Man, guys are really selling themselves.

One even offered to be a damn sex slave to a total stranger.

, I can tell a couple of those messages are from PUAs. Or at least a guy attempting to be one. THat geeky guy for instance has studied.

I'm really enjoying this thread, and I'm sure others are as well. It sheds so much light. Keep it up.

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Just some more messages for Melissa:


Hey! I'm Rick, how are you?! I'm 26, finishing up my bachelors in vet technology at medaille. You're really cute and I like how you're in school to work with special needs children. Takes a lot of patience! Message me back if you'd like to chat!

Hey so I wanted to message you since 1) you are super cute and 2) I also could not live without sweet potatoes


Hey there Melissa, have you been to Harry Potter world in Orlando yet?


DUDE
Hello I'm Ryan... I like that you are getting your masters degree haha that's kind of rare on here. I just finished mine from N.
Sent from the OkCupid app Thursday
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Haha guess that first message didn't work


Hey! I've been surfing on the site untill run into you, now I really believe life is too short. Drowning in the words, all for you! Just say hi to hear magic!

This guy resent messages, this guy who's message I posted earlier in the thread, unsure if this is a no-no when it comes to online dating but it wasn't too bad.


DUDE
You intrigued me with your smile, although it is kinda mischievous and says "I'm sweet but I know I can get away with things". You almost lost me with your impeccable spelling and use of grammar :p. You also drew me back in with active lifestyle, appreciation for intelligence and B.S calling abilities. I had to see if there was more to you than what meets the eye.

What's the best adventure you've been on in the last 6 months?
Hi I'm Miles
Sent on Wednesday
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I sent you a message before and you didn't respond. I'm sure it wasn't anything personal; you probably get a million messages and things get lost in the shuffle.

My friend was looking over my shoulder and told me if I didn't message you again that she would. She's straight, so you don't have to worry about that. She knows me better than most people; she also thought your profile was intriguing and saw why we might get along. I figured it couldn't hurt to take mom's advice for once

What are you most excited for in 2015?
- Miles


I responded to these just for giggles.

DUDE
Hey! Want to have sex and get married?
Sent on Feb 16
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Melissa
creep
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
...................... Or extremely flattering
DUDE
You're mean


DUDE
I know you'd enjoy yourself with me
Sent on Thursday
Melissa
Right....move on playa.
Sent on Friday
DUDE
Me a playa? You're way off

DUDE
I'll let my profile do the talking, then will have intelligent conversation.
Sent on Thursday
Melissa:
I mean, I am glad you filled out your profile but....it kind of read like a resume...
Sent on Friday
DUDE
Yea I ca see what you mean,but at least its detailed right? Its definitely hard to express your character as a person through a profile, I'll say that. I suppose that's where the messaging comes into play. But then again, online dating and chatting is kind of unnatural and cold when you think about it.

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Mandy's messages....LOL one dude even gave her their number....and she didn't even respond once to him yet.

DUDE
Hey !
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 17
DUDE
!!!
Sent from the OkCupid app Saturday (Feb21)
DUDE
Text me if u want 5109545


More generic messages....dear god


Hey my name is Andy. You are really beautiful. How are you doing?

Hi

Hey what's your name

Hey what's up how are you how did your weekend go? Mine always goes by too fast

You look really cute

Well might as well ask the most important question of all....what're you currently watching on Netflix ?

You are gorgeous

Hello I'm trying to get back into school but work is too much with it.

Hi, how are you?

Hello what's up sexy

What a vulgar shirt haha

Hello my name is Matthew it would be a pleasure to get to k ow you

You are cute! I want to cuddle you

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Some of the messages in the front are from online dating programs. I recognize the patterns. They did better because they took the overall framework of the messages and changed them up. Instead of sending word for word stuff like that other guy did.

You should send women follow up messages. I have success doing that. It would be the equivalent to persistence game.

It just depends on the style of the follow up message. I usually go with a light challenge to her value system for the first message. It opens communication. Half the time the girls get all bitchy, and the other half they respond by justifying themselves which leads to my other follow up messages which leads to numbers and dates.

It's all about the timing. I'll send the first follow up 7 days after. The next follow up 10 days after that. A final follow up 15 days after that.

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Yeah, that's good to know about the follow ups, I didn't know if that was a little too overbearing but your spaced out follow up strategy sounds like a good plan.

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Oh and to clarify, I space it out when they don't respond.

The other messages I have ready to go are for the typical responses I get from women. A lot of them I came up with on my own, and I just kept the ones that lead to phone numbers.

You're starting to see the difference between what we do and what the average guy does now huh? LOL, and who says "it doesn't matter what you say"?

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Yeah, I get it now. It's a great way to see what not to do! Holy shitola, there are more threads I want to post about. I assume you have been gamed by women right? They do the SAME thing, once I get enough messages from the girls who hit me up, I will start a thread about it.

It doesn't matter what you say can only go so far...

Do you have any requests?Like a theme? I have been doing the disinterested girl for a bit and then the normal girl. I can push some of these guys to really try and game these girls.

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Honestly, at this point you've probably gathered all of the useful data that is needed. You have enough to know how to stay out of the pack.

Most guys say the same things.

The PUAs fall into two catagories.

1. Guys who copy systems word for word.
2. Guys who use the systems as guidelines and break down why stuff works and are able to create unique messages. - be this guy.

You should probably delete the accounts before the dating site finds you out and IP bans you.

If you want to do more research, obviously the normal guys are useless, but get your own message structures going and find out women's most common reactions to your messages are.

Then you can leverage the female accounts by responding the way the women respond to you, and see how the PUAs respond to those common responses. Since those guys spend hours learning this stuff like we have.

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Yeah, I got out of a long term back in December. Ever since then, I have decided to move on. 0-100.

I just do what I know works for me. So, I guess you are right, I might give them a little taste of the long-term but that isn't intentional. I just do. At the moment, I don't want to jump into anything, that is why I am on here more, figuring out my life, getting better with women. Etc. The ladies I see try their tactics to reel me in...but I just can't. I do try to remain friends so that is my way of consistency. Because who knows, one of these girls might be long term

And yeah, it is a real eye opener when you see what a girl goes through and what kind of messages they get. You learn what not to, what things to avoid.

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Hopefully I can get a few weeks in. I was thinking of messaging PUA like messages and see what they got. That's the only useful thing I can think of. Other than that, the normal guys are well just normal.

How long do sites like OKcupid take to find my IP? I'd rather not deal with that.

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It can be in an instant. I got IP banned from POF. I don't know why they IP banned me. It could be any number of factors including the girl account I logged into was in new york, and my real account was in Atlanta. I could have been reported by guys for some reason, many factors.

You don't want to get IP banned because they do more than just go after your IP. they keep track of the pictures you used. The name of the pictures and the location of the picture you pulled from your computer.

They also document the language patterns of your profile and use that to try and identify you if you happen to buy a new computer and use a different IP address.

They won't allow you to log in through a proxy either, they have all of the free online ones blocked.

I got around it by figuring out everything they did and coming up with an answer for each... I wouldn't want to go through that either. I happen to have a degree as a network administrator so I can get around it but it is extremely annoying.

Like if this website ip banned me I could come back if I felt like it, but no point in going through all of that hassle.

Respond to a few of those PUAs with some objections you might get and see how they handle it if you like, but don't press the luck too much. You still want to be able to use OKcupid afterwards.

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With the pictures, you are correct. But they probably only have the MD5 checksum. All you have to tweak one pixel, and instantly you have a "new" photo. If they actually use a similarity scan(which I doubt), then you can easily beat it with a smoothing filter or a moire pattern removal(with fade correction afterwards, so it doesn't look super dark).
I don't know who told you this, but that's literally not possible. They *may* do a similarity scan, sort of like tools professors use, so you can't copy paste, but there is no way they can track language patterns. the DoD dumped hundreds of millions into figuring out such a system in the 70s and utterly failed.
So, when you change your ip, you're also changing the mac on you router, right? Because if you do, there should be no way for them to figure anything out. That's good enough to trick SPAM and Amazon, and they have a vastly more robust anti-fraud system.
Does your ISP not allow release and renew? If not, mac changes usually result in an automatic new ip. It takes one minute.

On a side note, I am now thinking about doing online dating, having started to read your suggested materials.
I found one dude with a good profile
http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=48254897

And about 150 with "I don't know what to put here. I like cake?"
And usually some terrible pics to boot. I'm only a little above average looking, but I know how to take good pics. I start to think I could do pretty darn well here.

Edit:
Could be that they're using browser thumbprinting. If so, you could get around it with a VM.

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Yes that's exactly how it feels like being a woman and in online dating.
I received all those type of messages.
I had at least 30+ messages a day in POF just like your fake profiles. The messages were similar.
However, you guys focus a lot in what is said on the opener.
I don't know how other girls chose to who they are going to talk to but this was mine selection tactic:
I have installed a chrome extension that I only need to drag my mouse on a photo to zoom in so I don't have to click anywhere and waste time.
So I was seeing everyday which were my new messages, I was dragging my mouse on the photo to make it bigger.. on the ones I was finding physically attractive I was first checking their profiles and the ones that had passed the photo test and profile test I was reading what they were saying.
Maybe I put too much attention on looks ... but it is interesting to know how many women don't follow my pattern of selection and go for personality.
Btw what type of responses do you usually get?

More messages



U can achieve anything miss u look so good if your heart is same u can do all and i hope u do best best thing comes to you


This one's a doozy

Now I'm sure you get about 1000 messages a day from strangers and I'm guessing 80% of them are disrespectful, however I can promise I am not like that. I will be nothing but a gentleman to you, you are one of the most gorgeous girls I have ever laid eyes on and I simply had to take a chance and message you, So if you would make me so lucky id really appreciate the chance to get to know a beautiful girl like you, maybe we can go out to dinner or do something else you'd like........or if you are looking at this waiting to get to the end so you can screenshot it, send it to your best friend and laugh about it then by all means don't let me hold you u


His profile summary isn't bad

My perfect date night: I pick you up. When you get in my car you see candles. You go "...isn't that dangerous?" And I go "Yes- but I like danger."

We go to your favorite restaurant and have a fantastic meal. We come outside and see my cars on fire.

You go "Your cars on fire! Aren't you upset?" I pull out a bag of marshmallows and I go, "No. I knew this was gonna happen"

And then I kiss you. In front of my burning car.


back to the messages
Can I borrow a kiss? I'll give it back!! I promise!

Hello there, great pic and profile I would like to get to know more about you please message me back if you are interested, I'm sure you get about a 1,000 messages so I won't be upset ifi if I don't get a response. I actually did read your profile and I really hope you'll give me the pleasure of taking you out.

Kevin


A little conversation:
DUDE
Kssssh. Delta this is Bravo. Come in Delta. Kssssh. Over.
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 15
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Melissa
Ah just lost the signal...
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
God damn T-Mobile..
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
But for real did you see the new 50 shades of grey movie?
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
Melissa
Not yet...is it worth a watch??
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
Kind of a disappointment compared to the book if I do say so
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
Did you read the book?
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
Let's to go hogwarts in universal.... I have a mild Harry potter obsession.
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
Melissa
I haven't read the book yet....but I wouldn't be surprised. And shit i am down for that hahaha. Harry Potter all the way...
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
Omg I really need a new friend can we please be friends like now? Lol
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
I'm thinking about going in May I'll take you if we're friends lol
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
They were building it last time I was there...I seen it on TV last night and it is literally my dream come true.
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
Melissa
We will see if you are worthy of being my friend . Hahaha, that is awesome though. I wouldn't mind seeing it.
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
Fuck it life's short
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
Start with your name and I'll see if you're worthy
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
Melissa
Melissa duhhh
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
Not duhhhhhh maybe It's your cats name or something lol
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
DUDE
I'm Mark. Have you ever been to Universal or Disney? They're my two favorite places in the world
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 16
Melissa
Reallly, I haven't been to either sadly...
Sent on Feb 18
DUDE
Holy shit that is pretty sad well I know where we're going first
Sent from the OkCupid app Feb 19
DUDE
So I guess we're not going to Disney anymore? ;(



This guy has to be PUA, I am going to test it out



You intrigued me with your smile, although it is kinda mischievous and says "I'm sweet but I know I can get away with things". You almost lost me with your impeccable spelling and use of grammar :p. You also drew me back in with active lifestyle, appreciation for intelligence and B.S calling abilities. I had to see if there was more to you than what meets the eye.

What's the best adventure you've been on in the last 6 months?
Hi I'm Miles
Sent on Feb 18
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DUDE
I sent you a message before and you didn't respond. I'm sure it wasn't anything personal; you probably get a million messages and things get lost in the shuffle.

My friend was looking over my shoulder and told me if I didn't message you again that she would. She's straight, so you don't have to worry about that. She knows me better than most people; she also thought your profile was intriguing and saw why we might get along. I figured it couldn't hurt to take mom's advice for once

What are you most excited for in 2015?
- Miles
Sent on Feb 22
DUDE
I sent you a couple of messages and you didn't respond... no worries. I'm really big on growing and learning in everything I do.

I was hoping you'd tell me why you decided not to message me back.

I'm guessing it's 1 of 3 things. If you could simply just reply with A, B, C or D that would be a huge help.

A. Messages weren't interesting
B. Photos weren't intriguing
C. Didn’t feel we had much in common
D. Something else

If you feel up for it you can elaborate. You won't hurt my feelings, so the more blunt the better! I know we've never met but I honestly appreciate it.

- Miles

P.S. This isn't a trick to get you to message me; I'm not going to debate your answer, just looking for honest feedback




And this guys true colors come out!


After a rigorously brief overview of your profile I wanted to let you know I have already married and divorced you in my mind.

Thank you for all the wonderful imaginary memories! You will always have a special place in my heart.

Your ex-hubby,
Dan

P.S.
You can keep the dog and Spice Girls CDs, and I will keep the house in Hawaii and the pink Ferrari =)

HAPPY VALENTINES DAY
Sent on Feb 15
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Melissa
This message seems familiar....
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
haha you are too adorkable… haha I don’t think we could ever reconcile the divorce – we are just too similar... we would fight and throw things and have incredible make up sex all over the place and fight more, then sex, fight, sex, fight… too much drama and intense feelings for me!
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
well at least you did something with the copy and paste method....
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
Well, I suppose it is worth the effort to try again and I do want to be together... and the sex was amazing (when you were able to handle it)! I’ll promise not to break your heart if you promise to lose the pool boy's number. I mean, come on, he had a peg leg and no eyelashes…

Speaking of numbers… I’m sorry; I seemed to have lost yours in all the messy divorce stuff. Why don’t you send it to me again and we can begin rebuilding. This time it’ll be fun, exciting, and full of adventure!
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
if only you were original...if only..
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
do you go to UB?
Sent on Feb 16
MELISSA
oh are you done with that whole thing up there ^?
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
give me something original
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
you dont know if you go to UB?
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
not answering until you give me an original opening message....up to you
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
So, I was thinking about robbing a bank, then fleeing down to the ocean, driving into the water in a really dramatic way and faking my own death.... are you in? Don't worry, scuba tanks are in the trunk.
By the way, you may need to drive though, and you should probably bring some sandwiches, no egg salad though, it smells like farts.
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
Dude...I have heard this one too....
Sent on Feb 16
Melissa
Just off the top of your head ....get creative...
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
k bye
Sent on Feb 16
DUDE
It was my birthday yesterday......
When are we finally hanging out?
Sent on Mar 2
Melissa
I thought we established this ...
Sent on Mar 3
DUDE
no
Sent on Mar 4
DUDE
Hey whats up what are you up to today?

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We had a debate in the chat room the other day on how the messages vs. pictures vs. profile was (for lack of a better term) calculated by women. Your input is really enlightening, and may be the case for the majority.

That being said, I'm thinking when the guys met looks and the profile didn't send up a red flag to you, a message that wasn't the same as the others created more of an impact on you...

Mr. Assertive, that stuff about the car was hilarious. The surprise of the car being on fire was delivered perfectly.

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