Well that's the challenge isn't it? How to escalate without giving the appearance of escalation or sexual interest which can of course be counter productive in a work context.

I was always very careful about the way I approached women in the work place, if at all. It was a very rare situation to where I would do so at all without significant reassurance on her part (I call it self preservation in this time when the male/female dynamic in the workplace was less than ideal). When I was a delivery driver I had women flinging themselves at me all the time in a manner of speaking. Most of the time I would put them on ignore (keeping the personal and work life separate, etc..). Remember, I was in an inferior position. These people were customers, suppliers, etc..

I remember once when I was a delivery driver in eastern N.C., I actually had the daughter (she was about 21 and quite hot. So was her sister) of a customer of mine who would run everybody off during my delivery and come around the counter and write my check on her knees. Did I get her number? Did I date her? Did I screw her? Nope. I got fired. I suppose for non-performance. I wont go into all the reasons why. But they were significant.

Ah the conundrum. Exactly what I was talking about before. Wanting too do something, vs. it being a good idea logically. I was always smart enough to know the chick couldn't pay my bills if it didn't work out or she couldn't handle it.

I think there's a middle ground here that you see in companies with a educated work force, at higher salary levels (of which I was never a part). And that's simply the friendly or business gathering/meeting. Where you can gauge further interest discreetly and out of a workplace context.

For me it was always different. I was always approaching things from the outside looking in and often up, post my brief management career. I never had problems dating women at work while in management. In fact they would usually set me up. Ask me for a ride home, tell me where they hung out after hours, etc.. I met what I would consider very few quality women.

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Sounds to me like a valid theory. Keep working on it.

OOoooohhh Zip, I KNOW you knew you left yourself open here, and I want to comment SOOOOOOOOOOOO bad, but I'll let you off the hook this time. Because I'm a nice guy and all . . .

Tripp, I can always count on you to find the dirty

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So why would you not date somebody of the PUA community? You come off as being a control freak to me in some aspects. Could be totally on the mark or possibly way off. Perception is everything I suppose. /shrug

ps. order that body language book yet?

It's just a personal rule. No judgement or anything like that, I just think it's healthier for me to not get into a relationship with someone from the community. We would probably drive each other crazy.

I'm a healthy mix of control freak and laid back. It's a moot point.

P.S. I haven't ordered it yet because I've already got a reading list that will take me until February to burn though. However, since you're so invested in my learning about body language... have no fear. I've been training for the past two weeks with two guys who are experts in non-verbal analysis.

Now, if you gentlemen are all settled on where I'm coming from, let me see if I can answer questions that will help you in the field rather than delve any further into my narcissism.

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You could hold off on the book for right now as I'll give you this pro-tip. Women have 14-16 different areas in the brain to decipher body language as compared to a man, who only has 4-6 areas for deciphering body language.

So chances are you are going to decipher body language better than the clowns you are with. It isn't called "women's intuition" for nothing..lol I'm not "invested" in anything, I just feel it's a book that everybody should read. That and the book called "The Secrets of Female Sexuality". (another great read)


Ok, here is a legit question by the way. Do women prefer to have sex with men in the social circle as compared to men outside of their social circle? It doesn't necessarily have to be their close or immediate social circle, but you get the idea.

Where did you find this out?

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Thank you for the pro-tip. You are a cornucopia of insight.

It depends on what the woman is looking for. Men within the social circle already have social proof of sorts, and they are a comfortable option. It doesn't feel like a ONS if you sleep with someone you "know." However, the social consequences are to be noted, and this may deter the woman.

Men outside of the social circle offer almost-guilt free sex, however, it takes longer to build comfort with these men. That's why women on vacation tend to be a bit more lax about who they get involved with sexually than when chillin with their homies.

That's like asking do women prefer chicken or steak... it really just depends on the environment she's in, what kind of woman she is, and her needs at the time.

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Yeah you guys should know Zip gives good advice but she's only one person. Not to say it isn't great advice because it most definitly is! You guys should realize nothing in life is set in stone. Women differ in opinions based on many things so you have to build basic knowledge and calibrate in the field to recognize these differences so you can adapt and overcome.

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Dear Zip,

1) What's better, chicken or steak? (I personally prefer steak.)

2) How should I address HB's with piercings on their faces? Can I neg this, or is it dangerous territory.

3) How soon into the convo would you say women usually begin checking out what we men consider to be minute details about our grooming, such as nails, nose hair, shoes?

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Exceptional point and well put.

Just know I have and will ask other female opinions if you're not satisfied with the answer I give and want second or third opinions. I won't answer anything I don't know about without either stating that I have no experience in that area or unless I research the hell out of it.

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1.) I prefer steak because I rock at cooking it.

2.) Neg away. If she's got piercing on her face, she's making a statement. I wouldn't be afraid to comment on it. Of course, a smile is probably a good idea when you're comparing her to Pinhead from Hellraiser.

3.) After the first 10 seconds. Not immediately, but close to instantly. However, you can make a woman not care that you look like crater face if you're breaking her routine and attack her bitch shield. The best defense is a good offense.

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I hate steak. I have never had a good one that I can recall. OMG! WE HAVE TO SMILE???????? Ahem . . . hence the need for PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE guys! Hmmm, did you get that? lol.

pg. 14 of The Definitive Book of Body Language

Goes on to say some more stuff related about "women's intuition". Very interesting book.

My sarcasm detecting meter just broke.