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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2016 3:18 pm 
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Okay so to keep you guys up to date... I've encountered a problem.

She wants to break up with her boyfriend, but she doesn't dare. We've had endless conversations about this, she made up her mind, but it's hard for her to break up with him. I've made her realize that her boyfriend's character and vision on the future doesn't match hers, and mine does, but somehow she still loves him (can't blame her, she wouldn't have wound up in a relationship with him if she didn't love him in the first place).

So like... any advice right now? She's off skiing with a friend for the weekend, she said she'll think about what to do with this whole situation during the weekend and that she'll make up her mind next week.

What can I do in the meanwhile? Should I lay back and wait it off? Should I prepare some questions about why she likes spending time with me rather than with her own boyfriend? I'm really wondering what my next move should be, or if I should let her make the move. I'm crazy about this girl and don't want her to choose her boyfriend over me.

I'm well aware that if she breaks up with him, it'll take some time for her to get into a new relationship. But she already told me that she likes me more than she likes a normal friend and wants us to keep hanging out, kissing, etc. Basically the same stuff couples do, the only problem I encounter right now is the fact that she can't ditch her lousy boyfriend for some reason.


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Do nothing. The more you try to lock her down, the more she'll look for reasons why it's a bad idea.

Even if she wants you and not him, people will do more to avoid pain than they will to gain pleasure - she'll stay with him if she knows you'll still be there, because it's just easier and less painful.

You can either stay how you are but stop asking her shit and hounding her, or you can tell her to get in touch when she figures out what she wants, and then don't contact her until she contacts you (spend this time focusing on yourself and other women)

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Do nothing. The more you try to lock her down, the more she'll look for reasons why it's a bad idea.

Even if she wants you and not him, people will do more to avoid pain than they will to gain pleasure - she'll stay with him if she knows you'll still be there, because it's just easier and less painful.

You can either stay how you are but stop asking her shit and hounding her, or you can tell her to get in touch when she figures out what she wants, and then don't contact her until she contacts you (spend this time focusing on yourself and other women)

Good luck.
Yep.

Guaranteed this guy's gonna scare her away.


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Do nothing. The more you try to lock her down, the more she'll look for reasons why it's a bad idea.

Even if she wants you and not him, people will do more to avoid pain than they will to gain pleasure - she'll stay with him if she knows you'll still be there, because it's just easier and less painful.

You can either stay how you are but stop asking her shit and hounding her, or you can tell her to get in touch when she figures out what she wants, and then don't contact her until she contacts you (spend this time focusing on yourself and other women)

Good luck.
Yep.

Guaranteed this guy's gonna scare her away.
It makes me feel bad, cause I've been in his situation. I know what it's like to think to yourself "Nah, he doesn't understand my situation. This is different to any situation he's known. She's unique. This is fucking LOVE. I can't just do NOTHING when I've got a girl like this. I have to make sure she wants me" lol. People come here looking for permission from "pick up artists" to do what they've got in mind, the minority who listen to "no, you're wrong, do this instead" are the ones who make the improvements and get the results. I just hope this guy is one of them.

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lol. People come here looking for permission from "pick up artists" to do what they've got in mind, the minority who listen to "no, you're wrong, do this instead" are the ones who make the improvements and get the results. I just hope this guy is one of them.
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It makes me feel bad, cause I've been in his situation. I know what it's like to think to yourself "Nah, he doesn't understand my situation. This is different to any situation he's known. She's unique. This is fucking LOVE. I can't just do NOTHING when I've got a girl like this. I have to make sure she wants me" lol. People come here looking for permission from "pick up artists" to do what they've got in mind, the minority who listen to "no, you're wrong, do this instead" are the ones who make the improvements and get the results. I just hope this guy is one of them.
Yeah you're probably right. So that's what I did during the weekend and she ended up texting me yesterday evening, asking me about my weekend and telling me that she thought about the whole situation and really wants to break up with her boyfriend because she feels so much more comfortable with me. So I'm seeing her at her place in a day or 2 and I'm curious about what will happen :)


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Nice. The important thing now is to keep letting her come to you at her own speed ok? DON'T try to rush it. Women are like cats, men are like dogs.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 8:47 pm 
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So as I promised I wanted to leave a comment as to what happened next.

Story summarized:
I fell in love with an HB9 that had a boyfriend, I desperately wanted her for myself so I played my game.
She ended up breaking up with him last week, because he didn't give her nearly as much attention as she wanted + they didn't share the same perspective on the future.

So now we're still dating and it's going rather good, she already texted me that she would like to have sex with me when we have the chance to do so (not that easy since we still both live at our parental home).

All she's asking for us to be officially together is 'time'. Time to get to know me and my not-so-positive sides better, and time to find out if I'm really what she's looking for.


Any advice or tips on what to do, how to act in the near future?
I'm guessing your replies will be "act natural, she likes you" and "give it some time, she'll be yours" and I'm totally fine with that...
BUT I'm still learning and I'm very interested in the psychological way of thinking of women, so what I'm really after is some replies that can set my mind into a new learning process.


PS: J.Daniels, your tips turned out to be really helpful! I listened to your "no, you're wrong, do this instead" and I turned out to improve and get good results. That's what I meant with getting some actual useful advice and get sucked into a new learning process.


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Focus on your life. Make sure you're always setting goals for yourself and not making her your goal. She should always come second to your vision for your future. Whatever you're passionate about, it should be above her. Remember that you should always be trying to improve yourself and become the best possible version of yourself, for YOU and not to impress a woman.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 10, 2016 6:20 pm 
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First of all i should say that you should not trust her for relationship. Do not forget if someone is in relationship with someone cheating his/her GF or BF, that means she is capable to cheat you too when you are in relationship with her. So next thing, i would possible say,

The words can not define what i want to see you, let my actions show..

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First of all i should say that you should not trust her for relationship. Do not forget if someone is in relationship with someone cheating his/her GF or BF, that means she is capable to cheat you too when you are in relationship with her. So next thing, i would possible say,

The words can not define what i want to see you, let my actions show..

I honestly feel the urge to punch people in the face when they write shit like this.

Everyone is capable of cheating at any fucking time. This is not a damn patternable behavior. She will cheat if the relationship becomes lacking, and that's simply due to the fact that the relationship itself has already ended in her mind.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 1:53 pm 
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First of all i should say that you should not trust her for relationship. Do not forget if someone is in relationship with someone cheating his/her GF or BF, that means she is capable to cheat you too when you are in relationship with her. So next thing, i would possible say,

The words can not define what i want to see you, let my actions show..

I honestly feel the urge to punch people in the face when they write shit like this.

Everyone is capable of cheating at any fucking time. This is not a damn patternable behavior. She will cheat if the relationship becomes lacking, and that's simply due to the fact that the relationship itself has already ended in her mind.
You're 4 times more likely to be cheated on by somebody who has cheated in the past than somebody who hasn't. It's kinda patternable and predictable because some women are just sluts lol. Also, the relationship will always be lacking in comparison to what she could have with some guy, somewhere. What if Justin Timberlake comes along? No matter how good something is, women are human, they get used to it - the relationship will become "normal" to her. Once something becomes normal, it's not hard to take it for granted and see other things as better even if they're not.

I don't think any of us can convince eachother, because we're both 90% right. But there are things that need to be considered:

In studies, more than 1/3 of cheating women rated their marriage as "happy" or "very happy" and 44% of women cheated just because they found the other person attractive. Only 20% cheated because they wanted to feel desirable. If 80% of women didn't feel the need to be desired, it's probably because they already were. Doesn't sound to me like their guy was fucking up.

People who cheat the most (this is fucking weird, but I'm just pasting parts of the study):

- Women whose boyfriends have a big dick

- Men who have big balls (lol, that's me and I cheat a lot... but that sounds fuckin' weird. Must be something hormonal? Surely?)

- Narcissists

- People whose parents cheated (I know a girl whose parents cheated on people with eachother, and she's cheated on every single guy, ever. Same kind of applies to me but less)

- People who have the "cheating gene" - the so called cheating gene is the "vasopressor receptor gene"

- Men with deeper voices (again, must be something hormonal surely)

It goes without saying that it'd take a lot less for some women to cheat than others. I mean sure most women will cheat on an emotional level, in the sense that they'll stay with a guy way past the point of falling out of love with him and they'll start to like somebody else... but >80% of men think physical cheating is worse than emotional cheating.

It's fairly patternable when you consider genetic, hormonal aspects. Most pick up artists cheat on girls that they're happy with, also.

OP, it's up to you. One option is taking a pretty big risk, but the other option is getting considerably less women. RC is right that you can stop a woman cheating if your game is on point, but is it? I mean, if Adam Lyons got cheated on...granted Adam Lyons treated her like he was a 40 year old virgin with his first girlfriend, though.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 11, 2016 2:48 pm 
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I know your position on the topic JD yet I still don't agree with it.

Even if you're right, being more likely to be cheated on doesn't make the concept of "once a cheater always a cheater" a valid argument. Obviously it's "more likely". Just like the dog that bites for the first time. Is he more likely to bite again compared to the dog that never bit? Yes, obviously. Can you say that once it bit it will always bite? No. You obviously cannot. And it may very well never bite again.

Furthermore, Justin Timberlake doesn't just come along. Just like you don't just win the lottery. The probability of extraordinary outcomes is way too low to be of any relevance. And even if that were the case, JT's celeb status brings a lot of shit to the table that you have to deal with. Women won't simply jump on his dick because. Again, are they more likely to? yes. Is it an absolute truth that they will? no.

Also when I usually give advice on this forum I never consider sluts. If you come here asking for advice on how to make this girl a gf and are oblivious to the blatantly obvious character traits a slut displays, then maybe you deserve being cheated on.
Just like I'd deserve being mauled to death because if I were too stupid to realize the dangers of punching a bear in the face.

So yeah, we're both right depending on the angle from which you're viewing this issue. My problem is simply related to the bad judgement of generalization. Whether or not a girl ever cheated is not, in and of itself a defining factor in regards to whether or not she will cheat again, or on you for that matter.

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