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Zip - this is a question from a pivot of mine. The downside of her knowing all about pickup and helping me out is she occasionally comes to me for relationship advice. I look after my pivots, I'm a protective fella; at the same time, I don't claim to be an expert on sarging dudes. So here goes:
She is living in university halls. One of her best friends (call him K) spends a lot of time with her - stays in her room 'till 4am, does her grocery shopping, gives her gifts, everything. But K has a girlfriend. And at some point, he mentioned that cheating on her is one of the two things he'd never do.
Now, way I see it - he is interested because the IOIs are there, but he's a catholic guy, so he probably needs to justify his behavior somehow (convince himself that staying in her room till sunrise is something guys do with women they are not romantically interested in).
So the question goes: how does she get him? Are there girlfriend-destroyer patterns?
I told her to do a compliance test (put his hand on her knee, see if he leaves it there); then ask if a platonic friendship between a guy and a woman is even possible (K doesnt think so). Then move on to something along the lines of:
"You know, it's kinda strange... I mean, don't get me wrong... I know you have a girlfriend... but it is 4am, we're still talking here in my room... don't you think it's slightly strange?"
And then observe the reaction. I pray to 'the patron saint of pickup artists and guys trying to get nookie everywhere' that she doesn't pussy out in the crucial moment. Whaddya think of said plan of action? I have no clue how to game guys, so I might be COMPLETELY wrong about this.
Which leads me to the second point: does guy game exist? Can I give the same advice I give other PUAs to my pivots, or do VERY different rules apply? I know that if I am not physically attracted to a woman there's very little she can do - I know I can have both looks and personality, why settle for just the personality? But, in your experience, does the average Joe think like me?
If I missed something or you need more detail, PM me. I think those are fairly interesting questions, and some of the guys here can't wait to hear your perspective on Guy Game...
Now this is the good stuff!
Guy game and Girl game is relatively similar enough during the first few days. Long term, intrigue, 007 girl game is VASTLY different in practice than long term guy game.
I highly suggest you tell your pivot to read "The Art of Seduction" by Robert Greene. It has a bunch of different "characters" that I personally use and mix with my own personality in long term game.
Right now, I'm running a boyfriend destroyer on someone I've been working on for almost two years. Just as a side project. Remember, for women, withholding sex is one of the most powerful tools we have at our disposal. I'm not talking about being a tease, I'm talking about not being easy. I'm talking about slowly building a sexual frame to the subtle point that he takes it on and thinks it is his own. There is a fine line.
With your pivot's particular situation, it's hard to tell her exactly what to do because I don't know what kind of natural charm she's running with him. I don't know the tone of their conversations, and that's a HUGE factor in girl game. Is there any sexual frame? Is there sexual tension? Is there constant and accelerating vibing?
Have her try your suggestion. It's a bit blunt, but maybe getting real on him is exactly what this chump needs. Just make sure it comes after they've shared something deeply emotional or gone through some deep rapport. THEN she can drop that. He's gotta be open for it to work. They've got to feel TOTALLY alone and he has to have guard down.
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