So the idea of being "higher value" or "alpha" gets thrown around a lot. Products n everything. Gets annoying n most likely over exaggerated to an extent tht I want throw a cucumber at someone. Not joking. Non verbals n body language is always on point for me n pretty much has since the beginning of learning this. Though still see girls talk to guys with shitty body language, lower value, weird ass humor n personality. Wtf??!! Seriously thought chicks were DISGUSTED by dudes who were lke tht. Maybe its
just me buggin' out , maybe they're "nice guys" getting polite responses, but, seeing chicks giving iois n qualifying themselves to dudes lke tht makes a BIG ASS QUESTION MARK linger in mind possibly leading to just take form on my forehead.

Gonna make me lose my mind UP IN HERE UP IN HERE . Ite nomore random DMX lyrics.
Asked this question cause its just weird lke the weirdest value shift to see.

It's irrelevant. There could be a million reasons for their IOIs but in the end finding out why will not help you because it will not pay to mirror these guys' body language etc. Focus on you and the reactions the girls are giving you and pay no mind to others.

The other thing to keep in mind is that the 'alpha this and alpha that' bullshit is not a rule, just a generality. In other words, it's better if you display masculine traits (without faking it) but that doesn't mean guys who act feminine for example can't pull.

Worry about yourself. It is pointless to figure out why women do what women do. This is women we are talking about. It's like the same question with why do girls go for the bad boys instead of nice guys etc. just worry about your own success and results. Learning why Girls display indicators of interests to "betas" won't help in the long run. Unless you want to learn what not to do...

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It's all about enhancing your chances of success. Think about it.

Imagine the most average guy possible and the beautifulest girl imaginable. He has got the same amount of money as everyone else, no nice car, no fancy clothes, can't really talk to women, is afraid to kino and has shitty body language. Put them together in a room with 50 other guys. She'll barely see him and even if she does, it will probably be because she knows she's out of his league and will see him as a "safe zone" in the middle of other 50 horny guys. That's probably what you see happening around you. In any case his chances of success with that girl are close to 0%.

Imagine now his twin brother, exactly the same as him, but with good body language. This way, 70% of the times, the girl will notice him. He may even be approached by the girl. Still, he doesn't know how to have a conversation with her and how to kino, therefore his chances with her will still be quite slim, let's say 10%.

Imagine now another twin brother, exactly the same as the first one, except for the fact that he knows how to kino. What are his problems? He has a shit body language and can't really hold a conversation. He will be above average in getting girls on the dancefloor, I suppose, but the rest of the time girls would not notice him and, even if they do, they would get bored after 2 minutes of being in an interaction with him. Let's say he's got a chance of success around 20% (I'm probably being generous).

Imagine another twin brother, exactly the same as the first one, except for the fact that he is comfortable in talking with people, girls included. He would have no problem with holding a conversation with her, but he has two problems: he will hardly be noticed by the girl because of his body language and he doesn't know how to kino, therefore can't really get anything more than a number. This said, I would say that his chances of success are around 30%.


Now, imagine a last twin brother that has all the good caracteristics of his brothers. He has good body language, can hold a conversation and knows how to escalate physically. This means that the girl you imagined before would probably notice him, then in that case have an amazing time with him in a conversation and being sexually aroused by his kino escalation.
Let's count now the percentages: 10%+20%+30%=60%. He would have a 60% chance of taking that perfect girl home.

Now, you have to imagine that around 75% of the male, non-homosexual population is like one of the first 4 guys we've seen before. Either they have no good qualities to create attraction in a girl or have maximum a chance of 30% to get her.
Then you have another 20% of people that have 2 of these three qualities. This means they have a much better chance of getting a girl than the previous ones. Their maximum chance of getting a girl is 50%. They could literally throw a coin.
Then you have the last group, those who are like the last brother, that have a 60% chance of getting the girl they want because they know how to do it. This is only equal to 5% of the population.

Now, you have to think that there are other factors/techniques that the last group can use in order to get the girls they want, which will raise their chances well above 60%, maybe even to, let's say almost 100%.

This amazing last group who every guy would like to be part of, it's us. PUAs, wanna-be-PUAs and newbies. We know how "the game" works. We know how to move, how to talk, how to dress well, how to react to failure. All this increases our chances in getting girls.


Remember: the pickup industry doesn't make you a Casanova straight away. It only increases your chances of success above the average. The rest of the work is yours alone to do, whether you want to find the girl of your dreams or become a professional PUA!







Now, to answer the question "why do girls talk to beta guys?". Dude, why do you talk to girls you are not attracted to? The answer to this last question is probably the answer to yours. Another thing to remember is: it's not important who they talk to, but who they fuck, and that guy be better you!

Yea no way umbre. Become a pro pua . My intentions are to get more than good might as well go for the full 9 yards. Shit though is tight in high school. Ik ik all about "high school game". Its bullshit. Think "high school game" is thrown around to make all the underaged puas feel good getting a head start early on n it a step up to refine your inner game n refine your social skills w everyone but other than tht its just not good...at all. The time constraints are ridiculously small than out in field , closing maps lead to numbers n dates which is eh for me, n logistics are tight asf. Its not lke u can get an in school lay in a bathroom lke in a bar or club n u cant just bluntly walk tf out of school lke a gangsta w your hb thinking your gonna go back to her or your place .
Sounds cool as hell but not realistic at all.

Don't underestimate your school time. I'm now at first year in university and I tell you that if I didn't refine my social skills in school times I wouldn't have been able to get the results I get this year. Look what you can improve in and improve!
The real time for success for people like us comes at uni and on!

Lmafo..

You had me laughing dude.

I was about to hit you with some tough love, but I just couldn't. The chicks at the cafe all looked in my direction cause i just burst out laughing reading your post. So congrats and thanks for assisting in potentially getting me laid.

Anyway man.. Most of the pua body language material was written by PUA - Former nerds who needed to make a science out of getting women so they could understand it. This shit ain't that complicated. Sure that body language shit may help, but what helps most is finding security in whatever body language makes you comfortable.

I take up lots of space naturally, but I have friend who are just as confident and get laid just as often who don't. Its not in the WHATS its all about the HOWS.

It doesn't matter what you do, or what you say.. Its all about how you say it and how you do it.

I don't tolerate what i feel to be disrespect on any level but I'm nice as fuck. I'm a nice guy and I still get chicks. Now some people would say I'm not nice, but I think i am. I do all the nice shit like " helping old ladies cross the street and telling girls i love them when i first meet them".. I just don't allow that shit to interfere with how comfortable i am with my sexuality and how comfortable I am expressing it.

You don't have to read another book; you just have to learn to art of accepting yourself and communicating that with whatever natural gifts you have and you WILL get laid. Chicks will gravitate to you as well. Theres groupies for every endeavor in life.

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