This past week I had two dates that both went the same way. I went out with the girl had a great time and got a make-out at the end of the date. The next day I didn't call either one of them because I was busy gaming and texting other girls.

When I did get back with them they both text me back but it seemed like some interest was lost. Was it wrong of me not to text them or call the very next day after the 1st date? Should you always call a girl the next day after a good 1st date? Or is it ok to wait a day or two??

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Why did you purposefully ignore them ? Are you really that shocked by them not talking to you like usual ? You guys take the rules too seriously, if you dig her and want her why would you let that emotional momentum just crawl to a slow zero. What was the point ? Don't be surprised if they start being a little distant, you aren't really showing them that you like them that much for them to reciprocate it back. Women are fickle things, even the girls that chase me for weeks will eventually come a conclusion that I must not like them that much for them to be spending all this time thinking and trying to contact me. Next time, do yourself a favor and strike while the iron i hot.

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I was really busy with other things. I could have shot them a quick text though. I guess I didn't want to look needy. Looking back I can see how it may have come off like I didn't really like them that much. Won't make that mistake again. I havent lost them. Have a date with one tomorrow and the other one text me back but Im gonna have to get her buying temp back up because I feel its cooled down significantly. Thanks for the response.

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I doubt not contacting them for a day had any effect. Probably just so-so dates. You can wait two weeks to call a girl back after a first date and she'll jump at another chance if she thought the date was good.

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maybe with damaged girls with no self respect. Any high value girl would have long forgetten about you if you waited that long.

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[/quote]maybe with damaged girls with no self respect. Any high value girl would have long forgetten about you if you waited that long.[/quote]

Thats kinda what I was thinking. Both of these girls were strong women of value. The dates were both good. No sex but got make-outs. I think they felt a little slighted by the "no call" the next day.

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maybe with damaged girls with no self respect. Any high value girl would have long forgetten about you if you waited that long.[/quote]

Thats kinda what I was thinking. Both of these girls were strong women of value. The dates were both good. No sex but got make-outs. I think they felt a little slighted by the "no call" the next day.[/quote]


At least you know. Always keep up the momentum. No use in going backwards in seduction

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That's bullshit, IMHO. If you stand out above the rest, a woman will be patient and glad to see you again.

If she saw you as low value, she will move on.

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It sounds like they were bored, IMHO.

High value men and women are career focused and have lots going on in their lives, and a few days of silence after a date isn't going to make or break things.

And if the chemistry is really there, you're at least having oral sex on the first date.

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Arch...aren't you in a small town? Maybe waiting two weeks works in smaller areas. In a place with lots of options for women, that won't go over so well. If a woman thinks that you lost interest and doesn't reach out for you, that means that she has more than likely lost interest.

OP...You have to be proactive. If you want a second date, it's best that you put the hook out there at the end of the first date. Let her know that you enjoyed her company in some sort of way and then make the offer for a second date. You don't have to set a time and date, just put the idea out there so she knows you are still interested even if you don't call the next day. It's setting an expectation so she doesn't come up with her own.

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I'm from Chicago, but I do live in a town with 60k right now.

I don't blow up the phone of 9's and 10's. I will sometimes go 5-7 days after a date to contact a woman, even if we've had sex on the first date. Usually they contact me before that. If they are not contacting you first, the date didn't go so well. I know it's a bit cruel, but it's been an extremely effective tactic for me since I was in my teens, lol. It's not something I carry later on into the relationship (if there is one), but it does get them wondering early on, and it does make you stand out from the betas who call/text them everyday after making out/sex, as if they've never gotten it before.


This sounds like something a woman would do.

The OP reached out to both girls and they don't seem interested. I'd chalk that up to weak dates. It's possible one or both are playing hard to get, so in that case just back off for a few days and see if they want more. If a girl wants more she'll reach out.

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I'm a man and I do it and it has never affected me in a negative way. Great ways of pulling women in is putting yourself out there. "Man think" tends to keep guys protecting their egos so they won't do things the simple way that work better.

So 5-7 days with your experience and you're saying that it's okay to go two weeks.

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Didn't he put himself out there on the first date, though? High value, non-needy and independent women won't care if he doesn't hit them up the next day after a date. Trust me. They have work, friends, errands, etc.

It depends. For 9's and 10's, guys blow up their phone everyday, and many of these men are all saying the same things to her.

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Right...work, friends, errands, etc. is all real life stuff that can put a wedge in seduction. The longer you wait to contact a woman the more likely she'll believe that you have lost interest and she'll focus more on real life. It's reasonable for them not to expect you to call them the next day.

Trust me...I've dated quite a few beautiful professional women, some business owners, that are constantly busy with work life and don't have a lot of free time. My experience has taught me that these women are looking for a man that can help them escape the monotony of real life. They would drop friends, miss a meeting, take a day off when they are infatuated with a guy. It doesn't matter if they are 9's or 10's as long as they are women and they feel attracted to you.

To answer your question, no he didn't put himself out there...or at least he didn't explain anything that shows that he did. It was a date and they made out. Those are a dime a dozen. Second dates happen because of the potential of things going to a higher level. Him expressing a desire for a second date shows that he sees that potential and more often than not a woman will mirror what a man feels if things are going positively.

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I think this applies to all women. And if you can be that guy, you'll have her hooked for a long time.


These also sound like older, more desperate women. I only date women in their 20's. 9 and 10 20-somethings are an entirely different animal.

Also, I think the beauty of a woman does matter. I can make many mistakes with 7's and 8's and still have them blowing up my phone. Strong, extremely beautiful women don't tolerate that shit, lol.



If they went so great, why no return texts from the women? That's a bad sign, and IMHO has nothing to do with not blowing up their phone the next day.

I've been where the OP is before. I would just bail and find new women. I want passion and excitement on the first date.

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