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Eh what's up Doc,

I think you should sticky that mall sarge exercise somewhere. It's a magic bullet of sorts for combating AA. Awesome. :D

1) Say a girl you knew from awhile back gets in touch with you out of the blue, and start suggesting some activities for you two do to together (usual movie, dinner date, shopping, etc.). What would your response be, assuming you still feel some attraction to her. Oh, and your game is slightly more advanced now than before, when she knew you.

2) My shoulder hurts like hell when I sleep, I am afraid I may have hurt my rotator cuff with my intense weight training. I know you were a pitcher and probably had a sore shoulder more than once in your life. Any advice, how about rehab? (And yeah, I know you're not a licensed physician Doc :D)

3) This is so weird, I have no trouble with kissing in attraction, but after comfort it's like I feel a mental resistance to kissing her. I don't know, I really should stop thinking so much.

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1) Say a girl you knew from awhile back gets in touch with you out of the blue, and start suggesting some activities for you two do to together (usual movie, dinner date, shopping, etc.). What would your response be, assuming you still feel some attraction to her. Oh, and your game is slightly more advanced now than before, when she knew you.
I'd be busy, and take control of the meeting in a playfull manner. Let her know how busy you are and give her a couple dates and time to pick from.

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Sure meeting up would be great. I'm available Thursday at 4 or Sunday at 2, which one works better for you?

That encourages her to see you on your terms, and conveys alot of postivie qualities as well as 'assumes the sale'.
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2) My shoulder hurts like hell when I sleep, I am afraid I may have hurt my rotator cuff with my intense weight training. I know you were a pitcher and probably had a sore shoulder more than once in your life. Any advice, how about rehab? (And yeah, I know you're not a licensed physician Doc :D)
Ice, heat and stretching... and always in that order, you never want to stretch a cold muscle if you can avoid it. Also if it really is your rotar cuff, I'd suggest doing some standing front and lateral raises, and some bent over lateral raises... the kick for rotar cuff work, don't use more then 2lbs or your delts will take control... I recommend soup cans to start with.
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3) This is so weird, I have no trouble with kissing in attraction, but after comfort it's like I feel a mental resistance to kissing her. I don't know, I really should stop thinking so much.
I'm thinking your thinking that I'm thinking that your over thinking. If you think she wants it... she probably does, and it's time to confidently go for it. Women love confidence, and even if she was a little unsure before, she'll be happy you made the move if your confident about it 90%+ of the time.


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There's this girl on facebook that i've actually never met, since we were both in this university facebook group and I was helping her out. and we talk here and there. I didn't talk to her for like a month so...

I asked her

hey hey, haven't talk to you in awhile. How have you been? First year is almost over how you making out?

And she replied with:

hey everythings been cool.. i actually have a course at (my campus) (friday mornings.. i think i remember you saying something about having fridays off all year long). i love (my campus)! compared to (her campus) of course lol. first year .. could have been better i guess lol. what about you, how did everything work out?

Okay is this an invitation for me to ask her you want to meet up after class. I don't know why she would bring that up unless she was just rambling on.

On her facebook she said she's married to this guy, but then again I highly doubt they are going out, probably a joke on facebook however I'm not sure.

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There's this girl on facebook that i've actually never met, since we were both in this university facebook group and I was helping her out. and we talk here and there. I didn't talk to her for like a month so...

I asked her

hey hey, haven't talk to you in awhile. How have you been? First year is almost over how you making out?

And she replied with:

hey everythings been cool.. i actually have a course at (my campus) (friday mornings.. i think i remember you saying something about having fridays off all year long). i love (my campus)! compared to (her campus) of course lol. first year .. could have been better i guess lol. what about you, how did everything work out?

Okay is this an invitation for me to ask her you want to meet up after class. I don't know why she would bring that up unless she was just rambling on.

On her facebook she said she's married to this guy, but then again I highly doubt they are going out, probably a joke on facebook however I'm not sure.

Thanks in advance
Without knowing more about your history with her it'd be hard to say... Honestly it just sounds like she's making conversation... How much attraction do you have built with this girl? Have you hung out in person before? Closed her?

I'm a little confused for why you think this is her inviting you to set up a Day 2... unless your much further with her then your letting on of course.


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First, if a girl shit tests w/ the line "you're being mean" what do think of answering "Nah, I'm just playing hard to get". I am not sure if that would work because it is too honest. But at the same time, it is sort of a neg and sort of cat-string theory. How do you think a women would react? (That question may be better for zip, oops).
My main questions came from last night, my first official night out in Columbia. A great time, but it could have been more. Anyway, at the bar, I was telling great stories, doing my best to DHV, going w/ the flow feeling cool and comfortable. I was with two HBs ( both 7.5-8 ). Walking around I got in a lot of kino but never did it feel awkward. The problem is when I was being driven home. The mood felt great, and the night did not have to end. I called back after being dropped off, being alpha about keeping the party going etc... The girl flaked and I hung up on her. Looking back, I knew I could have #-closed, at least, but I was really unsure of how to break through from "We are just here to have fun" mood of the night, to something more serious. I mean how would go about escalating the interest in girls so they are more receptive to intimacy? Honestly, I felt that there was a wall in front of me, I just needed a few words, to put the night going in that direction. How would you go about convincing a girl that the night should not end, that it is in her best interest to keep hanging out w/ you? Honestly, the way the night was, keeping it going could have resulted in big things for me. I took it for what it was worth, but man, it's hard not to think of the possibilities.

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hey im inn high school and things are a little diff. how can i keep the convo going. i can get the confidence to say hi but after that i blank out. how do i keep it going??


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First, if a girl shit tests w/ the line "you're being mean" what do think of answering "Nah, I'm just playing hard to get". I am not sure if that would work because it is too honest. But at the same time, it is sort of a neg and sort of cat-string theory. How do you think a women would react? (That question may be better for zip, oops).
The trick with that test it's it seems super calibration sensitive. I think your line could work well if she's at that point where she mostly wants you but feels like she should test you a bit. Also depending on how that comeback was recieved it could lead to a little chat (C&F style) about how your not some sort of slut, and she's trying to get in your pants (role reversal) and all of that jazz... which IMO is not only effective but just plain fun... depending on calibration you may want to throw a hug in there or use a harsher line (Not mean just honest or not mean just not interested) also with or without hugs... I've always said the best balancer for an overneg is a hug.
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My main questions came from last night, my first official night out in Columbia. A great time, but it could have been more. Anyway, at the bar, I was telling great stories, doing my best to DHV, going w/ the flow feeling cool and comfortable. I was with two HBs ( both 7.5-8 ). Walking around I got in a lot of kino but never did it feel awkward. The problem is when I was being driven home. The mood felt great, and the night did not have to end. I called back after being dropped off, being alpha about keeping the party going etc... The girl flaked and I hung up on her. Looking back, I knew I could have #-closed, at least, but I was really unsure of how to break through from "We are just here to have fun" mood of the night, to something more serious. I mean how would go about escalating the interest in girls so they are more receptive to intimacy? Honestly, I felt that there was a wall in front of me, I just needed a few words, to put the night going in that direction. How would you go about convincing a girl that the night should not end, that it is in her best interest to keep hanging out w/ you? Honestly, the way the night was, keeping it going could have resulted in big things for me. I took it for what it was worth, but man, it's hard not to think of the possibilities.
Usually if your having a problem at one point it's due to something you did wrong at the earlier stages... How was the comfort building? Did you K-close? You gotta kiss before you can escelate anything intimately... and IMO you want to 'get to kissin' about 25-35% of the way through comfort building... you want to kiss and have the chance for you to set the lets slow down tone, and be able to build more comfort... It's like there are 2 different types of comfort Pre-kissing comfort is just a different type of comfort then post kissing. It's like the comfort before is kinda scetchy compairitively.

Overall it sounds like you did great, that fun vibe is what you want IMO (I only sleep with girls who I have fun with)... I'd say that the night may have turned into a little bit of a LJBF microcosm, you gotta get to kissin when it's the right time... it's a window to fast and your creepy to late and it's wierd, you'll get the hang of it.


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hey im inn high school and things are a little diff. how can i keep the convo going. i can get the confidence to say hi but after that i blank out. how do i keep it going??
Practice, lots of it. You need to learn conversational skills. Start talking to everyone you meet, talk to them about anything... doesn't matter. Get used to holding conversations it's make it SOOO much easier when your talking to the ladies.

As for the type of things I like to talk about with women folk... I'm a little narcissitic so I like to talk about things I find interesting. I like to elicit my values while also asking the occasional question and allowing her to qualify to me about my values. Also talking like that lets the to of us discover something we both find interesting to talk about... which allows her to prove to me that she can hold my interest, if she can't hold it, I'll tell her thanks but your not my type and walk off.


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Dear Doc,

1) I had proximity alerts go off in my head with this cute girl in the cafeteria at work. She twice managed to find herself in my general vicinity even though she had nothing to do (not even pretending to get napkins or something). I was with colleagues. Would a direct "Hey, I think you like me. Well I think you're cute. I've got to go eat with my colleagues but we should exchange phone numbers and find out more about each other sometime" opener/close work?

2) Ever run direct game on a female police officer?

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Hey Doc, you mentioned that you ran a pattern on an ex-GF and now she has a problem with doors. Can you share the story with us? Im wondering how this can be. I dont know alot about NLP so i find this facinating, im gonna learn SS once i feel i have reached a decent level with MM. I dont wanna learn two things at the same time and watch my game take a slide.

Anyway let us know. Doors?

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Are you serious, Mozy? The Doc ran the door pattern? That is supposed to be the most lethal, controversial NLP pattern out there. Ross Jeffries, himself, even denounces this pattern.


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A follow-up to your response. How would you go about k-closing a girl you have built up enough comfort w/ that you may be in LGBF zone? What is IMO?

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Are you serious, Mozy? The Doc ran the door pattern? That is supposed to be the most lethal, controversial NLP pattern out there. Ross Jeffries, himself, even denounces this pattern.
Yup it was the door pattern by Mr. Jeffries, this was back in the day when he first came up with the pattern and I was a member of alt.seduction and done alot of work with NLP so I volunteered to help field test it.

Later after several of us had used it with good results...but way to many bad side-effects... the pattern was denounced.


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A follow-up to your response. How would you go about k-closing a girl you have built up enough comfort w/ that you may be in LGBF zone? What is IMO?
Well if your in the LJBF zone your kinda hosed... you can get it back but I just don't think its worth all the effort. As far as K-closing you just have to step up and go for it confidently when you think the time is right. I like the finger over her mouth and tell her she talks to much and go for it, then stoping about 40% in just before she closes her eyes and saying "close your eyes"... the key to K-closing is good timing (calibration) and going for it like a man.

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Shit, doc, that's kinda cool in a sick way actually. Was the girl obsessed with you after you ran the pattern?


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