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Thats a really good question! Also, do you think that an unattractive girl has to use more seduction technique and hints towards sex to close on someone?

I would think an unattractive girl would have to bump up her flirting, kino, and sexual inuendo and stray away from building rapport and comfort - for that time being. Later on up the road she would want to get into that, but I think she would want to focus on spur of the moment interaction, sexual connection, reaction, and vibing.
i think you are extremly right in the things a girl should do, though im sure not any girl would be able to do it,it depands on how the guy's taste in girls is, i mean some guys "compromise" on HB 2s and 3s but some go on 7 and above!

but basically if a girl does this sexy talk a man cant even dream of doing on a girl,or just kinos a little bit, it might be enough to get him to want her... (not that easally if he is a PUA :lol: )


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yeh well woman want men just as much as we want them. They just dont ussually do it cause they dont want to be seen in that way.

If an unattractive chick opend me, i'd probly just shut her off. I dont look deep enuf. Do you think this is a problem? me having too high standards??
two things:
1:if an unatractive girl does all the techniques everyone here has been explaining...she should start building attraction right away,and not open with an indirect opener,she should seduce right away. because after a short time after he sees her his opinion on her looks and his unattraction to her get decisive... if she interupts these thoughts and gets other "thoughts" to his mind he can actually get attracted to her...

2: man... if you get picked up by an ugly girl when your friends are in the same bar/club /place...tell them you had diarrhea or something!!tell them you passed away and came back to life!!tell them the ugly girl was a secret police officer!!tell them she gave you money!!anything!!!

haha just kiding but seiriously probobaly non of these stuff is gonna work if some of your frinds are there(if she doesnt seduce them too :shock: :? )



hope it doesnt happen to me :cry:


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aaahhhh. girl game.

Physically "unattractive" women can intrigue a guy's mind to the point where he finds her visually attractive. there are certain attraction switches for a man (social desire, sexual tantalization, intellectual cruelty, etc.) that work like a charm, if the girl has patterned the man correctly. And I'm not just talking about pulling men. I'm talking about bagging them for LTR's.

There is comfort involved, but it's mixed with a bit of social desire (the entire room seems to want her, but can not have her, thus, setting up a social conquering scenario... the girl makes herself more than a woman, she is a challenge with a clear winner.) She has to make him comfortable enough that she is not a total whore in order for him to not feel threatened by her sexual prowess when she tries to bump up the sexual frame.

That's why, Musterion, you probably were not very attracted to that girl by the end of that night (even though yeah yeah yeah she wasn't your type.) She had been making out with three guys at the bar. It lowers her social desire value. No man wants what every man has easily.

As far as kino, she's got to push and pull. That's the only way it works. Reward and punish. You have to trigger sexual tantalization and curiosity, not hump his brains out in a corner of the bar (if the girl really wants to have a shot at bagging the guy for a while.) Brushing by things lightly and "accidentally" is as far as she should go, IMO, and that's only near the end.

Intellectual cruelty... she has to outwit and surprise him, and make him wonder why she's not trying to flatter or impress (but not in a try-hard way, it has to be in a "i'm comfortable existing and being awesome" way. She has to have a hint of cruelty to her mind... so that it seems to surpass "stupid slut" capacity even into having the "mind of a man." (I cringe at that last phrase because I think all human beings have the same brilliant capacity, bla bla bla, but a smart female PUA is going to know she has to play to men's prejudices sometimes in order to break them.)

oh zip, btw... even though i did not fucking understand half of the the things you have said there..................i knew you would know the answer for my little question... :D although you can give credit for some others that brought up some good points about that topic.


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aaahhhh. girl game.

Physically "unattractive" women can intrigue a guy's mind to the point where he finds her visually attractive. there are certain attraction switches for a man (social desire, sexual tantalization, intellectual cruelty, etc.) that work like a charm, if the girl has patterned the man correctly. And I'm not just talking about pulling men. I'm talking about bagging them for LTR's.

There is comfort involved, but it's mixed with a bit of social desire (the entire room seems to want her, but can not have her, thus, setting up a social conquering scenario... the girl makes herself more than a woman, she is a challenge with a clear winner.) She has to make him comfortable enough that she is not a total whore in order for him to not feel threatened by her sexual prowess when she tries to bump up the sexual frame.

That's why, Musterion, you probably were not very attracted to that girl by the end of that night (even though yeah yeah yeah she wasn't your type.) She had been making out with three guys at the bar. It lowers her social desire value. No man wants what every man has easily.

As far as kino, she's got to push and pull. That's the only way it works. Reward and punish. You have to trigger sexual tantalization and curiosity, not hump his brains out in a corner of the bar (if the girl really wants to have a shot at bagging the guy for a while.) Brushing by things lightly and "accidentally" is as far as she should go, IMO, and that's only near the end.

Intellectual cruelty... she has to outwit and surprise him, and make him wonder why she's not trying to flatter or impress (but not in a try-hard way, it has to be in a "i'm comfortable existing and being awesome" way. She has to have a hint of cruelty to her mind... so that it seems to surpass "stupid slut" capacity even into having the "mind of a man." (I cringe at that last phrase because I think all human beings have the same brilliant capacity, bla bla bla, but a smart female PUA is going to know she has to play to men's prejudices sometimes in order to break them.)

After thinking about it for a long while, I have decided I agree a little.

An unattractive girl must do something to catch the man's eye, and hold his attention. I, however, stand by that the unattractive girl will have to be a lot more sexual and use a lot more kino than one normally would.

Once she gets his attention, she has to keep it. And you are right to say that if she just BAM (puts out), his attention will no longer be there.

In order to keep the mans attention? I say your idea of "intellectual cruelty" sounds really good. It shows her confidence and comfort around people - and the more an unattractive girl does that, I would venture to guess the mind of onlookers begin to see her as less unattractive. If she is smart, fun, and enjoyable to be around...she will blow the other women out of the set.

I would also say she has to avoid being in the situation of all attractive girls and her (them using her to look better) and avoid women who might try and deframe or AFOG her.

I do believe that for any of her desired outcomes to happen, the unattractive girl gaming the guy would most likely have to be more interesting, more social, and stand out more than the other people around.

Because men are visual (and shallow), don't you think she will have to make up for her physical appearance with a really really awesome personality, and with the ability to convey these things?

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yeh well woman want men just as much as we want them. They just dont ussually do it cause they dont want to be seen in that way.

If an unattractive chick opend me, i'd probly just shut her off. I dont look deep enuf. Do you think this is a problem? me having too high standards??
It's important to know what you're attracted to, but it's also important not to be so shallow that you exclude positive experiences from your life.

Part of this third generation PUA stuff is about getting over yourself and opening yourself up to the experiences you SHOULD be having. If I hadn't gotten over myself a bit, I would have missed out on some of the greatest people I've ever met and been with.

A strong frame and core give you the confidence and belief to know what you want, and the standards you require people to meet.

However, no one is saying you have to have sex with everyone you open (insert: Locke's new challenge for the forums!). ;) You should be a friendly person talking to, and getting to know others. My personal experience is (IN MORE CASES THAN OTHERS) that the closer to drop dead gorgeous, the less fun and less interesting they are to me

So instead of lowering your standards and thinking you are shallow, just be more social and more friendly. This way, your standards will eventually fall into place by themselves, and coincide with your interests; honestly, no one can truly know what they want 100% until they have experienced a wide range of things.

Hang out with the supposed "ugs," you might learn something!
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yeah man, i think it's possible.

i got a pretty average looking girl in my class ( pudgy and kinda ugly imo ), and this girl is high status, confident, secure and all that shit. her boyfriend is a pretty attractive guy, 20 years old and he goes by the nick-name hercules because of his super strength and size.

i think it's a lot about attitude. i've noticed girls who are 'sexy ugly' in the sense that they're not really attractive, but they've got the attitude to make them seem sexy in a way.

so yeah, girls can pick up attractive guys too even though they look like shit.


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yeah man, i think it's possible.

i got a pretty average looking girl in my class ( pudgy and kinda ugly imo ), and this girl is high status, confident, secure and all that shit. her boyfriend is a pretty attractive guy, 20 years old and he goes by the nick-name hercules because of his super strength and size.

i think it's a lot about attitude. i've noticed girls who are 'sexy ugly' in the sense that they're not really attractive, but they've got the attitude to make them seem sexy in a way.

so yeah, girls can pick up attractive guys too even though they look like shit.
I mean, I'd venture to say you mean "unattractive" girls that are put together and confident. When you say "look like shit" that connotes hear hair is all greasy, she's got zits all over her face... she's unkempt. Probably smells.

Girls who don't have the most youthful or symmetrical face, who are a little pudgy, but are well put together.... absolutely can have a sexuality that comes off them that is incredibly tantalizing. They can also be the "queen bees" of a social circle, where their status entitles them to pick whomever they want. These women don't necessarily smell like confident sexuality, they teem with social confidence and intellectual savvy.

Think about Myrtle Wilson from The Great Gatsby.

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Girls can def pick up guys.

In fact I have a really good friend in SD who while very cute is able to consistently get with guys who are WAY higher value. She does it by being sexually ambiguous, and handling logistics so guys just happen to end up back at her place etc...

I'd say there probably is a limit to how ugly a girl could be and still get guys, but the same goes for guys picking up girls. You have to be well put together, in shape, stylish, etc.. to pick up anyone.

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Girls can def pick up guys.

In fact I have a really good friend in SD who while very cute is able to consistently get with guys who are WAY higher value. She does it by being sexually ambiguous, and handling logistics so guys just happen to end up back at her place etc...

I'd say there probably is a limit to how ugly a girl could be and still get guys, but the same goes for guys picking up girls. You have to be well put together, in shape, stylish, etc.. to pick up anyone.

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I agree. If they are ugly and don't look like they have put effort into at least presenting themselves well, then GG.

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Unless they're well versed and well read in PUA methods, it would be fairly difficult for women (for those unwilling to get a makeover and / or lose weight, if they're not too slim) who guys would class as 'unattractive' to pick up guys, as most females in this category are fairly insecure about their looks.

Having seen the 2007 Pick Up Artist show, it'd be awesome seeing a spin off show, with all female AFC's and 3 female PUA instructors, as well as Mystery maybe appearing occasionally.


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So instead of lowering your standards and thinking you are shallow, just be more social and more friendly. This way, your standards will eventually fall into place by themselves, and coincide with your interests; honestly, no one can truly know what they want 100% until they have experienced a wide range of things.

Hang out with the supposed "ugs," you might learn something!
Locke, I wish Tony Robbins would do that trick with my head like he did in Shallow Hal, because a couple of the unattractive women I hang out with have the most amazing personalities and live the most interesting, happy lives I know.
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Having seen the 2007 Pick Up Artist show, it'd be awesome seeing a spin off show, with all female AFC's and 3 female PUA instructors, as well as Mystery maybe appearing occasionally.
There's already a show like that, I believe it's called Desperate Housewives.

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Nice joke, but I really do mean a female equivalent of the
Pick Up Artist reality show with female AFCs, if VH1 are game
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Fat chicks are a definite no.

I see fatness on the same level as being unwashed or wearing horrible clothes. Sure, it's not as simple as a wardrobe change, but it does reflect the lifestyle of a person. And it's an instant bonerkill.

I'd sooner take a facially ugly, but athletic, slim girl over the fat girl with the cutest face on the planet.

Of course this is subjective. Fat is a plus for guys who're into it.


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Fat chicks are a definite no.

I see fatness on the same level as being unwashed or wearing horrible clothes. Sure, it's not as simple as a wardrobe change, but it does reflect the lifestyle of a person. And it's an instant bonerkill.

I'd sooner take a facially ugly, but athletic, slim girl over the fat girl with the cutest face on the planet.

Of course this is subjective. Fat is a plus for guys who're into it.
this could be phrased a lot better.....

Interesting women are interesting women regardless of their size. Would you not open, talk to, or be friends with larger women?

I will agree with the initial part - to an extent, though. Obesity that can be controlled or avoided, and is not, is an unattractive quality. Remember that everyone is born with a certain body type; maybe get to know them before you judge whether that's how they are, or that's how they made themselves.

And again, after getting to know them...maybe your physical requirements may slip and you'll end up finding they have some pretty attractive traits and qualities that you enjoy and might become interested in pursuing.

Sexual attraction doesn't always have to be physical gentleman!

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not me...

what happens is, a hb7 can become really atractive if she's interesting enough, just as a lot of hb9 can become as unnatractive as a 6 if she is a bitch "I am so cute guys hit on me, and so do you" this gives me TEH anger

heheh =P

but seduction for women would be a lot different, I think...


anyway, right now I am finding myself really atracted to a girl for her personality...(but she's hot, too)
theres sparks when we start playing with each other, and gets me wondering the fire itll be later on... you know
gonna lunch with her this week


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