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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:25 am 
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FOCUSSES

Learn to defuse AMOGs better
Conversation threading for better convo (Unfazed)
The convo topics don't matter: it's all in the delivery (Unfazed)
Get online game material to translate into real life
Get out of own head - stop worrying if people are judging me
Lots of numbers = lots of results
Text something interesting, better yet, don't text - call, because it shows balls
Buy girls shit...or maybe don't buy girls shit
Control the logistics of an approach better - get them to stop and talk to you


Made some more night game approaches but hardly worth mentioning all the flakes, typical same old bs. I'm trying to be more original/inventive in my approaches but it's just not coming across. Also approach anxiety is seriously starting to diminish - eventually I'm just gonna start being more explicitly sexual because I'm just getting to the stage where I no longer give a shit. Seriously, I'm not even that scared of guys trying to fight me anymore, I just don't care.

Anyways, I posted this on another thread but I'll recapitulate...

I've gotta question for the more fearless PUAs on board. How often do you walk around before approaching? I've done shit loads of cold approaches, but I always feel I've got to walk around to ease the nerves. It sounds weird, I know but I figure this way less people notice what I'm doing - especially if I'm approaching in different locations - and fewer girls notice me getting blown out. When all the girls in one location see you get blown out, they're more likely to blow you out too. Plus I'm spending a lot of time walking around looking for girls that are easy to approach logistically speaking - e.g. they aren't with a boyfriend.

Is this a good idea, or should I just man up and approach more often without pussy footing around, trying to keep a low profile? Does walking around a lot make me look beta/weak? Does it give off a creepy aura? I'm mainly just trying to be calculated in my approaches.


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 Post subject: Re: JHA91's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 12:40 pm 
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Buy girls shit...or maybe don't buy girls shit
I actually got something useful for you there. Usually you shouldnt buy a girl you dont know anything.
However, I have developped body language in club game enough to try this succesfully.
Me: Hey there, want to play a game?
Her 3 responses: Huh? / Depends / Yes!
Me: Ok, here is how it works (strong eye contact with a slight smile). We will both get to the bar and try to buy a drink. The winner is whoever gets the drink first, the loser has to buy the winner a shot.

If she responds positive it's on! The better your body language, the more chance you have to win this.
I win this about 70% of the time. If she wins she gets a free drink, but you can laugh about it and tease her that she cheated (! playfully, do not be a sore loser !). If you win, you can go into playful conversation right away. There is a chance she will just walk away after getting her drink, try not to let her do that. If she walks away it means you did something wrong along the way, usually in terms of body language.

Tips for winning:
- Place your hands on the bar, but do not lean in too much. It is about exuding confidence and making eye contact.
- Smile when the bartender looks your way.
- Take up space, just like being an alpha male, you need space.

Other than in gambits as these, you do not buy a girl you dont know anything. It shows low status if you do, in terms of compensating.

This specific routine is not just about talking to girls. It should specifically be good for you, because you need to focus on body language in order to win.
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I've gotta question for the more fearless PUAs on board. How often do you walk around before approaching? I've done shit loads of cold approaches, but I always feel I've got to walk around to ease the nerves. It sounds weird, I know but I figure this way less people notice what I'm doing - especially if I'm approaching in different locations - and fewer girls notice me getting blown out. When all the girls in one location see you get blown out, they're more likely to blow you out too.
The answer is to just approach anyone, including guys. Walking around usually gets noticed, which has the risk of making you look creepy. You dont want creepy. You want to be the fun guy that everyone wants to hang out with. Talking with guys isnt a waste of time, since the social proof will increase your value.

I like your journal!
Slight improvements all the time. Stop saying sorry though :wink:


edit: added something about the walking around.

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 Post subject: Re: JHA91's Journal
PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:15 pm 
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I actually got something useful for you there. Usually you shouldnt buy a girl you dont know anything...

Tips for winning:
- Place your hands on the bar, but do not lean in too much. It is about exuding confidence and making eye contact.
- Smile when the bartender looks your way.
- Take up space, just like being an alpha male, you need space.
Some nice gems there and that is probably the best way to get served in general :P. I was referring to a different context (see GIRLS #4&5) but I will actually apply this stuff when it's relevant.
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The answer is to just approach anyone, including guys. Walking around usually gets noticed, which has the risk of making you look creepy. You dont want creepy. You want to be the fun guy that everyone wants to hang out with. Talking with guys isnt a waste of time, since the social proof will increase your value.
Haha I meant for day game. That said I probably need to be being more active in both types of game.

Anyways, I pussied out of making any approaches today but I've got a new approach format figured out. In the future I'm looking to make at least one of each of the following type of approaches:

APPROACH FORMAT 19/04/2015

Everyday, open at least one of the following:
- Girls with headphones (need to figure out a line and a way to get the attention of these kind of girls)
- Girls with a male friend (just go up to the girl and say are you going out with this guy. If "yes", eject from set; if "no", proceed with line. Simples)
- Girls with female friend (engage female friend a little bit but focus attention and open the girl you are primarily interested in).
- "Hey, how are you" opener (sometimes simplicity works best.)
- Compliment opener ("I like that necklace...did you make it yourself?"..."I like the style you look like you came straight from D.P.")
- Opinion opener (I'm trying to find opinion openers that actually work and don't sound too cheesy/corny)
- Pick-up lines (I want solid evidence that "pick-up lines don't work" before I will believe it)

LINES TO REMEMBER

GIRL: Sorry I have a boyfriend
ME: Well no worries he can be my boyfriend / No worries, I'm not the jealous type / No worries, I've got a boyfriend too / I've got a goldfish + (optional) .... sorry I thought we were talking about things that don't matter? / No worries, I can be your back up plan...here's my number

GIRL: Yeah...I'm about to meet my friends now
ME: Oh that's cool I can be your friend too. + (optional extra) We can be bestest buddies/BFFL

GIRL: *INSERT RUDE FORM OF REJECTION, NON-VERBAL OR VERBAL*
ME: Sorry, what? You don't speak English? Oh well, no worries.

GIRL: What? Are you out alone? / Why are you out alone?
ME: That's right, flying solo hun / Just here for the dance, the drinks and the gorgeous women *WINK*

GIRL: You're too young / You're too old / How old are you?
ME: That's right, too good looking / That's right, too much experience / Too old/young for you, darling.

NEVER TELL THE GODDAMN TRUTH ABOUT YOUR AGE!

More shit-test defusion here.


I'll probably post this again when I get to page 6.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:34 pm 
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DAYGAME APPROACHES

Ok daygame approaches ... I made 4 or 5 daygame approaches today and to be honest I'm starting to wonder how often I have to get REJECTED before I start getting ACCEPTED. Seriously I'm past the whole hype/limited adrenaline rush you get from thinking,

"oh wow I'm so ballsy for doing these approaches"

I don't care how many people high five me or think I'm the bees knees for talking to strangers any more. I just wanna get RESULTS, it's driving me completely nuts. Just having the balls to approach doesn't impress me. ALMOST being successful doesn't impress me. FLIRTING with girls is fun and all but it's not enough. Anything that doesn't result in some sort of close is a FAILURE, and sorry if that sounds black and white or whatever but that at this point cynicism is the only way forwards. Like Yoda would say,

"Do or do not do, there is no try."

And at the moment I'm NOT doing what I want to be.

I mean are these girls crazy? They can't ALL be in goddamn holy bible matrimony/strict monogamous relationships. It's 21st Century Britain and we live in a Liberal Democracy, so where are all the single girls that just want to have a bit of fun?


In total I've done approximately 40 approaches since I've started this journal. This doesn't include a lot of situations though - for example I might be indirectly flirting with someone (e.g. eye contact with a waitress), or someone might come up to ME and that doesn't count towards my total number of approaches. All in all though, I think a lot less about doing an approach now. There is still pain (emotional) involved but it is no less than the pain (physical) of doing say 50 push-ups or so. I just get out there and do it, consistently. The problem is I'm starting to feel entitled BECAUSE I've done it consistently and feel like I SHOULD be getting results.

Call it a 'negative' attitude but I've gone about this whole thing in a more 'positive'/less entitled way and gotten nowhere different. I seen countless youtube videos of girls immediately saying "yes" to strangers because they're rich, wearing Louis V jewellery and driving lambhorginis so I'm starting to wonder if girls are so innocent and precious as the contemporary feminist media make them out to be. I'm just wondering where those genuine, fun-loving girls are that are comfortable with the fact they like sex and comfortable in their own sexuality.

In fact, I would say that when it comes to sex, I'm more feminist than the feminists. How's that? I don't subscribe to the notion that women are vulnerable assexual victims that need to be pursued relentlessly by male chauvinistic working class types and ensnared by monogamous relationships. Feminists today say that they are against these traditional gender roles but when push comes to shove, that's exactly what they're promoting.

Say what you want about my attitude but you can't deny that there is some truth in it and that the whole situation with women and sex these days is a little fucked up. /END RANT

Anyways a bit of analysis in today's approach, I was feeling a little low energy today so just went for some low profile approaches but trying to keep things interesting, mainly in a non-verbal/flirtatious manner. My line was pretty simple,

"Hey, I just thought you seem kinda cute and had to come over and say hi"

Since that hasn't generated any concrete results (although one girl insisted she would be interested if she wasn't in a relationship. Thing is I've heard that line so often I just don't believe it anymore). Since that hasn't generated any concrete results I'm gonna rethink my strategy and make some night game approaches. See if I can be a little more interesting conversation wise and get some number closes or just take a girl back to mine there and then.

Might also go to a few bars and shit. I don't have to overthink my strategy with guys, just a few simple questions like "what sports team do you support" and I improve my odds of making conversation with strangers and having the social proof necessary to pull a bird. In short I want to put more energy and focus into approaching girls than gathering social proof.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:43 am 
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NIGHT GAME 21/04/2015

Just went out and successful with a number-close. Again, I might get another flake - I know that I made a few mistakes during the interaction and this girl was from another city - but any kind of close is good at this stage in my game. As in, at least I'm getting SOME KIND of result to measure my progress (let's see: 45 approaches roughly speaking and 3 number closes as of tonight). Anyways to start off my night I walked around town as per usual, checking what clubs and pubs had any kind of activity. Approached 4 or 5 girls, got into a few hairy situations, I'm not gonna lie.

I did my first set including a guy. I just went straight up and asked the girl if she was going out with the guy, she said yes but it was obviously a lie because her friend was encouraging her to say "yes". So I 'believed' her and politely ejected. In the future I'll probably persist a bit harder in those kinds of situations, for instance it only occurred to me a moment later that I could have turned around to the friend and said,

"Are you going out with him too?"

If she said

"Yes,"

I could have been like,

"Wow, what a player!"

Or if she said

"No,"

I would have moved on with the line that I planned to open with.

But it is not until I have been in these situations that I know how to deal with them.

Outside one of the night clubs this drunk guy was bothering a bouncer. I simply asked the bouncer how much to get in then thanked him and walked off considering whether to go there later, after that the drunk guy started following ME and trying to make conversation.

Tbh he didn't look like he bring anything much of value as a wing and I would probably do better without him, but I asked his name then, addressing him I told him I was out to get a few ladies and if he would like to be of any assistance. He agreed initially but then started getting weird and tried to grab my arm saying,

"Look mate I'm worried about you."

I remember I just rotated my wrist out being used to guys trying to grab me like this when I'm sparring and lightly touching HIS forearm said, looking at him directly, still smiling,

"Oh are you mate, well that's good to know."

And just walked off. I'm glad he didn't follow me because I probably wouldn't have let him wing me after that. And yeah I know what the risks are on nights out like these but I've actually got a ton of experience going out solo. Not bragging or anything, just saying I know my limits. And this was a guy who was drunk off his face telling me that he was walking around trying to avoid fights with bouncers because they didn't want him in their club anymore, so really I should have been concerned for HIM. But I wasn't because I didn't give a fuck about this lowlife.

I was also walking through a narrow passageway and some black guys started cornering me like they were trying to be my buddies or something. Maybe they were but I wasn't taking any chances with these guys I just high fived one of them at a distance but KEPT my distance walking round them and they were calling me all paranoid and shit saying they were just trying to be my buddies but I really just didn't want to know.

Eventually all these hairy situations out of the way, and a few botched attempts at compliment openers to various attractive women on the high street, I found a club and a friendly couple that were willing to wing me. I didn't ask them initially if they wanted to wing me I just asked them what the scene was like inside the club. They said that they hadn't been in but from what they'd heard it was lively. They suggested we go in together I agreed even though they were more extraverted than me personally and bought them drinks as a friendly gesture.

I told them I was on the pull when they asked why I was clubbing solo and they cheekily suggested to be my wings which I agreed to and then we danced for a bit. I told the guy I was going 'indirect' when he suggested I hit on a few girls but moved in on the dance floor when he suggested a second time. I got flaked on when I did that (which is why I prefer to generally just move at my own pace, I don't really appreciate people making these suggestions) but I later approached the same set at the bar and had better results. I talked first to the girl in a black dress (HB IN BLACK)

ME working hard to get the girls attention as she is turned inwards talking to her friend: Hey I love the black, you know black is a purposeful colour
HER: It's easy
ME panicking slightly because I think she means that it's an easy line to use...which it is: You know the whole look really gives you a business attire
HER: Oh yeah, it does but I mean it's easy to wear as well - you don't have to think to hard about what you're going to put on.
PHEW
ME: So what do you do?
yeah I know, it's the whole "what's your business" route, boring but somewhat important I feel.
HER: Oh, I'm a care support worker.
ME: Oh really you know I did a few workshops in old folks homes working with dementia when I did my degree.
HER: What?
ME: I said I did a few workshops in old folks homes.
HER: Oh, that's nice.
ME trying a different route, seeing if I can bring emotions into the discussion: I bet you must feel passionate about working there.
HER she doesn't seem to understand: Yeah I mean I've got to work like 60 hours
ME working with what I've got: Oh right, well it must feel good to get out once in a while and let your hair down
I resist the temptation to touch her hair at this point but hopefully just talking and looking at her hair would have invoked something sexual

Anyways she get's a drink and I excuse myself to go talk to my new found friends for a bit. I go over and they explain that they are about to leave but they hope I enjoy myself. I shake their hands and then head back over to the bar for a glass of water. At this point I just want something to do without having to be in the centre of the room dancing and without talking to the two girls because I know that they will need a little bit of space.

Once I've finished my drink a song comes on that I like and I go back over to the girls trying to engage them a little non-verbally dancing and singing. I try to engage the other girl (HB IN WHITE DRESS) in the set that I haven't spoken to yet - I ask a few questions tell her I like her tattoo - but she is hard to get a response from. Eventually she says something like,

"Oh sorry, my names XYZ and my social skills aren't terribly brilliant"

or something. I get the impression that she's implying MY social skills aren't terribly brilliant so I just do my best to deflect what she's said without saying anything that could cause offense (just in case I've understood her wrong),

"Oh well that's ok my social skills aren't terribly brilliant we can still talk a little"

HB IN BLACK DRESS seems impressed that I came out with this but fuck it I can't tell, I mean I'm not a mind reader. I sense HB IN WHITE DRESS is going to say something negative so I just keep singing to one of my favourite tunes and eventually she shuts up. It's possible that I could have totally misread this situation but in my mind I played it safe - I mean, I was just dancing and singing a bit not intentionally interrupting her.

In any case, she goes to the toilet and I make an awkward joke to HB IN BLACK DRESS I initially when to speak to,

"Oh what, has your friend abandoned you with the creepy guy at the bar"

And she replies,

"Haha yeah...kinda"

AWKWARD!

She might not have heard the 'creepy guy at the bar' part of the sentence. I hope not.

In any case, she says something like,

"In any case she's a dead end for you, because she's got a boyfriend"

ME: Oh right...what about you, have you got a boyfriend?
HER wiggling her hand a little bit: Not exactly?
ME: Not exactly? I mean I'm not sure whether to believe you ... *this is the line I'm going to use from now on whenever a girl says she has a boyfriend it's the only way to defuse a potential shit test.*
HER: *shaking her hand raising her eyebrow as if to say "maybe, maybe not"*
ME: *raising an eyebrow, shaking my head side to side in non-verbal comical fashion, keeping eye-contact*

Anyways we chew the fat for a bit, the whole time I'm using Richard De La Ruina micro-escalation tips. For instance, when I lean in to speak into her ear, I tilt my face slightly speaking into her ear. This way, I'm keeping eye contact.

...AND IT FUCKING WORKS!

When we're speaking to each other, she's doing the same and there's times that our lips are almost touching. And I'm not even consciously trying to make this happen. I've practice the De La Ruina micro-escalation tips so much I just do it without really thinking about it now.

But then when I realise what is happening, I feel I just want to kiss her there and then, so I just say

"I kinda want to kiss you right now"

Worst thing is, I hesitate a bit. I mean I leaned back away from her first and THEN said it.

She laughs and pushes me off, so it didn't work: I came in too strong. At that moment her friend comes back from the bathroom and drags her away, so in a way, I actually made the right choice. I mean sure, I could have carried on with the micro-escalation trick but the problem is at that point I would have been FORCING IT to happen. And as it happened my window of opportunity was very narrow anyway since HB IN WHITE DRESS was just returning from the bathroom.

They go over to dance for a bit and I'm still sipping my water. I go to a different part of the bar and I notice that there's a SERIOUS shortage of hot women in this club. When I finish my water I just go over and work my way in to the same set I was just talking to, first make eye contact with HB IN WHITE DRESS who is trying to stare me down and then I put my hand on HB IN BLACK DRESS's arm. Leaning in I tell her,

"Listen I've really enjoyed speaking with you tonight, you seem like an interesting kind of girl, I was just wondering if I could get your number"

She says "yes" but she seems hesitant, or I perceive her as hesitant so I make the mistake of asking her,

"Are you sure?"

And then she kind of gives me this look and she's just like,

"Yeah, of course"

So I let her type in her number then a few hours later I send the usual text I send

"Vip number here store with care"

I forgot to add any emoticons, e.g. triple Xs to signify that it's just a joke.

Anyways, right now I just checked my phone and she's texted back already

"Ha what?"

So I'm texting back again

"Guy from XYZ club - black shirt. I'm just kidding with you. How's your night? Xx"

I was tempted to write,

"Sexy guy from XYZ club, etc."

But refrained.


Anyways time for some self-analysis:

CONS:
- Avoid risky situations with other guys better. I was letting those black guys in the passage way get way too close for comfort. It's possible they WERE just being friendly, but I can't be taking these risks. Also that drunk guy from outside the club, I should never have let him walk with me. Even if I went into a club with him, all he would have conveyed was low DHV, even lower DHV than me simply flying solo.
- Be more socially aware. HB IN WHITE DRESS might not have been trying to shit test me at all, it's quite possible I came across as paranoid and damn right insulting.
- Get some better dance moves. I think I probably looked nervey as shit on the dance floor.
- Stop rationalising my mistakes. Reading over everything I wrote, it just sounds like I'm constantly trying to rationalise and provide excuses for every awkward interaction I have. That's something that needs to stop.

PROS:
- I defused some awkward situations successfully.
- I'm glad I took the initiative to buy those guys drinks since they were being friendly enough to give me some of their time (I think!)
- I ended the night with a number and if I play my cards right I can even use this success to contact the girl later tonight and possibly meet up again before she goes back to her city. POSSIBLY.
- In all honesty I don't feel any more awkward about night game than I do about day game anymore. I'm not sure if that's good or bad!


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 1:49 pm 
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I actually got something useful for you there. Usually you shouldnt buy a girl you dont know anything...

Tips for winning:
- Place your hands on the bar, but do not lean in too much. It is about exuding confidence and making eye contact.
- Smile when the bartender looks your way.
- Take up space, just like being an alpha male, you need space.
Some nice gems there and that is probably the best way to get served in general :P. I was referring to a different context (see GIRLS #4&5) but I will actually apply this stuff when it's relevant.
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The answer is to just approach anyone, including guys. Walking around usually gets noticed, which has the risk of making you look creepy. You dont want creepy. You want to be the fun guy that everyone wants to hang out with. Talking with guys isnt a waste of time, since the social proof will increase your value.
Haha I meant for day game. That said I probably need to be being more active in both types of game.

Anyways, I pussied out of making any approaches today but I've got a new approach format figured out. In the future I'm looking to make at least one of each of the following type of approaches:

APPROACH FORMAT 19/04/2015

Everyday, open at least one of the following:
- Girls with headphones (need to figure out a line and a way to get the attention of these kind of girls)
- Girls with a male friend (just go up to the girl and say are you going out with this guy. If "yes", eject from set; if "no", proceed with line. Simples)
- Girls with female friend (engage female friend a little bit but focus attention and open the girl you are primarily interested in).
- "Hey, how are you" opener (sometimes simplicity works best.)
- Compliment opener ("I like that necklace...did you make it yourself?"..."I like the style you look like you came straight from D.P.")
- Opinion opener (I'm trying to find opinion openers that actually work and don't sound too cheesy/corny)
- Pick-up lines (I want solid evidence that "pick-up lines don't work" before I will believe it)

LINES TO REMEMBER

GIRL: Sorry I have a boyfriend
ME: Well no worries he can be my boyfriend / No worries, I'm not the jealous type / No worries, I've got a boyfriend too / I've got a goldfish + (optional) .... sorry I thought we were talking about things that don't matter? / No worries, I can be your back up plan...here's my number

GIRL: Yeah...I'm about to meet my friends now
ME: Oh that's cool I can be your friend too. + (optional extra) We can be bestest buddies/BFFL

GIRL: *INSERT RUDE FORM OF REJECTION, NON-VERBAL OR VERBAL*
ME: Sorry, what? You don't speak English? Oh well, no worries.

GIRL: What? Are you out alone? / Why are you out alone?
ME: That's right, flying solo hun / Just here for the dance, the drinks and the gorgeous women *WINK*

GIRL: You're too young / You're too old / How old are you?
ME: That's right, too good looking / That's right, too much experience / Too old/young for you, darling.

NEVER TELL THE GODDAMN TRUTH ABOUT YOUR AGE!

More shit-test defusion here.


I'll probably post this again when I get to page 6.
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GIRL: Sorry I have a boyfriend
ME: Well no worries he can be my boyfriend / No worries, I'm not the jealous type / No worries, I've got a boyfriend too / I've got a goldfish + (optional) .... sorry I thought we were talking about things that don't matter? / No worries, I can be your back up plan...here's my number
Personally I wouldn't respond to a girl saying that she has a boyfriend. When she says that here, the words themselves are irrelevant. What is important here is HOW she tells you that. Is she apologetic? Harsh? Flippant? Or does she want to kiss/fuck but really has a boyfriend and needs to put in a disclaimer so she doesn't appear too slutty when it "just happens"?

Social awareness here is extremely important. Take how she says it here and calibrate accordingly, while outwardly ignoring the fact that she allegedly has a boyfriend.
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GIRL: Yeah...I'm about to meet my friends now
ME: Oh that's cool I can be your friend too. + (optional extra) We can be bestest buddies/BFFL

GIRL: *INSERT RUDE FORM OF REJECTION, NON-VERBAL OR VERBAL*
ME: Sorry, what? You don't speak English? Oh well, no worries.
Generally if a woman rejects me in an upfront manner I leave. There's more fish in the sea and I hate wasting my time on a set that has a high likelihood of blowing me out later. Others may differ, but that's how I see it
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GIRL: You're too young / You're too old / How old are you?
ME: That's right, too good looking / That's right, too much experience / Too old/young for you, darling.

NEVER TELL THE GODDAMN TRUTH ABOUT YOUR AGE!
That's a good,funny response, BUT I definitely have no problems with telling women my age. I've slept with/made out with women both younger and older than myself, from 10 years younger to 5 years older (I'm 29). Both age ranges within the last year lol. At no point did age ever come into the discussion. Being a tryhard about your age will just send warning signals. A joke is fine, but tell her your age if she asks again. Lying or being difficult wont usually help your cause (USUALLY)


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:23 pm 
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^Thanks mate. As a general note, I tend to use these 'replies' in a kind of casual/disinterested manner. Basically my rule of thumb is don't give up until the third hurdle. So if she throws what *could* be shit tests in my way, I will disarm them using the above responses. So although I appear to be persisting I'm already ready to eject from the set. I just want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE the girl isn't interested. Of course this could be completely the wrong attitude to take since if you are going to persist you have to be a little invested. I just don't want to be TOO invested because that's when you come across as creepy/weird. Hopefully if there is one thing I am not getting perceived as it's creepy/weird.

Anyways...

TEXT GAME

Text game isn't going well, surprisingly as thus far I've only been given three numbers. If I recall correctly the times I was given numbers were the times I made some convo first. Other times I used my opening line / introduced myself and then started to freak out because I couldn't think what to talk about so just asked for the girl's number. That's something that needs to be fixed.

Anyways, I used the

"Vip number store with care"

line that I got from a SimplePickup Vid. It seemed like a good idea to me but to be honest it hasn't generated the kind of response I want. Although I also happen to be discussing an incredibly small sample size at the moment. The last girl was just like,

"Ha what?"

And I've since sent her two messages (one of them a quirky p.s. note with a humorous reference I was hoping she would get) but she hasn't replied. So I'm pissed to say that another one of my text girls has flaked on me. I could persist a bit, but seriously what's the point of this? Constantly persisting, putting my ego out on the line, not getting any kind of reply? I suppose it's been a few days/weeks since I texted the other two girls so I could try something with them.


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Just made a day game approach, only had 30 minutes or so because I'm about to meet my parents up for dinner. So when I used a time constraint for once I wasn't lying haha. Anyway I walked around a little bit (best thing about doing approaches on limited time is you have to move in fast, no walking around faffing!) and about to give in when I saw a cute red headed latvian sitting on a park bench in the sunshine. I told her she was cute and she didn't understand because she was Latvian so I just said I liked her. We talked a bit, me exhausting my limited conversation repertoire of techniques to the best of my ability! She said she wasn't down here for long so she said there was no point in giving me her number. She seemed kind of receptive to my advance all the same - although she kept asking if I was here by myself (of course I am, duh!) - so I persisted a little harder, I told her, playfully,

"Sure you live in another city but there's no telling what the future might bring"

She didn't understand this either so I just started using words like fate and karma until she got the picture. She chuckled a little and the conversation was light hearted, but I ejected, telling her (truthfully that I had to meet someone)...and with ten-twenty minutes to spare I came back to report. I think I seriously need to stop reporting every single approach though, from now on I might just report the more interesting stuff and keep a rough tally of my weekly approaches. I didn't get a number in this instance but I felt quite steady/relaxed in my approach attempt and I got the impression she would have given me a number if she'd lived in the same city.

Regardless, hope you enjoyed another report and au revoir mes amis!


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NIGHT GAME 21/04/2015

Just went out and successful with a number-close. Again, I might get another flake - I know that I made a few mistakes during the interaction and this girl was from another city - but any kind of close is good at this stage in my game. As in, at least I'm getting SOME KIND of result to measure my progress (let's see: 45 approaches roughly speaking and 3 number closes as of tonight). Anyways to start off my night I walked around town as per usual, checking what clubs and pubs had any kind of activity. Approached 4 or 5 girls, got into a few hairy situations, I'm not gonna lie.

I did my first set including a guy. I just went straight up and asked the girl if she was going out with the guy, she said yes but it was obviously a lie because her friend was encouraging her to say "yes". So I 'believed' her and politely ejected. In the future I'll probably persist a bit harder in those kinds of situations, for instance it only occurred to me a moment later that I could have turned around to the friend and said,

"Are you going out with him too?"

If she said

"Yes,"

I could have been like,

"Wow, what a player!"

Or if she said

"No,"

I would have moved on with the line that I planned to open with.

But it is not until I have been in these situations that I know how to deal with them.

Outside one of the night clubs this drunk guy was bothering a bouncer. I simply asked the bouncer how much to get in then thanked him and walked off considering whether to go there later, after that the drunk guy started following ME and trying to make conversation.

Tbh he didn't look like he bring anything much of value as a wing and I would probably do better without him, but I asked his name then, addressing him I told him I was out to get a few ladies and if he would like to be of any assistance. He agreed initially but then started getting weird and tried to grab my arm saying,

"Look mate I'm worried about you."

I remember I just rotated my wrist out being used to guys trying to grab me like this when I'm sparring and lightly touching HIS forearm said, looking at him directly, still smiling,

"Oh are you mate, well that's good to know."

And just walked off. I'm glad he didn't follow me because I probably wouldn't have let him wing me after that. And yeah I know what the risks are on nights out like these but I've actually got a ton of experience going out solo. Not bragging or anything, just saying I know my limits. And this was a guy who was drunk off his face telling me that he was walking around trying to avoid fights with bouncers because they didn't want him in their club anymore, so really I should have been concerned for HIM. But I wasn't because I didn't give a fuck about this lowlife.

I was also walking through a narrow passageway and some black guys started cornering me like they were trying to be my buddies or something. Maybe they were but I wasn't taking any chances with these guys I just high fived one of them at a distance but KEPT my distance walking round them and they were calling me all paranoid and shit saying they were just trying to be my buddies but I really just didn't want to know.

Eventually all these hairy situations out of the way, and a few botched attempts at compliment openers to various attractive women on the high street, I found a club and a friendly couple that were willing to wing me. I didn't ask them initially if they wanted to wing me I just asked them what the scene was like inside the club. They said that they hadn't been in but from what they'd heard it was lively. They suggested we go in together I agreed even though they were more extraverted than me personally and bought them drinks as a friendly gesture.

I told them I was on the pull when they asked why I was clubbing solo and they cheekily suggested to be my wings which I agreed to and then we danced for a bit. I told the guy I was going 'indirect' when he suggested I hit on a few girls but moved in on the dance floor when he suggested a second time. I got flaked on when I did that (which is why I prefer to generally just move at my own pace, I don't really appreciate people making these suggestions) but I later approached the same set at the bar and had better results. I talked first to the girl in a black dress (HB IN BLACK)

ME working hard to get the girls attention as she is turned inwards talking to her friend: Hey I love the black, you know black is a purposeful colour
HER: It's easy
ME panicking slightly because I think she means that it's an easy line to use...which it is: You know the whole look really gives you a business attire
HER: Oh yeah, it does but I mean it's easy to wear as well - you don't have to think to hard about what you're going to put on.
PHEW
ME: So what do you do?
yeah I know, it's the whole "what's your business" route, boring but somewhat important I feel.
HER: Oh, I'm a care support worker.
ME: Oh really you know I did a few workshops in old folks homes working with dementia when I did my degree.
HER: What?
ME: I said I did a few workshops in old folks homes.
HER: Oh, that's nice.
ME trying a different route, seeing if I can bring emotions into the discussion: I bet you must feel passionate about working there.
HER she doesn't seem to understand: Yeah I mean I've got to work like 60 hours
ME working with what I've got: Oh right, well it must feel good to get out once in a while and let your hair down
I resist the temptation to touch her hair at this point but hopefully just talking and looking at her hair would have invoked something sexual

Anyways she get's a drink and I excuse myself to go talk to my new found friends for a bit. I go over and they explain that they are about to leave but they hope I enjoy myself. I shake their hands and then head back over to the bar for a glass of water. At this point I just want something to do without having to be in the centre of the room dancing and without talking to the two girls because I know that they will need a little bit of space.

Once I've finished my drink a song comes on that I like and I go back over to the girls trying to engage them a little non-verbally dancing and singing. I try to engage the other girl (HB IN WHITE DRESS) in the set that I haven't spoken to yet - I ask a few questions tell her I like her tattoo - but she is hard to get a response from. Eventually she says something like,

"Oh sorry, my names XYZ and my social skills aren't terribly brilliant"

or something. I get the impression that she's implying MY social skills aren't terribly brilliant so I just do my best to deflect what she's said without saying anything that could cause offense (just in case I've understood her wrong),

"Oh well that's ok my social skills aren't terribly brilliant we can still talk a little"

HB IN BLACK DRESS seems impressed that I came out with this but fuck it I can't tell, I mean I'm not a mind reader. I sense HB IN WHITE DRESS is going to say something negative so I just keep singing to one of my favourite tunes and eventually she shuts up. It's possible that I could have totally misread this situation but in my mind I played it safe - I mean, I was just dancing and singing a bit not intentionally interrupting her.

In any case, she goes to the toilet and I make an awkward joke to HB IN BLACK DRESS I initially when to speak to,

"Oh what, has your friend abandoned you with the creepy guy at the bar"

And she replies,

"Haha yeah...kinda"

AWKWARD!

She might not have heard the 'creepy guy at the bar' part of the sentence. I hope not.

In any case, she says something like,

"In any case she's a dead end for you, because she's got a boyfriend"

ME: Oh right...what about you, have you got a boyfriend?
HER wiggling her hand a little bit: Not exactly?
ME: Not exactly? I mean I'm not sure whether to believe you ... *this is the line I'm going to use from now on whenever a girl says she has a boyfriend it's the only way to defuse a potential shit test.*
HER: *shaking her hand raising her eyebrow as if to say "maybe, maybe not"*
ME: *raising an eyebrow, shaking my head side to side in non-verbal comical fashion, keeping eye-contact*

Anyways we chew the fat for a bit, the whole time I'm using Richard De La Ruina micro-escalation tips. For instance, when I lean in to speak into her ear, I tilt my face slightly speaking into her ear. This way, I'm keeping eye contact.

...AND IT FUCKING WORKS!

When we're speaking to each other, she's doing the same and there's times that our lips are almost touching. And I'm not even consciously trying to make this happen. I've practice the De La Ruina micro-escalation tips so much I just do it without really thinking about it now.

But then when I realise what is happening, I feel I just want to kiss her there and then, so I just say

"I kinda want to kiss you right now"

Worst thing is, I hesitate a bit. I mean I leaned back away from her first and THEN said it.

She laughs and pushes me off, so it didn't work: I came in too strong. At that moment her friend comes back from the bathroom and drags her away, so in a way, I actually made the right choice. I mean sure, I could have carried on with the micro-escalation trick but the problem is at that point I would have been FORCING IT to happen. And as it happened my window of opportunity was very narrow anyway since HB IN WHITE DRESS was just returning from the bathroom.

They go over to dance for a bit and I'm still sipping my water. I go to a different part of the bar and I notice that there's a SERIOUS shortage of hot women in this club. When I finish my water I just go over and work my way in to the same set I was just talking to, first make eye contact with HB IN WHITE DRESS who is trying to stare me down and then I put my hand on HB IN BLACK DRESS's arm. Leaning in I tell her,

"Listen I've really enjoyed speaking with you tonight, you seem like an interesting kind of girl, I was just wondering if I could get your number"

She says "yes" but she seems hesitant, or I perceive her as hesitant so I make the mistake of asking her,

"Are you sure?"

And then she kind of gives me this look and she's just like,

"Yeah, of course"

So I let her type in her number then a few hours later I send the usual text I send

"Vip number here store with care"

I forgot to add any emoticons, e.g. triple Xs to signify that it's just a joke.

Anyways, right now I just checked my phone and she's texted back already

"Ha what?"

So I'm texting back again

"Guy from XYZ club - black shirt. I'm just kidding with you. How's your night? Xx"

I was tempted to write,

"Sexy guy from XYZ club, etc."

But refrained.


Anyways time for some self-analysis:

CONS:
- Avoid risky situations with other guys better. I was letting those black guys in the passage way get way too close for comfort. It's possible they WERE just being friendly, but I can't be taking these risks. Also that drunk guy from outside the club, I should never have let him walk with me. Even if I went into a club with him, all he would have conveyed was low DHV, even lower DHV than me simply flying solo.
- Be more socially aware. HB IN WHITE DRESS might not have been trying to shit test me at all, it's quite possible I came across as paranoid and damn right insulting.
- Get some better dance moves. I think I probably looked nervey as shit on the dance floor.
- Stop rationalising my mistakes. Reading over everything I wrote, it just sounds like I'm constantly trying to rationalise and provide excuses for every awkward interaction I have. That's something that needs to stop.

PROS:
- I defused some awkward situations successfully.
- I'm glad I took the initiative to buy those guys drinks since they were being friendly enough to give me some of their time (I think!)
- I ended the night with a number and if I play my cards right I can even use this success to contact the girl later tonight and possibly meet up again before she goes back to her city. POSSIBLY.
- In all honesty I don't feel any more awkward about night game than I do about day game anymore. I'm not sure if that's good or bad!

Great that you continued to push through and got a number. At the moment, don't worry too much about flakes. You WILL get flakes. There will be tons of girls who will be happy with you at the club and not give a fuck an hour later. It's the nature of the game, and as you get better with making a connection after you escalate you can work on decreasing the flakes. For now, focus on getting to the stage of reliably getting numbers.

One big suggestion:

When doing night game, ESCALATION is the most important thing to do.

Women don't come to talk to guys - they come to dance and have fun.

Stop having conversations. You know this already.

Start teasing. Making fun, and HAVING fun. Enjoy yourself. Throw your hand around her waist. Don't be afraid to get close and touch. Stick your fucking tongue out. Stop focusing on conversation and be willing to get physical. You're the fucking king. You don't need her permission to have fun, to toy with her.

Go dance with her, hold her hand, PULL HER IN CLOSE. The fact that you can't dance is irrelevant.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:30 pm 
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DAYGAME APPROACHES

Ok daygame approaches ... I made 4 or 5 daygame approaches today and to be honest I'm starting to wonder how often I have to get REJECTED before I start getting ACCEPTED. Seriously I'm past the whole hype/limited adrenaline rush you get from thinking,

"oh wow I'm so ballsy for doing these approaches"

I don't care how many people high five me or think I'm the bees knees for talking to strangers any more. I just wanna get RESULTS, it's driving me completely nuts. Just having the balls to approach doesn't impress me. ALMOST being successful doesn't impress me. FLIRTING with girls is fun and all but it's not enough. Anything that doesn't result in some sort of close is a FAILURE, and sorry if that sounds black and white or whatever but that at this point cynicism is the only way forwards. Like Yoda would say,

"Do or do not do, there is no try."

And at the moment I'm NOT doing what I want to be.

I mean are these girls crazy? They can't ALL be in goddamn holy bible matrimony/strict monogamous relationships. It's 21st Century Britain and we live in a Liberal Democracy, so where are all the single girls that just want to have a bit of fun?


In total I've done approximately 40 approaches since I've started this journal. This doesn't include a lot of situations though - for example I might be indirectly flirting with someone (e.g. eye contact with a waitress), or someone might come up to ME and that doesn't count towards my total number of approaches. All in all though, I think a lot less about doing an approach now. There is still pain (emotional) involved but it is no less than the pain (physical) of doing say 50 push-ups or so. I just get out there and do it, consistently. The problem is I'm starting to feel entitled BECAUSE I've done it consistently and feel like I SHOULD be getting results.

Call it a 'negative' attitude but I've gone about this whole thing in a more 'positive'/less entitled way and gotten nowhere different. I seen countless youtube videos of girls immediately saying "yes" to strangers because they're rich, wearing Louis V jewellery and driving lambhorginis so I'm starting to wonder if girls are so innocent and precious as the contemporary feminist media make them out to be. I'm just wondering where those genuine, fun-loving girls are that are comfortable with the fact they like sex and comfortable in their own sexuality.

In fact, I would say that when it comes to sex, I'm more feminist than the feminists. How's that? I don't subscribe to the notion that women are vulnerable assexual victims that need to be pursued relentlessly by male chauvinistic working class types and ensnared by monogamous relationships. Feminists today say that they are against these traditional gender roles but when push comes to shove, that's exactly what they're promoting.

Say what you want about my attitude but you can't deny that there is some truth in it and that the whole situation with women and sex these days is a little fucked up. /END RANT

Anyways a bit of analysis in today's approach, I was feeling a little low energy today so just went for some low profile approaches but trying to keep things interesting, mainly in a non-verbal/flirtatious manner. My line was pretty simple,

"Hey, I just thought you seem kinda cute and had to come over and say hi"

Since that hasn't generated any concrete results (although one girl insisted she would be interested if she wasn't in a relationship. Thing is I've heard that line so often I just don't believe it anymore). Since that hasn't generated any concrete results I'm gonna rethink my strategy and make some night game approaches. See if I can be a little more interesting conversation wise and get some number closes or just take a girl back to mine there and then.

Might also go to a few bars and shit. I don't have to overthink my strategy with guys, just a few simple questions like "what sports team do you support" and I improve my odds of making conversation with strangers and having the social proof necessary to pull a bird. In short I want to put more energy and focus into approaching girls than gathering social proof.
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I don't care how many people high five me or think I'm the bees knees for talking to strangers any more. I just wanna get RESULTS, it's driving me completely nuts. Just having the balls to approach doesn't impress me. ALMOST being successful doesn't impress me. FLIRTING with girls is fun and all but it's not enough.
This is why I prefer nightgame over daygame. Daygame, to me, is MUCH harder and less likely to get success, unless you are pretty good at approaching. Note that I'm not saying you shouldn't do daygame, just that it's frikking hard and can be pretty difficult for beginners.
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I mean are these girls crazy? They can't ALL be in goddamn holy bible matrimony/strict monogamous relationships. It's 21st Century Britain and we live in a Liberal Democracy, so where are all the single girls that just want to have a bit of fun?
There is still a significant taboo on women's promiscuity. I have heard literal prostitutes arguing over who was more slutty. While these limiting attitudes are changing, there is no where that you will go where there will be a large amount of women who will be as willing to have sex as men are. And that to some extent is a good thing, cause if it was too easily available it wouldn't be as much fun.

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I was feeling a little low energy today so just went for some low profile approaches but trying to keep things interesting, mainly in a non-verbal/flirtatious manner. My line was pretty simple,
Concentrate on being in the moment, having fun, and entertaining YOURSELF.
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See if I can be a little more interesting conversation wise
With nightgame, don't worry about conversation. Build the right vibe/mood. I like unfazed's field reports - I think he has a really good and attractive personality and you would do well to read his field reports and try to generate that kind of thinking.


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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 10:04 pm 
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Aw, thanks for the <3 Chocolate_PUA, you're making me blush.

JHA91, bro, get rid of that attitude, man, it will destroy you. Just keep going, and on top of that, don't just blindly slam your head against the wall either, try to figure out what you did wrong, what you did right, and the steps you need to take to improve. The more in detail you can post your interactions here, the more other people can help. And make sure you try different things to see what works and what doesn't.

As for your 40 approaches, that ain't shit. Ask anyone who's good at this how many approaches they've done, or how much work they've put into this.

With learning anything, you can't be results-oriented, or you'll lose motivation really quick. You have to be progress-oriented. Be impressed with yourself as long as you're learning from every interaction, and doing a little bit better than yesterday. I mean seriously, how long have you been in this? Forty approaches? You want girls to fuck you from a cold approach after only 40 approaches? Only dudes who are really talented can achieve that.

Shameless plug: read my journal from the beginning and see how many approaches, how much material I read, how much I practice, how much self-analysis I do, and how much advice I seek from people better than me. Have you put in this much effort into this? And I'm not even good...

Go watch SquattinCassanova on youTube and see how many approaches he's done. Stop focusing on not getting laid and just focus on getting better. It's like your trying to get to the NBA and you keep trying and trying but you're frustrated you're not in the NBA but you should just be focused on practicing your dribble, practicing your jump shot, practicing everything and just getting better. You're not gonna go from sitting on the couch to slaying pussy left and right after 40 approaches, it's just not gonna happen. So for your own good, just keep working on it and getting better!

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Hey guys,

Thanks as ever for the tips and please excuse my pessimism. I just need to get stuff off my chest once in a while if you get me. But you guys are right 40 approaches (more like 50 now since the start of this journal and possibly somewhere between 100 and 200 since I started pick-up a few years back) is nowhere near enough to get the results I want. And having a negative attitude towards women won't get me anywhere. ChocolatePUA I like the idea of going non-verbal in a club, believe me I do. Sometimes there's this part of me that tells me it's TOO EASY, like I'm copping out of making genuine conversation if you get me. And the other night in that club it was way harder to dance in to sets because the club wasn't busy. But enough excuses I get you guys' points and am taking them on board. Unfazed, I will give your journal a serious look over when I get the chance, because when it comes to women, you guys are the fucking shit.

I think I need to focus on:

- more approaches
- improving my lifestyle (I've neglected some of my own personal ambitions since starting this journal and haven't been working out so much as usual. I think I will keep up the daygame approaches but on a low profile and just post when I get a number-close/date-close/fuck-close or if I have a conversation that is particularly interesting. Having an interesting lifestyle is the key to getting interesting women, I think).

Une autre fois: au revoir mes amis et merci beaucoup pour le conseils.

DAY GAME

Told a girl in costa she was cute. A few days ago when I tried this line, the girl seemed quite charmed but this girl on her laptop was just like,

"Yeah...I'm working right now"

I've used this opener a lot now, and it's getting too easy, so might lay off it.


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DAY GAME

Made 3 approaches today, not including some low key flirting I did with a cute girl behind the till in a cafe. Just smiled when I made my order, asked her how business was today and when she doubled up my takeaway cup I said,

"aw, you even doubled it up and everything just so I wouldn't burn my hand"

and she was like,

"yeah, I know I'm not normally that kind"


Was thinking of escalating a bit more but people were behind me in the cue pushing to get served so I left with a last glance at the HB 7.5.

Told another girl I liked her style, she just said "umm...thanks" so I left it at that.

Another cute girl - red head in batgirl t-shirt - was laughing with her friends so took the opportunity to capitalise on the positive vibe,

"Hey, I'd normally stop to make convo ...

*she is already walking away at this point*

...but today my phone battery is dying...

*true story*

...so can I get your number real quick?"


Preferring to wallow away in singledom she ignores me but her friend thought it was funny. This was my second set that included a guy by the way, although it was obvious the guy was no threat and going out with the other girl in the set. So I wasn't really taking any risks, but still, it feels good to be increasing the range of sets I feel comfortable approaching.

Finally last girl, I was trying to gauge her for eye contact - you know those stupid eye games girl make from a distance to indicate you should approach before quickly looking away? Yeah well, she wasn't making any eye contact so I was about to give in when she stopped to talk to her friend and I had also stopped because I was considering taking a seat to wait for the next approachable set. I looked around and there she was so I used the same line as above:

"Hey,

*she looks receptive at first, now that I'm a little closer though I can see has some acne, it's no big deal but she's also a little too young. I continue with my line anyway*

I'd normally stop to make convo ...

*she makes the ugliest face, like I just told her I want to destroy uranus and starts walking away, so I just continue with my line just to show her that I will finish it regardless of whatever butt ugly cynical attitude she's got going on*

...but today my phone battery is dying...

...

...so better get your number real quick

*she's sill ignoring me/walking away, but I throw in a last line just to show her that I'm still willing to be a polite human being regardless of what shit girls throw at me*

...I like your jack daniels t-shirt by the way"


I bet she doesn't even drink jack daniels. Should have said that, actually:

"I like your jack daniels t-shirt by the way...bet you don't drink whiskey though."


Ok that makes 50 approaches at least since I began this journal and I don't know how many since I started pick-up a few years ago when I was half-way through my first year at university.

Funny enough, I started pick-up back then because a friend was telling me about this book "The Game" and how his friends used it and it was a load of bollocks that didn't work. I was curious though so I went online and downloaded the PDF and right now, I still disagree with a lot of the specific suggestions but not the core values (e.g. you have to bring interest to an interaction if you want success with a woman; developing an attractive personality takes time, persistence and courage; there are things in life that are more important than sex). In short I've been at it on and off for three years or so: I was pretty inconsistent at university since I had other stuff to worry about. The last two or three months have been the most consistent I've practiced game, I would say.

And my last year at university was the most crucial year in developing my mindset, and personality. Because that was the year I discovered the most uncanny things about myself primarily due to my interactions with other people. It was a year when most of my friends in the year above had graduated and I was by myself again but I had a confidence that I didn't have when I was a loner in my first year. In short in terms of self-improvement, I had come a LONG way, I was a lot less needy and I found it easier to look people in the eye. In my last year, I didn't have any focus on making new friends, I honestly did not give a shit if I did not make friends, I just wanted to get through the academic year without too many hiccups, pursue some of my ambitions and if possible get laid.

I didn't get laid but I did the other two things and now I'm stuck at a bit of a rut because I'm putting focus into women that I didn't put in a year ago but at the sacrifice of my ambitions. So I have a kind of choice dilemma right now: I still want to make it as a successful musician and get the shredded physique I've always desired. But I want to be with women as well. It seems I just don't have the time for everything but then there's times it feels like I'm just making excuses. Sometimes I feel like this pick-up stuff isn't helping me get where I want to with women. I just want to quit focussing on pick-up just so I can get back on track with my life but I know I won't feel content until I finally get laid. And at the same time, it's hard to get laid when you aren't pursuing the things that are important to you. So it's a tricky situation.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:04 pm 
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DAY GAME

Made 3 approaches today, not including some low key flirting I did with a cute girl behind the till in a cafe. Just smiled when I made my order, asked her how business was today and when she doubled up my takeaway cup I said,

"aw, you even doubled it up and everything just so I wouldn't burn my hand"

and she was like,

"yeah, I know I'm not normally that kind"


Was thinking of escalating a bit more but people were behind me in the cue pushing to get served so I left with a last glance at the HB 7.5.

Told another girl I liked her style, she just said "umm...thanks" so I left it at that.

Another cute girl - red head in batgirl t-shirt - was laughing with her friends so took the opportunity to capitalise on the positive vibe,

"Hey, I'd normally stop to make convo ...

*she is already walking away at this point*

...but today my phone battery is dying...

*true story*

...so can I get your number real quick?"


Preferring to wallow away in singledom she ignores me but her friend thought it was funny. This was my second set that included a guy by the way, although it was obvious the guy was no threat and going out with the other girl in the set. So I wasn't really taking any risks, but still, it feels good to be increasing the range of sets I feel comfortable approaching.

Finally last girl, I was trying to gauge her for eye contact - you know those stupid eye games girl make from a distance to indicate you should approach before quickly looking away? Yeah well, she wasn't making any eye contact so I was about to give in when she stopped to talk to her friend and I had also stopped because I was considering taking a seat to wait for the next approachable set. I looked around and there she was so I used the same line as above:

"Hey,

*she looks receptive at first, now that I'm a little closer though I can see has some acne, it's no big deal but she's also a little too young. I continue with my line anyway*

I'd normally stop to make convo ...

*she makes the ugliest face, like I just told her I want to destroy uranus and starts walking away, so I just continue with my line just to show her that I will finish it regardless of whatever butt ugly cynical attitude she's got going on*

...but today my phone battery is dying...

...

...so better get your number real quick

*she's sill ignoring me/walking away, but I throw in a last line just to show her that I'm still willing to be a polite human being regardless of what shit girls throw at me*

...I like your jack daniels t-shirt by the way"


I bet she doesn't even drink jack daniels. Should have said that, actually:

"I like your jack daniels t-shirt by the way...bet you don't drink whiskey though."


Ok that makes 50 approaches at least since I began this journal and I don't know how many since I started pick-up a few years ago when I was half-way through my first year at university.

Funny enough, I started pick-up back then because a friend was telling me about this book "The Game" and how his friends used it and it was a load of bollocks that didn't work. I was curious though so I went online and downloaded the PDF and right now, I still disagree with a lot of the specific suggestions but not the core values (e.g. you have to bring interest to an interaction if you want success with a woman; developing an attractive personality takes time, persistence and courage; there are things in life that are more important than sex). In short I've been at it on and off for three years or so: I was pretty inconsistent at university since I had other stuff to worry about. The last two or three months have been the most consistent I've practiced game, I would say.

And my last year at university was the most crucial year in developing my mindset, and personality. Because that was the year I discovered the most uncanny things about myself primarily due to my interactions with other people. It was a year when most of my friends in the year above had graduated and I was by myself again but I had a confidence that I didn't have when I was a loner in my first year. In short in terms of self-improvement, I had come a LONG way, I was a lot less needy and I found it easier to look people in the eye. In my last year, I didn't have any focus on making new friends, I honestly did not give a shit if I did not make friends, I just wanted to get through the academic year without too many hiccups, pursue some of my ambitions and if possible get laid.

I didn't get laid but I did the other two things and now I'm stuck at a bit of a rut because I'm putting focus into women that I didn't put in a year ago but at the sacrifice of my ambitions. So I have a kind of choice dilemma right now: I still want to make it as a successful musician and get the shredded physique I've always desired. But I want to be with women as well. It seems I just don't have the time for everything but then there's times it feels like I'm just making excuses. Sometimes I feel like this pick-up stuff isn't helping me get where I want to with women. I just want to quit focussing on pick-up just so I can get back on track with my life but I know I won't feel content until I finally get laid. And at the same time, it's hard to get laid when you aren't pursuing the things that are important to you. So it's a tricky situation.


Life is about balance.

Over the past 12 months, after breaking up with my LDR, I have been with more women than I had before in my LIFE, and dated others that I could have, but didn't sleep with.

But now, I'm taking a break.

At the present moment I'm actually stepping back because at the moment I realised that I want to get some things in my life handled - particularly career/wealth.

To me, working on my wealth/career is MUCH more important than upping my game, because once this area of my life is handled (hopefully in the next 8-10 months) then things will be easier getting back to game. NO more worrying about going broke by going to the movies or putting gas in the car. No more having to worry about renting a room because I'll have my own place.

Of course, I'll still be doing the occasional gaming,but mostly for practice purposes.Fewer complications and issues while I work on my career/savings, and that's just the way I like it.


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Hey guys,

Thanks as ever for the tips and please excuse my pessimism. I just need to get stuff off my chest once in a while if you get me. But you guys are right 40 approaches (more like 50 now since the start of this journal and possibly somewhere between 100 and 200 since I started pick-up a few years back) is nowhere near enough to get the results I want. And having a negative attitude towards women won't get me anywhere. ChocolatePUA I like the idea of going non-verbal in a club, believe me I do. Sometimes there's this part of me that tells me it's TOO EASY, like I'm copping out of making genuine conversation if you get me. And the other night in that club it was way harder to dance in to sets because the club wasn't busy. But enough excuses I get you guys' points and am taking them on board. Unfazed, I will give your journal a serious look over when I get the chance, because when it comes to women, you guys are the fucking shit.

I think I need to focus on:

- more approaches
- improving my lifestyle (I've neglected some of my own personal ambitions since starting this journal and haven't been working out so much as usual. I think I will keep up the daygame approaches but on a low profile and just post when I get a number-close/date-close/fuck-close or if I have a conversation that is particularly interesting. Having an interesting lifestyle is the key to getting interesting women, I think).

Une autre fois: au revoir mes amis et merci beaucoup pour le conseils.

DAY GAME

Told a girl in costa she was cute. A few days ago when I tried this line, the girl seemed quite charmed but this girl on her laptop was just like,

"Yeah...I'm working right now"

I've used this opener a lot now, and it's getting too easy, so might lay off it.
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ChocolatePUA I like the idea of going non-verbal in a club, believe me I do. Sometimes there's this part of me that tells me it's TOO EASY, like I'm copping out of making genuine conversation if you get me.
Do what works.

There will be times when women will be more amenable to conversation, particularly outside in the queue, in the smoking area, and SOMETIMES at the bar. But if they are actively dancing or moving, forget about talking. I have been dancing with women and they literally move away as soon as I start talking. Keep working on it and you'll learn.

Most importantly, STAY HAPPY. A good, positive, fun energy is critical in night game environments. I would personally highly recommend finding a wing in your area. That way you can push each other to approach more.


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