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PostPosted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:16 pm 
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Awesome man. I've had a bit of kickboxing training but never contemplated competing in martial arts or kicking the crap out of someone for the pure sport of it.

I will seek this out, and although my nose is probably too pretty to be broken, join a similar club where sparring matches are the norm and not the exception.

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I do want to point out that I completely understand what you are talking about in terms of being a physically competent and prepared alphamale. This actually has roots in human physiology and it's been shown that males who compete in combat or contact sports have higher levels of testosterone, and especially after they win in competitive matches. According to some studies, HB's can detect elevated levels of testosterone on a man and be attracted to this subconsciously.

The psychological edge is there as well, because you know that you have the means to defend yourself should push come to shove, and so you have a backup plan in case Tyler Durden's (long story but he's a PUA, not the guy from the movie :D) AMOG tactics fail on you.

I do have a stand up heavy bag at home and when I bash it with kicks and punches, and actually knock it over (it's about 250 lbs. but light on top), I just feel...great, energized, competent, more masculine...afterwards.

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Update:

Ack! Got AMOG'd at a dance lesson with 20 very cute and spunky girls. I was the only guy along with the instructor. Basically, the guy made it look like I couldn't dance. I could tell it was on purpose, basically blocking me and invading my space. I salvaged some value by not budging, and by making a mental note to myself never to pay this guy again. No talking allowed during the lessons, so can't use Game. Oh well.

By the way, this is tremendous progress: before I would not have DREAMED (more like NIGHTMARED) of dancing in front of 20 girls to a song I've never heard of. Now, yeah getting AMOG'd sucks and it was embarrassing, but afterwards...I felt GREAT! I ended up opening some sets later on that wouldn't have happened otherwise, mostly because I was kind of "numbed" by the experience. And this is what you need to do to get better: numb yourself to the experiences, however unpleasant they may be, and learn from them. There is no failure but the failure to try.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 7:06 pm 
Excellent Roads. I knew there was a reason we pulled you into the PMZ. :wink:


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Excellent Roads. I knew there was a reason we pulled you into the PMZ. :wink:
For that I give my sincere thanks to you, Starbuck, Doc, and Brad :)

The PMZ has provided me with a wealth of knowledge that I believe will be instrumental in completing my journey from AFC to PUA.

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On a separate note, I should mention to those of you who read this in the future:

I have been having dreams of losing my teeth ever since early November. It is a frightening feeling, let me tell you. I have never had problems with my teeth, drank my daily glass of milk as a child, never had braces or cavities. But in my dreams I see them, feel them breaking, dissolving, falling out, with me helpless to stop them.

It has become so common that sometimes, when I dream this, I know it's a dream and can literally will myself out of REM sleep and into a cold sweat.

If this is freaking you out, don't worry. I just found out that alongside dreams of flying, falling, and public nudity, dreams of losing teeth are actually quite common. After a little research, a commonly agreed upon answer or interpretation for this type of dream is a fear or anticipation of transition that is taking place. The experts in this field feel that it is important to interpret the dream based on symbolisms, so while losing teeth symbolizes a transition in real life from child to adult to elder, in our dreams it symbolizes a metamorphosis of our mental and emotional constitution. And that, my friends, is good.

So for those of you undertaking the journey of transitioning into a PUA, sleep tight and may you too lose your teeth in your dreams :)

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LOL Roads, nice dream.


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LOL Roads, nice dream.
:) Personally, I'm hoping for the tooth dream again, but a nice dream would be welcome for a change.

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More improvements to my inner game have resulted in further reductions in my anxieties during sarges. Actually, I've discovered that once I establish a vibe in a conversation, the anxiety disappears entirely. However, two distinct periods of time before establishing the vibe still spikes my anxiety levels:

1) Between approaching and opening a HB9 or HB10. This is because I hesitate still before opening them, breaking the 3s rule (which I do not for 8's and below most of the time), which stirs up a whirlwind of doubts and fears in my mind. Logically, I know these fears are baseless, but they nevertheless interfere with my ability to game in the sets.

2) Between attraction and comfort. I've noticed that girls will be guarded and rigid when you approach, but after a few minutes---sometimes a few seconds after the opener and you make them laugh---they will become "receptive" to you and your presence. I'm not counting IOI's anymore, I've gotten to the point where something in the body language, voice, or eye contact of a woman tells me she is attracted---although I have to admit it gives my ego a huge boost to make a pretty girl blush within the first 60 seconds of talking to her.

Anyhow, the pressure's all on me to deliver---or at least not fuck up---between this moment and the moment we become comfortable with each other. And that causes my anxieties to rise, because I've become emotionally invested in the interaction and there is a definite risk of me losing that investment. Ironically, when my anxieties rise, it affects my game in a negative way, which then increases the risk of me losing the girl's attraction. It's an internal loop that feeds back into itself. The hotter the girl I'm sarging, the more likely it is that the loop gets started. Once it gets started, it can be very very hard to break.

I've identified the problem and am working towards resolving it. The simplest way is to not care about the outcome of the sarge. Of course this is easier said than done. Separating myself emotionally from the results while still committing myself emotionally to the interaction (i.e. vibing) is tricky, to say the least. Another trick is to establish strong kino at the very beginning, say within 30 seconds of opening. I've found that the more I touch the girl, the more comfortable I become with her and her with me, and the less pressure there is on me to establish rapport later on. Finally, I've found C&F mixed with direct game type statements to alleviate the tension by producing laughter while establishing honesty and trust---I'm basically saying to the girl "hey, this is who I am, take it or leave it". The fear of rejection becomes dulled when you realize that if this person were to reject you, it would not be because you fucked up, rather because their core values are completely different from yours. Since I try to be fun and lively in all my sarges, it would mean they're dead inside...no big loss then :)

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The fear of rejection becomes dulled when you realize that if this person were to reject you, it would not be because you fucked up, rather because their core values are completely different from yours.
PURE GOLD Roads. Good job.


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Sarge. Read. Exercise your body and mind. Take steps aside to look at yourself and what you are doing, in PUA and life.

"The hotter the girl I'm sarging, the more likely it is that the loop gets started. Once it gets started, it can be very very hard to break. "

Do pick up on less attractive or unnatractive girls, this helped me understand, that inside, they are all women, regardless of the outside, doing this alone has helped me tremendously with anxiety in the past.

I get the feeling that you are a big thinker, not much of a do'er, restore the balance, and by doing something you will have something to think about.

"I have never heard anything about the resolutions of the apostles, but a good deal about their acts."-Og Mandino

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Sarge. Read. Exercise your body and mind. Take steps aside to look at yourself and what you are doing, in PUA and life.

"The hotter the girl I'm sarging, the more likely it is that the loop gets started. Once it gets started, it can be very very hard to break. "

Do pick up on less attractive or unnatractive girls, this helped me understand, that inside, they are all women, regardless of the outside, doing this alone has helped me tremendously with anxiety in the past.

I get the feeling that you are a big thinker, not much of a do'er, restore the balance, and by doing something you will have something to think about.

"I have never heard anything about the resolutions of the apostles, but a good deal about their acts."-Og Mandino

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I will reflect on what you have said here Student X. You are very insightful---I do not sarge much on the weekdays due to my job, so essentially I go sarging once or twice a week, which I suspect slows my progress because there is going to be some regression during the 5 day breaks. Also remember that you are dealing with someone who has had anxiety of social situations in general due to his occupation and upbringing, so that's a double wammy I overcome every time I sarge---first I overcome the anxieties related to socializing in general, then I overcome the anxieties related to flirting with young, attractive women.

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Hope everything goes well, seeing as you only have a couple of days a week, one thing this is good for is, a weekly goal, goal setting in THE most simple form could work really well, one goal per week completed properly and totally.

Example, Saturday, familiarise yourself with a club.
reach the goal or exceed it, THEN and only then, write the next goal. Otherwise you'll be like me and bogged down in overcomplicated-ness which really does not help.

Then as an example, saturday (the one after); attempt opening and attraction on a target/set, since you are now familiar with the clubs surroundings and if you want to take a target to a closing area, you know where a suitable area is since you familiarised yourself with the club a week earlier.

In short, each skill gained from reaching each goal, helps with the next, they build on top of each oter, and since your schedule will only allow you to take it slowly, perhaps this is a blessing in disguise, simple and practical documentation and recording of goals.


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Some thoughts on my journey, credit to Lenny Kravitz:

I wish that I could fly
Into the sky
So very high
Just like a dragonfly

Id fly above the trees
Over the seas in all degrees
To anywhere I please

Oh I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah yeah yeah

Oh I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah yeah yeah

Lets go and see the stars
The milky way or even mars
Where it could just be ours

Lets fade into the sun
Let your spirit fly
Where we are one
Just for a little fun
Oh oh oh yeah !

I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah yeah yeah

I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah yeah yeah

I got to get away
Feel I got to get away
Oh oh oh yeah

I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah with you yeah yeah
Oh yeah !

I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah with you yeah yeah
I got to get away

I want to get away
Yeah
I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah with you yeah yeah
I got to get away

I want to get away
Yeah

I want to get away
I want to fly away
Yeah with you
Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

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I had a revelation and decided to put it into a post in the PUA Lounge. Here it is:

detach-yourself-from-the-outcome-vt16784.html

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I feel better in social situations of all types. Positive reinforcement and thought pattern reprogramming does work, it just takes time. Still some ways to go, but getting there.

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