action and noticing a pattern to rejections. It does limit your potential approaches but me and my wingman were having a 2 in 10 success rate at first so I used what I know about pick up to identify what was different about the "2" that it worked on (this was using the original) Once the taget attributes were collated we hit about a 4 in 10 success rate so I tweaked the method further and got it up to 50% but bear in mind the selectivity of the system means you might not even see a target on a night out. I don't think it's possible to get much further as the shortness of the approach precludes NLP methods and the chaos of in field throws up too many variables.

This is based on 11 approaches using the original by me and 20 by my wing man with 6 results (should have been 7 but girls old friend turned up) and 9 tweaked method approaches by me and 14 by my wing with 8 results.

I know the samples are small and probably contain a few anomalies but I've been in PUA long enough to get a gut feeling about something.

If you take one thing from this list it's get the girl on her own when you do it. It's the kiss of death otherwise.
The type of girl who it works on will be the type who; if she wants to go with you then she will and eliminate the cockblock herself.

Any suggestions, improvements are welcome.

I am interested in this but I want to hear other peoples results before I try it. I feel like it eliminates all the bs and if you're just trying to get laid, it's great.

What's the apocalypse opener?

50% success rate on pulling within 30 secs?

You must be a legend

Is it still considered the apocalypse opener, if you re-open her?

For instance: You meet a girl at a house party and talk to her, build some rapport, what ever, but not much. Leave her alone for like an hour or so, then comback and spill the lines? Just curious because that sounds like it would be A LOT easier than a fresh opener.

From: http://www.bristollair.com/2008/outer-g ... se-opener/

Beardless Santa, from my experience yes, if you had a positive meeting the 1st time.
If it fails game her still so she doesn't get pissed off/tell her/your friends since its a party

I think the main point is to do it when the bars/clubs are about to close.

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I wish I was: it's just knowing when to use it and on whom which boosts your average up. I've been in PUA a while now and when I first heard about the method I thought...yeah could work...takes balls. So field tested it. First approach got the reply "you're forward aren't you" Second one didn't hold the silence myself so blew that, third one Bingo!! Anyone reading this who has used it themselves will tell you it's a big rush when the girl says "ok" Like most guys on here I hate (but don't fear) rejection as I like things to work how they're supposed to and when they don't I post mortem them and try to find out why. These are my findings use them yourselves and lets see how far we can tweak this thing.

All you have to do is ask them if they want to go home with you and then shut the fuck up???

I'm thinking you'll be hearing a lot of quick No's on that one. I'm just sayin'.

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Some good tips in this article. From my personal experience it's all about confidence. If your rock steady, unwaivering and don't give a fuck you can have great success with highly direct methods. If you aren't that confident yet then work on that mostly as it will improve your game the most.

Also for everyone thinking your just going to get a shit load of no's I can easily see this pulling close to 50% with proper preselectors in place, and significantly higher is she says no and you roll straight into something like GM or Shock and Awe.

Reminds me of tests I did back in the day to see if it was possible to pull using just the pizza and a fuck opener... basically just go up to a girl and say:

me: hey
her: hey
me: So you want to go get some pizza and then fuck?

Using just that with no recovery lines or converstion continuation afterwards if she says no etc, I got 4 yes's on 50 approaches and a student of mine who was still very new got 2 out of 40 approaches.

Or awhile back when the Rothlesburger bathroom sex/rape scandal was going on, I would purposely find girls near the restroom and ask them if they wanted to pull a rothlesburger with me. If they didn't know what I meant, I would just tell them "Oh, I'm saying I want to take you the bathroom and fuck your brains out" with a smile on my face. I did that maybe 10-15 time, took 8 home with me took 1 in the bathroom and blew off the rest as I found either a big red flag or a better option for that night before leaving. Only 1 girl wasn't having it at all and blew me out.

Moral of the story guy, balls, use them. If you do you can pull basically as much ass as you want... you can even do it using shit some people think would never work.

I've never heard it called "The Apocalypse". Only as "The Hail Mary", because you've got one play and you're against the clock.

I've never tried it, but I salute all you fellas that have pulled it off.

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There is a lot of Psychology involved in the "Apocalypse" but it does work.

Believe it or not a proportion of girls do go out with the express purpose of getting laid. Social conditioning prevents them just wandering up to a guy and saying "Hi do you want to fuck?" So it's the mans job...your job to provide to her needs as a woman and the "Apocalypse" is the perfect tool.