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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:33 pm 
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You're still playing victim?

Who hasn't "mocked" you on this post.. You've made a mockery of your self by "bitching and moaning(in my poeticlyskuac voice)" when you've put little to no effort in the very thing you're bitching about.

You're about to be a forum leader in a few more post; I'd like to think that title comes with some responsibility.

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Please stop using movies as examples of game. For the love of God

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 11:25 pm 
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Stop mocking him Pebble. He'll blame me for it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:59 am 
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You're still playing victim?

Who hasn't "mocked" you on this post.. You've made a mockery of your self by "bitching and moaning(in my poeticlyskuac voice)" when you've put little to no effort in the very thing you're bitching about.
Little to no effort... right. No. Just no. I haven't done one specific thing up to your standards. I have put a lot of effort into other areas.

You, specifically, write articles about getting women to approach you just based on attitude. Articles which make it sound very much like cold approaches aren't the only way to go, and then you mock people for not going and doing that specific task.

The reality is I didn't feel mocked by poeticlyskuac. Yes, he may have pointed out I was bitching and moaning... but he didn't try to make it sound like I was an idiot with nothing to offer because I hadn't met some metric.
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You're about to be a forum leader in a few more post; I'd like to think that title comes with some responsibility.
Seriously? Seems like that'd be something that's granted not just gotten by post count. That said, I have no idea what your point is. I do know some things and try to help out where I can. I'm no expert and never claim to be, but when half the people around here are just saying "approach more" and "drop that chick" anyway I don't think you exactly need a degree in PUA to pitch in.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:01 am 
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Please stop using movies as examples of game. For the love of God
A) I didn't.
B) The TV show I used is very closely backed up by an article by Eddie.Fews, which almost exactly describes how the character gets the attention from women that he does.

Maybe Eddie wrote it after watching too much Californication...


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I don't think you exactly need a degree in PUA to pitch in.
It's a certification

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:31 am 
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I don't think you exactly need a degree in PUA to pitch in.
It's a certification

LOL... Guess I should go work on that then... ;)

How many posts before I'm forum leader? I'll try to hold off while I get the cert...


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 2:32 am 
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Your lack of experience clearly represents your complete misinterpretation of the article.

Every one with any actual experience in this department raved and backed the article. It is only the pathetic "somebody do it for me, because I'm too bitchy and moany to do it for myself" character that seem to point fingers at it.

Just go check the comments on the forum post. Check the comments on the original article on my site. Check all the PUA Facebook groups in full agreement.

You're pointing out one aspect of the article and disregarding the nature of what it was actually about. Which was holding yourself and the women in your life to higher standards.

And that was 1 article, i've written hundreds. On my site, wayoftheplayer, Elite Daily, the trent, masculine up and more. And books.

Get over yourself. You make yourself sound like the idiot, no ones making you sound like anything, stop blaming other people for your own self presentation. Take some responsibility for once in your life. Stop casting blame on other people and some will actually respect you enough to take you serious. I'm highly revered and respected on this forum for a reason.

The flaw is within you and not within the person you're trying to point the finger at.

When you actually begin taking responsibility for your life and get some actual experience prehaps you'll wake up and apologize. Until then.. I'll let you wallow in your misery. I won't be commenting or addressing you on this forum again.

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Your lack of experience clearly represents your complete misinterpretation of the article.

Every one with any actual experience in this department raved and backed the article. It is only the pathetic "somebody do it for me, because I'm too bitchy and moany to do it for myself" character that seem to point fingers at it.
Ah but see... that's where you're casting aspersions. I never "pointed fingers at it" except as an example of how I'd like my life to be. I liked the article. I want to be what it describes.

But you call me "pathetic." For believing your article.
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You're pointing out one aspect of the article and disregarding the nature of what it was actually about. Which was holding yourself and the women in your life to higher standards.
Are you confusing the article I linked to the post you made here? The one I linked had nothing about standards, it was just about not seeing women as goddesses. The post you made here, which I referenced back in my first post, was about standards... but again, even in that post you talked about how women would come to you.

Yet your only advice for a guy who wants the women to come to him is to do lots of cold approaches, which requires a different mindset right? Approaching and telling a woman "I think she's beautiful" (another of your articles) is different than "feel(ing) absolutely nothing on the inside when a 10 out of 10 hottie walks by you on the street?" Isn't it?
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And that was 1 article, i've written hundreds. On my site, wayoftheplayer, Elite Daily, the trent, masculine up and more. And books.

Get over yourself.
Sure you have, and I've read quite a few of them. Certainly not all. I have to point out though, this sounds like pure self-aggrandizing ego. Get over yourself indeed.
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You make yourself sound like the idiot, no ones making you sound like anything, stop blaming other people for your own self presentation. Take some responsibility for once in your life. Stop casting blame on other people and some will actually respect you enough to take you serious. I'm highly revered and respected on this forum for a reason.
Probably not for calling people pathetic though. That said where did I blame anyone? I said I needed more help than the current consensus of the forum is providing. Poeticlyskuyac, PEBBLE, DA and others have attempted to provide some of that help. You've insulted me and tried to tear me down for daring to question you.
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The flaw is within you and not within the person you're trying to point the finger at.
Sure, I'm flawed. I'm asking for help to fix that.
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When you actually begin taking responsibility for your life and get some actual experience prehaps you'll wake up and apologize. Until then.. I'll let you wallow in your misery. I won't be commenting or addressing you on this forum again.

Be well.
And again... two therapists, exercising, trying to eat better, going through PUA programs... I am taking responsibility. I'm just pointing out that maybe "do more cold approaches" and "have an abundance mentality" isn't enough help for those of us who are struggling. You certainly don't need to help more if you don't want to, but certainly I don't see why you need to tear someone down for pointing out that some of us need more help.

Especially when we just want what you describe in your writing and it seems to conflict with cold approaching.


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@ OP -- if you're serious about working towards realizing your dreams, I would begin to think about the first steps in making constructive measurable goals as it may be helpful towards becoming who you want to be. For myself at least, I take comfort in knowing that my past pays its dividends today yet at the same time we are never our self, even in this moment, as moments pass. And that's a blandly beautiful reality, one where we can decide to change our lives this moment. I hate to interrupt your misguided group berratement but would like to offer you an easier path towards getting where you need. Pull out a piece of paper and write down a few goals.


* Ever see the gym-rats pumping iron and then jotting notes in their journals ? As a former competitive athlete I can attest to you that goal setting is nothing foreign to success, although I have to admit that applying it to pick-up was interesting, helpful, and probably something I should have done earlier on.
I apologize if anyone took this as a beratement. I don't think anyone here deserves to be berated...

Some goals sounds like a good idea. For now how about 5 approaches by Sunday? (I know that's nothing near what most here think I should be doing, but it's a lot for me.)


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But Eddie is correct though.

You don't take action with people being nice to you so maybe he is trying the tough love thing with you?

What you don't realise is that he has spent a lot of time typing up advice that you just don't won't turn into action for you.

You think telling someone to "just approach" is bad advice. I know it seems too simple but approaching will make you self correct along the way and you will come across new sticking points, but still a progression though. You just don't want to do it because you don't want to get rejected.

You just have AA which is normal but you make it out like you have some unique disability.

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I've been busy focusing on other things going on in my life.

Majority of it which...is posting on this forum evidently ...*you ungrateful fuckers! You know who you are...*

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 1:21 am 
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You should just be yourself.

As someone asked the question in discussion before ask yourself why are you doing the pickup ?

Luckily this didn't happen to me at the day I was starting with this,but I got rejected around 15 times out of 20 sets I opened that night with my friend with each set just raising my confidence and each rejection made me even happier .

If you've been doing this for a while and you are getting rejected only,then you should start from the begin.

I'm sorry if I wrote something wrong since I wasn't reading a lot of discussion ,I know I just joined here and you don't have to listen me but I just thought of sharing my point of view.


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Hey man, i hope you are still reading this!

Just read through some of the things you wrote, and i must admit i can partly relate to what you're saying.
I think you're ex might have been a narcissist or sociopath, and that you in turn are very co-dependent. I myself have gotten out of a relationship that was absolutely crazy, lasted 3 years, and another year on and off since i broke off with a stunningly beautiful but absolutely bat shit crazy daddy type issues girl, and i can truly relate when you write that one of your exes is absolutely evil. The thing that makes me think we had the same type of issues is you writing that you tried to break up with her for 2 years. I had the same, i tried to break it off for 1 year, but still let her in my life every time, often not being aware of the whole thing. And its a Pussy thing, i mean you break up or you don't, who takes a fucking year to break up right?

What i think you need, is to look into some psychology theory first, really understand the dynamics of your past relationship, because before that is resolved, humping new girls will atleast make you feel accomplished, but at the same time it won't make you whole, or remove this bitterness you are feeling. I also had a bad- and i mean fucked up nasty brutal bad breakup, walked around like a victim like you for a long time, and its only now that i am realising my own accountability and enabling in the whole ordeal.

You're body and physiology are probably completely Jacked from your previous relationship, Your system excreting lots of stress hormones and shit, your body basically being in a fight or flight mode, this is what depression does with you.

Thus you might need different approaches and tools then "just go talk to woman". Women want someone who understands himself first, and then and only then can you come to understand them. How can you even attempt to feel the needs of a woman, if you can't even honour and feel your own. You are looking for a woman to fill a void, which none of them can, which is why none of them bothers trying. Stop needing them to fill the void, and they will start appearing in all cracks and corners of the earth, trust me.

You need to do some serious digging into your own (i hypothesise codependent) issues, and the rage you most likely feel against the world for it not responding to your wishes after being so kind to it.

Look up some Material by Sam vaknin, SpartanLifecoach, Ross rosenberg on youtube, they talk about narcissism and codependents and why they match so well from different angles and it might help create insight into your previous relationship, and why you went in it, and what it did to you. And be brutally honest man. You can't run away from this, you gotta go through it. When you understand this complex dynamic more, i believe you can come to accept it, and come to accept yourself and all that has happened, which will shine through in ALL YOUR INTERACTIONS. Because you can once again be yourself more, and not attempt to be this superstar stud with stability and a nice car, but absolutely no sense of identity. Desperately attempting to cover up the fact that you feel like you are living some kind of fucked up movie gone wrong, a big secret that no one can know. Unfortunately, woman are way more in tune with their feelings and emotions, and INSTANTLY sniff out a guy who is not, by everything you sub-communicate.

also, you can have debates and try and convince people of whatever shit on here, how tough or not tough it was, it really doesn't matter, we will never know, and trust me, you probably did have it absolutely horrible, but YOU HAVE TO COME 2 TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT YOU LET IT HAPPEN. The caveat being that it was most likely subconscious, so culpability can be debated, but it nevertheless remains YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
(this is me trying to show you how you and eddie's arguments come together, and you can both be considered "right").

So seriously, start doing your therapeutic work way more seriously, Look into yourself, really examine all these things with your therapists, make the subconscious relationship patterns, from your family home, mirrored and continued by your relationships so far (the internal dialogue), conscious, and start discarding them. Its literally old software, installed by your parents that is not serving you, the sooner you realize, the faster you grow. Then the women will be easy, since you can feel and understand yourself, and in turn they can start to feel you.

I wrote a lot of stuff, hopefully it makes sense. I really believe (or assume) part of our history might have been similar, so please look into those youtube sources and dig deep into yourself, woman are easy after that, they just want a man who loves and knows himself, so they can join the ride. So my advice would be primarily to UNDERSTAND, to feel. You said you find it hard to journal, journal about how YOU FEEL. That is ALL that matters man. Get back in touch with your feeling first, then go and approach woman. don't turn it around and go and approach woman hoping they will make you feel, for it will never happen. I am not as destitute with woman as you, and have slept with roughly 1 on average girl a month in the year i was breaking up with my ex 13 total, and although sex is nice, it does not fill the void. I actually started becoming more numb because of all the PUA "just go get laid bullshit advice out here".

Thats why i might partly disagree with the standard advice here, and took the time to write it up. try to imagine yourself in your depressive state as a rock, devoid of feelings, desperately trying to appear on the radar of girls, well good luck without being able to access your own feelings correctly.

Once you start feeling, you will blip on their radar like a submarine, having them think "hmm, who's that guy, he seems in touch with himself, thats interesting". So Really, get IN TOUCH WITH YOUR FEELINGS, That will make you get laid any day of any week of any fucking year. So last time, understand your past, what installed the programs, the relationships you sought out, what patterns you subconsciously recreate, then consciously change them by approaching life in a new and loving and most importantly FEELING WAY, and then you can walk up to girls and be a PUA ARTIST badass you always wanted to be, and the best part, you might not even want it anymore, you might meet that one sweet girl and have an awesome relationship, and you will have the power to choose. May you have luck, and always remember, knowledge is only potential power, only through action, does it become so. So first get your knowledge sorted, then start getting comfortable around people being YOU, With all that it includes, and then you can happily approach girls and get results and numbers and dates and sex and goodies etc etc etc.


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Hey man, i hope you are still reading this!

Just read through some of the things you wrote, and i must admit i can partly relate to what you're saying.
I think you're ex might have been a narcissist or sociopath, and that you in turn are very co-dependent. I myself have gotten out of a relationship that was absolutely crazy, lasted 3 years, and another year on and off since i broke off with a stunningly beautiful but absolutely bat shit crazy daddy type issues girl, and i can truly relate when you write that one of your exes is absolutely evil. The thing that makes me think we had the same type of issues is you writing that you tried to break up with her for 2 years. I had the same, i tried to break it off for 1 year, but still let her in my life every time, often not being aware of the whole thing. And its a Pussy thing, i mean you break up or you don't, who takes a fucking year to break up right?

What i think you need, is to look into some psychology theory first, really understand the dynamics of your past relationship, because before that is resolved, humping new girls will atleast make you feel accomplished, but at the same time it won't make you whole, or remove this bitterness you are feeling. I also had a bad- and i mean fucked up nasty brutal bad breakup, walked around like a victim like you for a long time, and its only now that i am realising my own accountability and enabling in the whole ordeal.

You're body and physiology are probably completely Jacked from your previous relationship, Your system excreting lots of stress hormones and shit, your body basically being in a fight or flight mode, this is what depression does with you.

Thus you might need different approaches and tools then "just go talk to woman". Women want someone who understands himself first, and then and only then can you come to understand them. How can you even attempt to feel the needs of a woman, if you can't even honour and feel your own. You are looking for a woman to fill a void, which none of them can, which is why none of them bothers trying. Stop needing them to fill the void, and they will start appearing in all cracks and corners of the earth, trust me.

You need to do some serious digging into your own (i hypothesise codependent) issues, and the rage you most likely feel against the world for it not responding to your wishes after being so kind to it.

Look up some Material by Sam vaknin, SpartanLifecoach, Ross rosenberg on youtube, they talk about narcissism and codependents and why they match so well from different angles and it might help create insight into your previous relationship, and why you went in it, and what it did to you. And be brutally honest man. You can't run away from this, you gotta go through it. When you understand this complex dynamic more, i believe you can come to accept it, and come to accept yourself and all that has happened, which will shine through in ALL YOUR INTERACTIONS. Because you can once again be yourself more, and not attempt to be this superstar stud with stability and a nice car, but absolutely no sense of identity. Desperately attempting to cover up the fact that you feel like you are living some kind of fucked up movie gone wrong, a big secret that no one can know. Unfortunately, woman are way more in tune with their feelings and emotions, and INSTANTLY sniff out a guy who is not, by everything you sub-communicate.

also, you can have debates and try and convince people of whatever shit on here, how tough or not tough it was, it really doesn't matter, we will never know, and trust me, you probably did have it absolutely horrible, but YOU HAVE TO COME 2 TERMS WITH THE FACT THAT YOU LET IT HAPPEN. The caveat being that it was most likely subconscious, so culpability can be debated, but it nevertheless remains YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.
(this is me trying to show you how you and eddie's arguments come together, and you can both be considered "right").

So seriously, start doing your therapeutic work way more seriously, Look into yourself, really examine all these things with your therapists, make the subconscious relationship patterns, from your family home, mirrored and continued by your relationships so far (the internal dialogue), conscious, and start discarding them. Its literally old software, installed by your parents that is not serving you, the sooner you realize, the faster you grow. Then the women will be easy, since you can feel and understand yourself, and in turn they can start to feel you.

I wrote a lot of stuff, hopefully it makes sense. I really believe (or assume) part of our history might have been similar, so please look into those youtube sources and dig deep into yourself, woman are easy after that, they just want a man who loves and knows himself, so they can join the ride. So my advice would be primarily to UNDERSTAND, to feel. You said you find it hard to journal, journal about how YOU FEEL. That is ALL that matters man. Get back in touch with your feeling first, then go and approach woman. don't turn it around and go and approach woman hoping they will make you feel, for it will never happen. I am not as destitute with woman as you, and have slept with roughly 1 on average girl a month in the year i was breaking up with my ex 13 total, and although sex is nice, it does not fill the void. I actually started becoming more numb because of all the PUA "just go get laid bullshit advice out here".

Thats why i might partly disagree with the standard advice here, and took the time to write it up. try to imagine yourself in your depressive state as a rock, devoid of feelings, desperately trying to appear on the radar of girls, well good luck without being able to access your own feelings correctly.

Once you start feeling, you will blip on their radar like a submarine, having them think "hmm, who's that guy, he seems in touch with himself, thats interesting". So Really, get IN TOUCH WITH YOUR FEELINGS, That will make you get laid any day of any week of any fucking year. So last time, understand your past, what installed the programs, the relationships you sought out, what patterns you subconsciously recreate, then consciously change them by approaching life in a new and loving and most importantly FEELING WAY, and then you can walk up to girls and be a PUA ARTIST badass you always wanted to be, and the best part, you might not even want it anymore, you might meet that one sweet girl and have an awesome relationship, and you will have the power to choose. May you have luck, and always remember, knowledge is only potential power, only through action, does it become so. So first get your knowledge sorted, then start getting comfortable around people being YOU, With all that it includes, and then you can happily approach girls and get results and numbers and dates and sex and goodies etc etc etc.
If you followed this advice you'll get setbacked for more than a decade. Here are my reasons why:

1. You're already too much about feelings. You don't need MORE feelings. If something isn't working for you, why should you intensify it some more instead of changing your approach? On the other hand, you haven't taken that much action yet.

2. If you're already seeing a therapist and it's not working, it's only logical to try 2 or 3 different other therapists. After seeing 3 other therapists and therapy still isn't working, then maybe you need to try other SPAM aside from therapy.

For instance, I have a +60 year old woman neighbor who suffered a bad fall. The first doctor said she needs surgery so he can drill 8 metal nails in her broken spine.

I said, "Fuck that. 30+ year-old Jesus Christ only had 3 nails hammered at his hands and feet and he squirmed in pain and died a slow death on the cross. You're a 60+ year-old woman who yammer profanities every morning. What makes you think you can do better than the Messiah who prays to God on the regular?"

She got a second opinion.

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