Common sense does not apply.

Common sense would tell you to stop and issue an apology when the girl throws up any resistance.

I haven't had one get up and leave on me since I've learned proper escalation.

The leaving happened when I was just winging it.

The thing here is that guys are being taught to ignore resistance all together, and to escalate more drastically when the resistance comes as opposed to dialing it back a step.

Apparently skills has used this method. Using the cop-out that you will understand when you gain experience. So what about when a guy without experience like ruhri is in the learning process, or someone with even less experience than him?

They get taught to ignore resistance and push further. "It's only a shit test." They will blindly follow the advice taking it as truth from the gurus. Learning their lesson and gaining experience through a girl pressing charges. Like what happened to this guy.

Mental masturbation, challenges of who gets laid and who's a keyboard warrior.

The arguments of a fool. It's not about who has been accused of rape. This thread is about the link in the OP. You say in your 5 years you've never seen it? You should read the OP and check links out before blindly posting in peoples threads.

He sits here and defends JMULV's Rape like methods of forcing escalation on uncomfortable women.

we get into the bathroom and i figured that once we took the shot that she would want to leave the bathroom. therefore, i baby-stepped her WITHIN THE BATHROOM. i had her come sit down next to me next to the shower. then i tried to kiss her. she didn't comply. so i teased her that she was probably a virgin and has probably never even given a blowjob. she insisted that she had done both but admitted being with a dude for 4 years. since she had just turned 21, this bf (who she had recently broken up with) must have been her bf since age 17. i tease her some more and then she starts making out with me...but she's all hesitant since we "haven't gone on any dates". i do my import comfort on credit thing and tell her that i'd take her on 10 romantic dates if she wasn't leaving in the morning. i tell her that i'll drive out to san francisco and take her on dates at some point haha. she lays on her stomach at some point so i lift up her dress and start feeling her ass up..turns out she has an AMAZING firm ass. she still is being somewhat non-compliant so i tell her that it's a huge turn on for girls to watch me jerk off. i take my dick out and tell her that if she watches we can go watch the sunrise and party. she is reluctant to watch but eventually starts looking. i tell her that if i can play with her a little bit and get her turned on that it'll make me cum faster. she says ok but to stay over her underwear. after she gets horny she doesn't care any more and i start full-on fingering her. i take my other hand off my dick and start working the clit with that hand. i am over the top of her at this point. i go to slip it in and she tells me to put on a condom.
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Skills I get what you are saying.

You're telling guys not to worry about being accused of rape. I would advocate the same thing. Most times you shouldn't have a problem. I will say that there is such a thing as escalating poorly vs smoothly. Not going to debate that with you. It's up to the individual.

This tread isn't about spooking men into not escalating and advertising my own method. I was asked to provide my escalation.

The guy's company this thread is about was banned from rsd's forum and many of his posts were deleted. He was convicted of "conspiracy to commit coercion" while facing sexual assault charges. He treated kiss resistance from a girl by locking his car doors tossing the girls phone away so she couldn't contact anyone, then whipping out his dick and masturbating to get her in the mood.

you say there is no such thing as a good or bad way to escalate...Ok.

After being fired he's now formed his own company where he's teaching these ruthless methods to dealing with LMR.

I like how you're creating a frame where you're so high value that you can go into a thread that has a link in the OP not read the link then make comments about the topic out of ignorance. Then ask the op to tell you about the link because your value prevents you from reading it.

I think it's really important here to make a distinction between when a girl wants to leave and is not interested in your advances, and when a girl wants to stay but is not yet comfortable with your advances but has definitely been showing interest.

To me this whole persistence vs rape thing is sort of weird because I don't think I've ever been in a situation where it wasn't blatantly obvious to me if the girl I was with wanted to continue or not. Persistence just amounts to being patient and keeping offering the option to sleep with you when ever logistics permit assuming the person was previously uncomfortable. With that in mind it can be assumed that the goal is to help the person feel more comfortable so that they are excited at the idea of sex. Rape is forcing the issue. Rather then attempting to make someone who is keen on the idea, more comfortable with it, you are trying to force escalation. In my opinion that is the distinction, there is also a huge difference between a girl who was more then happy to sleep with you and then later regretted her decision and a woman who was forced or coerced into sleeping with you. Always leave the option for them to leave and respect when they ask you to stop or say no. It is not some trick that you should try to overcome, assuming so could land you in jail.

^ this is not so, a lot of women will put tiny amounts of objections. i can be fingering a girl and she dripping wet and she could say "oh ah we sould not be doing this", guys that are good with women are good with subcommunication and go by "women actions" not by "women words" pay attention to what women do, not what what they say.

What your saying is 100% true but that will not fly in court if a woman wanted to take you to court for rape. If you didn't get consent your only defense would be "I could tell that she wanted it" and that's a guaranteed jail sentence.

Not disagreeing with you just pointing that out.

Dude no girl is likely to take me to court...