I am SO excited!

I learned something new in my Social Psychology class called Attitude Inoculation and I think it can be effectively applied to pickup.
It's a concept in persuasion where you basically make a weak attack at their existing beliefs/attitudes so that they can easily defend it and therefore strengthen their belief/attitude.

If a PUA caught onto a train of IOIs and made a weak attack at her interest for him, her interest for him will strengthen. If a PUA planted a seed by directing her mind, either consciously or subconsciously, to feel a certain way, then used Attitude Inoculation to strengthen that feeling, the possibilities could be endless, especially if combined with NLP/Speed Seduction.

I'll do some more research and brainstorming on this later, followed by field testing. Watch this thread.

Could you put an example?

Is really hard to imagine it on a PU scenario....I mean, we dont want to DLV, right?

In pua terms please....

Sounds like if she likes you, than you neg her by saying how much she doesnt like you. Thus making in qualify herself into how much she is into you.

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Hey Chief999, you could be onto something. I just did some more research on Attitude Inoculation to spread more light on the concept:

There are primarily 3 steps:

1. Warn the receiver of the impending attack.
2. Make a weak attack.
3. Get the receiver to actively defend the attitude.

Step 1 is to get them systematically thinking and so permits more defense building.
Step 2 must be a weak challenge that causes them to doubt the attitude, belief or behaviour. (If your attack is too strong or overwhelming it will not work because they will get defensive).
Step 3 gets them to actively defend but try not to provide defenses for yourself. The more they intellectualize the stronger those attitudes, beliefs and behaviours become.

From a website: "Inoculation works because it causes the receivers to engage in systematic processing about the attitude object. The weak attack threatens the receivers and forces them to think more carefully, deeply, and effortfully. In essence, inoculation is a kind of judo where the receivers are tricked into thinking about the object. The more they think, the stronger the attitude becomes. And the receivers do all the work. All you do is provide that weak attack that gets the whole thing started."

Makes me think of two things, one is fractionation, when you come out of trance and go back in, you go deeper. In this case, substitute trance for attitudes and beliefs. The second is affirmations, repetition which strengthens the belief.

Okay so the big question, how do we relate this to pick up?

I'll analyze what you suggested Chief999, E.g. if you said, "Woah you're forward, are you always like this?" Or, "You are SO in love with me!"

Her reponse might be: "I'm not into you!" The possibilities through her intellectualization are that the belief in her mind that she isn't attracted to you may be strengthened OR the belief that you are right may become stronger. If you look at it, her emotionally investing by responding would imply that she is becoming attracted to you more. So I assume the latter of the possibilities.

Another response may be that she laughs or submits to your c/f frame you set by playing along. You win again.

I may be totally off the mark here. I appreciate the initiative you took in introducing this idea Chief999.

Okay so I've been thinking more about this topic. I wanted to try and follow the 3 steps above to create something that could be field tested. This is what I came up with:

1) (Warn the reciever of the impending attack) You know what, you didn't turn out the way I imagined you would from your first impression. (Her: why?) Ok, I'm taking a risk here, promise not to bite my head off?

2) (Weak attack) I sensed that you were kind of shy and I was worried that you might not be playful and fun.

3) (Get the receiver to actively defend the attitude) (Simply qualify her here, she should be the one feeding the interaction more) E.g. What's the craziest thing you've ever done? Are you adventurous? Are you spontaneous?

As a result, she is more inclined to qualify using this structure and you have also created a yes ladder (so you can now go for the swinggcat kiss close by challenging her adventurousness).

I think saying something like that would lower her guard down, which is the opposite effect you want to have with the warning stag of Attitude Inoculation. Yeah, I was thinking of the Yes Ladder the whole time there. Great point about the fractionation, by the way. Here's more of what I was thinking:
1. Set a certain frame of reality that's so strong that she gets sucked into it. Easy for any PUA. Done.
2. Make her put her guard up within the very frame you've created by warning her of an impending challenge to the new perceived reality. I think a Yes Ladder can be effectively applied in this stage with a couple questions about her commitment to this reality.
3. Ask a hypothetical question in an almost condescending manner (with a weaker frame) that serves as a weak attack. The fact that the attack was a question should prompt a response in which she defends her perceived reality.
4. Reward her defense with IOIs and amplify her state further with NLP.

I'll come up with an example later... this one's a toughie.

Maybe something like this:

RedMole: "Hey, check this out...is a really cool thing, its a personality test, would you like to try it?"

HB: (if you have gamed her properly) O.K.

RedMole: "Nah, maybe you dont wanna do this thing with me"

She really wants so she probably would simply say "I really want to do it"

Basically this works by activating a response similar to a "yes" chain, by getting the person to continually reaffirm a belief that they already have and get them to a point to where they are able to more effectively articulate it, if only to themselves.

The way I see this working:

1) As Chief stated you must be the one controlling the frame. This is the most important part if you're going to try to use this as a PU tool. Without it you'll be dead in the water because you have no grounds in which to pose a challenge upon her with authority. And you must be receiving strong IOI's to proceed with this line of PU.

2) There needs to be some sort of phase shift in the context of your situation. You need to be able to turn the situation into a much more personal experience, and somewhat more serious. I'd personally try to manipulate your body language and tone of voice for this. This change in the context will automatically raise her guard subconsciously without you having to figure out a way to telegraph and impending "attack".

3) If the IOI's have been strong I'd personally use something along the lines of "I can tell you're not attracted to me." In a completely serious tone and frame. It will completely catch her off guard and force her immediately start thinking of reasons to validate the attraction that she already has for you. Albeit, the vocalization's of these validations will be subtle if not unstated at all. IMO continuing with the interaction at this point would be considered a pretty positive validation. But the point is to make her state and reaffirm this attraction to herself.

4) If done successfully, this should theoretically amplify any attraction that is built toward you because she will constantly reaffirm a belief that she already has. So NLP would probably work really well here because she should be more succeptable to suggestion at this point.

I'm with chief, I need to think about this a bit more. In theory this should work. The problem tho is coming up with a proper method of telegraphing the weak attack.

I like this idea Chief. It's the act of making the girl consciously aware that she is attracted to the PUA that strengthens her attraction for him---most times she will be attracted but not really know it. A little push pull only serves to reinforce that attraction further.

In fact the very first girl I gamed told me that it was when I left the party that she realized how much she was attracted to me. This realization---I suspect in this case brought on by the sheer boredom in my absence---made her even more attracted.

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Before I go on, I must congratulate Chief999 for formulating an ingenious structure.

I've been thinking more about this topic. I think you're focussing too much on attacking her attraction for us (fancyf*ck). That's a bit risky considering she might agree with the attack or she might think you were validation seeking. I propose instead to use the principle of commitment and consistency and attack something she has commited to in step 2.

Here's a sketchy routine I've come up with, tell me what you think:

Step 1) Control a frame of reality, as Chief999 and fancyf*ck have stated. Yes, any PUA should be able to do this.

Step 2) Look into the distance as if you're in your own headspace and speak with a soft tone:
"You know what, I've come to an understanding about women that I don't think a lot of men will ever get. It's really opened my mind. I think that every woman has two sides. On one hand is the culturally programmed woman who cares about what others think and represses her true inner self. And on the other hand is that exciting natural woman who doesn't want to be locked up anymore, who wants to take advantage of every moment. When she comes out, I melt completely." (I'm telling her that I'm vulnerable when that side of her comes out).

Now pose the impending challenge (make eye contact and speak with a more serious tone):
"You know, we've been talking for a while now and I feel that you're somebody who understands herself and someone I can get an honest answer from."

Build the yes ladder:
"Are you adventurous?" (Using swinggcat push pull here will amp attraction as well as affirm the belief).

"Are you spontaneous?"

"When you're totally carefree and you let that natural woman out, do you enjoy truly connecting with people?" (Let's say I'm going to make a weak attack on this commitment).

Step 3) "I'm guessing that we're still not at that stage where we can talk about anything and everything, but maybe I'm wrong?"

Now there will be an exchange of IOIs as she systematically defends herself. She has affirmed several times to wanting to connect with you on a deeper level. She has opened the doorway for you to use NLP to amp up the positive feelings within her. You can ask her more enquiring questions or even get into a more sexual conversation.

Step 4) I am kind of new to NLP although I remember something from "The Game" by Ross Jeffries:
"Let me ask you something, when you're really attracted to somebody, how do you know? In other words, what signals do you get from yourself, inside, that allow you to realise....you're....really....attracted....to....this guy?" Etc.

Any more suggestions and ideas are appreciated.

I'm a little busy right now and I'll look way more into this stuff a little later, but right now I'd just like to say that the Gemini Pattern is considered to be a forbidden pattern, GoldenEagle. Let's not mess with them because they are "forbidden" for a reason.

really great post, this makes a lot of sense to me and my style of piuck up.

we need a greatest posts section.

We have that Hank

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Isn't this like 'leaving when their BT is high'?


"i think i like him'

~source of good emotion leaves~

"fuck fuck, come back, i like you!"


Just a thought

This shit's from 2008 and I went nowhere with this idea

It's hard to apply to pickup and I haven't been able to think of anything thus far