This is false, by the way. But I'm guessing you're just using that as an example to point out someone else's prejudiced conclusion instead of stating that to be your actual belief.

Fair enough, but... No. Just no. Never heard of a player who cares about the career of his target. Money is as much effort you would give to a woman as to a prostitute. So you mean, if there's no attraction between two strangers the day they meet, nothing will ever happen between them? But then what is pick-up about? The point is, you should consider money as a way to communicate intimacy (much like when paying a drink to your buddies), not as an effort to achieve a goal (hence the prostitute analogy).

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Yes, an example to illustrate a point.

Look guys, there are circumstances, I agree.

If I'm going out with a doctor and he's suggesting a coffee date, I will come to one conclusion- He's not that much into me to spend the cash on an actual date.

If he's a pizza delivery boy, a woman would be a total bitch to suggest he take her out to some 5-star restaurant.

From an evolutionary stand point, women are wired to look for security. Look at the success of sites like, whatsyourprice.com and those mail order brides. They are successful for a reason, granted on the extreme end.

When I go out on dates, I can gauge (for the most part) a man's generosity with me without costing $$$. Let me give you an example:

Man #1:
Went out for drinks. I didn't like my first drink, set it aside. He asks me, you want me to order you another one? I said no, it's okay. He goes, ah, no, come on, let's get you another one.

Man #2:
Went out for drinks. First drink was too strong, set it aside. He keeps asking, so you going to drink that or not? Bill comes. He asks if I've got change on me.

For many women, a man's generosity gives her a clue about his character.

Just because you pay for a woman doesn't necessarily mean you are paying for her time. IF YOU are paying because you feel unworthy of her time, then yes, it will show and you will feel that way. BUT if you are like DA and myself who just keep things stocked and nice because YOU are a charming man that likes to see people have a good time, what's wrong with that ?


One of the rules I live by is that I don't expect anything in return. If I do pay. If she offers, I will accept it and will appreciate because it shows she was raised right. If she didn't offer then I would be


People are getting bent out of shape about paying but lets be honest, you have to learn how to avoid putting yourself in these situations, instead of money exchange to show you care for a women you should learn by the way that you treat her, how you look at her, what you say to her, how you hold her, etc.


If I ever become rich, I would love to throw cookouts where people come and enjoy their time away from stresses from their daily life. When I am out on a date, I shouldnt see it as a stressful time, it is a time away from stresses for me so I only expect good company and good manners.

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In the beginning of the whole thread, the reason you took interest in him was of his attractiveness. Please don't say that women don't value attractiveness. Offering fish and then serving spaghetti is tacky, I'll admit that, but you are complaining because it wasn't expensive enough for you. You're not complaining about him being boring, a bad conversationalist, lousy when it comes to seduction, or being weird...you're complaining about a price tag.

The problem that I keep seeing here is you are saying that he has to pay for your attractiveness and put in effort for your attractiveness without saying what else you have to offer except for the sour attitude and that you drove to see him. Hot girls are pretty common and ones that look at how much a guy is paying for things tend to stay single until their looks start to fade. I'd rather have a cute girl that appreciates even the smallest things than the really hot girl that needs me to get things in order for her to have a sense of value.

BTW...spaghetti instead of fish doesn't imply that he can't provide security.

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And who said that if you pay the first date she won't pay the second?

Yes, women value attractiveness but not as much as men.
If he would have said, I'm going to cook spaghetti tonight, it'd be a whole different story.

Yes, I am complaining about a price tag at this moment. But here's why:

He invited me to dinner and said he'd cook up fish, wine, dessert, blah blah. When I got there, waited 1 hour and then got spaghetti, my thinking went along the lines of, "Well, I guess he thought I wasn't worthy enough for fish, wine and dessert. I guess to him, I'm worthy the price of spaghetti and water."

This is exactly why women breed men that pretty much act like assholes to women. MONEY was not around back in the day. MONEY if all of it was burned would not make any difference in seduction. From an "evolutionary" standpoint, what you are describing is false. The reason you found the guy attractive in your original post is because of HIS BEHAVIOR. Not that he could not pay up like you the way you feel entitled to. And this was true because you kept on seeing him despite you complaining about the cheapness. You liked his behavior. And that is what kept bringing you back. Unfortunately for the guy he lacked charm and that is why you ditched him in the end. He said he was going to do something for you but he didn't so he loses gentleman points for that.


IF I ever become rich like a doctor. HELL YEAH I will take your ass out to on a coffee date. Because I would genuinely want to know that you like me for me and not for what I can provide for you. I am not out here making a living because I want some freeloader on me. I would want an equal, someone to grow with.

What makes you so special right off the bat that I have to take you to a 5 star restaurant ? Shit, I weed girls out who only want things out of me. I would never date a woman like that long term if she thinks that I am supposed to bend over for her just because she is hot.

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You're complaining about dinner on the first date?

Yikes.

I can only imagine the amount of complaining a month down the road....or the amount of complaining early on that perhaps turned this guy off into putting the effort he was originally going to.

Did you like the guy? Did he make you smile? Did you have fun? In the grand scheme of things and your priorities in life, where does spaghetti come in?

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Since when did I say I want to be taken out out to a 5-star restaurant?

Secondly, I'm one board exam away from becoming a licensed pharmacist. I got my shit (almost) sorted. So no, macho, I'd be weeding men out who want stuff from me.

So, if you want to weed out women and get an ego boost, try going for women with no careers or low paying careers.

You obviously didn't read the first post. This wasn't a first date. First date was a beer and if I was that of a gold digger, it wouldn't get past first date.

Relax now.

Secondly, I'm complaining on this forum. I didn't complain to him. I simply politely declined his next invite.

Look guys, if you're trying to weed out gold diggers, rest assured, they won't be meeting up with you for coffee or $10 cocktails.

Ill withhold my personal opinion of this thread and just issue a reminder to everyone instead: keep it civil.

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Congrats on your pharm license. Those rotations are a pain in the ass.


Now how is that an ego boost that I weed out women who don't like me for me ?


I think everyone on this board can agree that they would LOVE to have a woman who likes them for them. Not because of anything else like cars, money, washboard abs or for their careers. Wouldn't you want that for yourself as well ?

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