How can someone deem paying Russian models in a video and call it PU?

The process of cold approach or in other words, spamming girl after girl for lays is the way to go about overcoming anxiety, rejection, seeking validation, and walking up to someone you should not care what they think and asking them to fill your cup. Do you like me? * DANCING MONKEY * Do you like me now?
Agreed however, there is something attractive about throwing caution to the wind and really going for it or whatever you want in this life. I just started watching a series a girl mentioned about called "The Fall." Think of Dexter only much darker. Some Netflix original series a woman brought up who has the same character as the fifty shades movie. Its not bad however, once you get going, you get a first hand glimpse of misandry.

It is what Tyler refers to as "putz shaming" or "poison dropping" mother fuckers. The men are weaklings and pathetic. The women run the show except for one guy who is "the bad guy." Guarantee it is written and or directed by a woman. This stuff gets fed to men boot first. If you are not having an abundance of women in your life, if you are not playing it safe or like many forum users, not going out this year despite spamming the forum with little tangents not related to PU, you don't get it. You do not see it.

Most men are blue pill men plugged into the matrxi waiting to take their shit sandwich with a smile on it their face. Its not like the Disneyeques reality we were fed. I do not care what it cost be it financial or worse, time consuming in my process to getting to where I want to go in this life. If I want to go after quality women, I am going to approach, and PU lots of girls. I am not going to wait until women are pregnant, single mothers, past her SMV (sexual market value) or a woman just picks me before I follow the beaten path. Fuck that. I am going to be a man that makes moves. You can fine tune game with time but, at least you go through lots of girls. It is Plate Theory. Spin plates; some will take and some will drop but, the process is to keep spinning until you choose other wise rather than being shamed into monogamy or raising her children she pawned you with despite dna evidence.
Most guys are not past newbie nevermind intermediate or advanced. That would require going out, doing PU, learning the process, fine tuning a lifestyle, and actually having choice. Even when not getting a girl or laid, you still have choices, still have a great life with or without the girl.
Abundance > what she thinks/feels/does! If you have choice, if you are spamming cold approach which again is a elementary way of describing it, you have choice so, her keeping you or having an opinion is irrelevant. You have a prior, you have ambitions, goals, desires, a way of life, and you follow that path in life the way David Deida states in Way of The Superior Man. The world could come to an end tomorrow but, I will stick to my path in life and never let anything up root me from it. Advanced players know that women will use shitty emotions, negativity, poison dropping, and a variety of other things to shit test men. The one percent(ers) have it figured out, they laugh off the shit test, and continue on their path.
Bullshit. I know guys who have modeled, guys who are into fitness modeling, guys who are just naturally attractive. Never have they used PU, PUA forums or any of this shit cause they do not need too. They post a pic on a online dating profile, they get picked up, and women do most of the pickup. If they are avoidant, women are still turned on but, based upon their lifestyle, they are typically "secure" since the world has pan handled to them due to genetic predisposition.
RSD Alex is probably their best instructor. He taught me the samething. More importantly, he emphasized that it does not matter what moves you make but rather, you are a man who makes moves. This is attractive so, approaching or approaching her multiple times is brilliant. You know what you want, what you are doing, and you do not give up. It is more advanced because most guys will get need and chase whereas, this is not chasing. This is more like game probing interest levels.
You are looking for something linear that is not there. See a girl working during rush hour. I am not about to fuck her during rush hour traffic. Approach several times, see post workout, get talking... I mean really talking about interests, about my passions, and listening to her's. We know built some rapport. I told a girl in a similar situation, I will see you later. Her response? "I hope so." Took her number and hooked up the next time I approached. Yes, it took time but, these types of pulls are my personal favorite.

The problem with your mindset is again, instead of taking your experience into play, you are dismissing rsd Alex, the company as a whole rather then actually field testing and finding out. This works best on girls who are quality, who have a life, actually are employed, have things in their life going on, and during shitty logistics like a public setting or a secretary in a busy office building. It works. You should try it.
V, I hate to say it but, I can only imagine the kind of results you are getting with this mindset.

What? I say "value game" and "attraction game" don't work, and you say "I know good looking guys who don't run 'game' and they get results".
Um, yeah. Exactly what I just said. Running "Value game" and "attraction game" doesn't work.
I'm not the one attracting chicks who do coked out gangbangs in the bathroom.
You're the one who's been going on for the past several months about there being no quality women around. I've always exclusively went for women who are stable and together.
Based on your overall view of women, I would agree.
You don't sound as though you have ever managed to attract a quality woman, at any point in your life. Your only examples of women, are always bad ones. You have not once mentioned a positive relationship in your past.

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No. What you have done is trash rsd as well as the instructors that, push Gambler who clearly has paid models in his videos. I do not doubt he has game but, I guarantee there is a monetary exchange with the women in his videos instead of cold approach.
This is again your one dimensional thinking. If you spam cold approach (you do not), you meet cocaine users, party girls, women that want to gang bang, get pig roasted, and overall low level consciousness despite their SMV (sexual market value). You do not often meet high consciousness level women through cold approach pickup who are at the peak of their SMV.
And your experiences are next to none but, I await your response which consists of somebody else pickup experience and views on pickup. The only thing you nailed was that, the majority of women that have come through cold approach have been low level consciousness with very rare exceptions.

Yet without any first hand experience with spam approach, I seem to be correct about my two major points.
I say it is inefficient. You agree. I say it leads to low quality women, you agree.
Those two reasons are pretty much the entire reason I don't think it's a good idea in general. And they are precisely the reason I do not want to do it personally.

I think the only part you don't agree with, is only bothering with women who seem initially interested. You like to say that I need to spam approach to have an opinion on what it's a bad idea(even though you personally verify that the things I say about it are correct). Do you have experience going a whole night just moving through the venue, getting clear body language signals from women before you open your mouth, and trying all of the initially interested women, first?

I have a strong feeling you have not.

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Correct where I said. Now your making it up.
No. You are wrong 1) cause you do not do it so therefore you are giving your opinion like Neo or Fudge.

2) No experience with rsd. You heard someone tell you and you make assumptions. 3) Get some field experience then post.

Not once said it was a bad idea. I say it gives you results showing you what women are most of the time. Not to be feared. You seem to take the "I am scared" approach to pu evident in your batting average. Not every girl is a "good girl" or disneyeque like you thought.

So, do I wait for approach invitations another words, for women to choose me before I talk to her? The answer is no. That is not spamming cold approach. Women who give approach invitations are lay ups. Do you approach during rush hour when women are working? Do you approach secretaries in busy office buildings? What sort of logistics are you working against? From the sounds of it, you wait on a friend of a friend or social circle game.

Lol at the you need to do a free tour or RSD bootcamp to critique it logic. Someone doesnt have to do crack to see that it messes you up. They can see the effects on crackheads and say crack messes you up. I've never gone to a free tour, but the vast majority of RSD guys I've met do worse than most guys at the bar. And what's messed up is even if I or V did an RSD bootcamp and turned into "slayers," we still would have to say that the majority do badly. Just because I may be able to take crack and function doesnt equal crack is good for most people. Don't blame me for what I see. Blame the guys who follow RSD in the various cities I've been to who sucked at it.

From what I've read doesnt sound like a disagreement. Spam approaching = low quality girls and no fear. V's approach has some fear in it but leads to higher quality. Up to you what you choose.

I mean...yeah. The risk is neutralized for the most part because you know she's interested before you get into the set.

I used to cold approach all of the time. Even then I used a calibrated cold approach called a punch question.

All this does is cut out all of the guess work, allows me to get things done so much faster.

The people arguing for the cold approach are doing what the guy I winged with off of here did when I explained things to him. He is a student of Daygame Blueprint- With Andy Yosha and Yad. We sat there one day breaking down the game and he basically said what these guys were saying.

"Your options are dictated by women."

Taking persistence out of the equation my experience of using both methods in the field, and winging with guys off this site who do nothing but cold approach... It doesn't matter if you just walk up and start talking. A blow out will be a blow out whether it's through eye contact or when you walk up and start talking.

There are different IOIs I've broken them down in other threads. I calibrate based off the IOI.

The forcing of the IOI if performed correctly will give you a look into the women's soul. It happens so quickly the reaction is usually authentic.

Some women don't look at you. You have to cold approach them the old fashioned way. It should be a secondary tool, not a primary weapon.

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You make this sound as though the idea is to sit around and pray some girl comes to stand next to you.
I believe in moving towards women. Getting her attention. Ensuring that she sees you, and gauging how she reacts to you. This is by far the best way to know how well the interaction is going to go. It's mostly an unconscious reaction. But that tells you how she's going to react, the entire night.
If she gives off bad signals, and you approach anyway, know what usually happens? She's initially polite, and if you're charming, she may indeed turn around. She decides she likes your company. But she still doesn't have sexual interest in you. Even if she starts feeling some degree of attraction to you, her dinosaur brain is still where it was from the start. It doesn't like you. And it keeps nagging her the whole night saying "Not him! I feel uneasy!".
That's where "LMR" comes from. Contrary to the community perception that it's worry over being perceived as a slut(by herself or by you), it's mostly that she is not sexually attracted to you on a primal level. You've gotten her logical mind on board. You're fun and cool and sexy! But that urge just isn't there. She isn't having to restrain her inner desire to fuck your brains out. No, she's having to actively try to get herself turned on.
Not particularly. I don't meet all that many people that way. I meet a lot of new people, of both genders. And the way I prefer to do it, is to meet strangers, not going for SNLs, but literally networking and establishing connections. Yes, I target physically attractive women who look professional. But from there, I'm not even looking for SNLs.

I've always got two FWBs that have me totally fine in the sex category. I'm not looking for a new girl until one of current friends starts becoming stale. Then I already have a number of acquaintances to meet up with and get things rolling.

Most of the girls I meet, I don't try to sleep with. I get them in contact with business associates, I have them as a personal contact in their field. I invite them to do things with my friends.

I have a lot more potentially interested women, than I have time to date. When I was younger, I tried the idea of seeing 4-5 women and it's just insane. I didn't like it. 2-3 is best, and I really prefer just 2.
And because I have options and I know these women, I already know which ones have their shit together and will be compatible with me. That's something I can't even establish in a single night. Girls are different people from day to day and situation to situation. To have a good feel for her, I need to see at least several times in different contexts.

I know you can say, "But V! You've only slept with about 60 women. That's like 5 per year!" Yes, it is. But I have the opportunity to easily quintuple this number. I don't personally want to do this, but other guys easily could. At which point you'd be looking at 25-30 lays per year, with very little effort and almost all of it as fun, positive, and building areas of your life outside of just sex.

I talk to random women in the mall, in bars, at conventions, at churches, in the park, etc, etc. But I still follow the principal of getting a physical response from her before saying a word. %90 of women don't want to talk to me. That's cool. There are tens of thousands of other women in the city and certainly nine more in the general vicinity. Why would I even want to spend time chasing a woman who's not even interested in me?
I'm only attracted to women who are attracted to me. If she isn't, I'm not even interested in her. I've never had to deal with unrequited love, and that's because of this reason. I don't want most women, and most women don't want me. That's cool. I'm selective and I expect the same out of any women I would be with. I'm screening for basic compatibility on a primal level. Nothing does that better than eye contact and body language.

Have you ever read Blink from Malcom Gladwell?

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Vicarious learning is a powerful tool. It's essentially what we're here doing for these new guys.

I have to disagree with the fear aspect. Well, if you are afraid to begin with then yeah it won't help you numb yourself to rejection...because you most likely won't be rejected. If you simply aren't afraid already it won't create fear. It will only enhance your "batting average".

I mean, who gets into pick up to numb themselves to rejection? I for one got into it to get laid more often.

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That is the way you made it out or sounded it. Spamming is a miniscule way of saying approach every girl who turns you on. A better way of viewing spam cold approach is to think of the movie T2 with arnold carrying the chain gun and unloading.
That is why you approach bro.
Again, very assumptive. Noticing a pattern here. Assumption on how she will react. Assume how a rsd boot camp or event will go. Worse, listen to what other people say of pu and group think? Reading social cues is one thing, picking up on body language is fine but, letting it excuse you from approaching or blaming logistics is weak.
You place too much emphasis on what she thinks, does, feels. I do not. If you recall, I stated I do not care what people think. I do not go out of my way to hurt feelings or affect people negatively but, I am not micro managing feelings. In all do respect, your thinking is short sighted as you are missing the larger picture.

Her initial disinterested is irrelevant. You built social proof in the bar. You can do as Traveler suggested from RSD Alex and approach again later. Again, she has friends, sister, knows other girls, and now, you have got the ball rolling. Its something you should consider. Something else I have come across from PU is that, women have extremely declining SMV, and they know this on a subconscious level. Once it has manifested, she will sing you a different tune, and her being elusive tends to change. I am quick to point this out in a subtle way. Women have kids, put on weight, SMV drops, and now, she wants to play victim hood. It is absolutely disgusting.
Again, too short sighted. I pulled doing that pinball method. Approach lots of girls. Interact, lots of push/pull. Lots of flirty teasing but, no heavy esculation. I bounce back and forth. I do like RSD Alex suggested, approach and re approach. Start new sets. Pawn old sets with chodes, introduce mixed sets, mix and match. Mix up isolation. Spread myself out.

Guess who pulled? One girl I wanted was drinking. If she has had more then three drinks, its off. I will take a number. I followed up and ended up taking a girl's hand, leading her to the dance floor, and then my front seat. She invited me in for "coffee," I agreed but, stated I had a early morning. I got naked and we fucked. I seen her a few times since. Nice girl. Real cute but, too much party for a old soul like me.
Women today are more trashy now then in the past hundred or so years. We got phaggotry like KW marrying a woman who pimped herself out and prostituted her way into "stardom" for monetary gain. Yes, some women have anti-slut defense but, she is one girl meaning, this is a problem due to your not approaching or spam approaching enough girls. What you do in a week, I likely do in a night. I do not think of PU when out. I just talk to lots of girls, I flirt, and see who is my type, who I like, and have chemistry with. I even push some girls off and away, approach more girls, re approach again, and see who I want to leave with. Again, I am not great at ons but, when they come, its because of spam approaching.
We take different approaches but, even if you are not into rsd, I highly recommend listening to vids. take something, if anything at all. If a company can pimp individually and rake in over a million plus, they are doing something correct. Be with women who like you. You know that through trial and error. PU is messy. Its not suppose to be easy. It is hard work.
Again, we live by different approaches or methods. That is fine but, dismissing rsd or cold approach via spam is ridiculous.

As I stated, I pulled over the Holidays prior to Christmas, left to do more cold approach, spamming girl after girl, and then a after party with more girls. Even through spam approaching, you can go on a dry spell but, with your method, I assure you you enter dry spells more then someone that spams cold approach. I pull or have a fwb, I am banging the guns regardless and then some. FWBs are nice as is ons or a open relationship but, it does not last. Men are not antifragile. Women are as they are prone to having sex even if they are shitty people. They are prone to social assistance, child/spousal support, white knights/social justice warriors, and female privilege. Our society promotes YOLO. Pop bottles, be emotive rather then stoic. Spamming cold approaching and pin balling from girl to girl is stoic. It is hard work. It is time consuming. I will state again, PU as a system is not the most effective system.

If you take David Deangelo or Eben Pagen, real estate agent and business man; this guy did it correct in making loads of money. Millions of dollars were made because the man is a genius. If people spent 75% of there time obsessing over PU with something like real estate or business, they likely would be a lot closer to financial freedom then they are now.
Networking is fine but, we are talking cold approach. I am doing cold approaching to the point of spam. I have made contacts through cold approach but that is a bonus. Getting laid is the point. If you are not getting laid through what you are doing, it is not effective and should be discarded.
I do not limit myself with petty numbers like that. I had more then your largest number stated above over the holidays. Currently, I have less due to my hectic lifestyle, trade school, apprenticeship, business ventures, and a variety of other things.
Which is why again, rsd gets shitted on but they have some of the more bad ass players on the forums like JMLUB/V with 200+ kills in a year, Ambiguity, Distantlight, Chinaboy, and so on. Users like Manwhore who make appearances at 21 Convention. Many of the users who are good were 1) natural 2) former assistant but, they approach lots of girls in areas like Vegas, LA, NYC, London, etc. where PU is huge but so is feminism jargon. It is not without consequences.
Which is still a miniscule amount of women when compared to Zyzz or Yaboydave or Jmluv/Ambiguity/Distantlight etc. I do not agree with everything rsd does. I can say Alex and Julien are pimp from first hand experience. They are legit. Alex kind of seemed to brag a bit about having a company visa card in attempt to pull some girl back. It did not happen and what it taught me was that, sometimes, shit happens and it wont go down. Julien is just fucked. The guy eats, sleeps, and breathes game. Spits fire in his sleep and posts videos to create a dramatic response. He is the most known PUA on the planet and not liked but, he is among the most effective I have come to know.
Again, you are being assumptive. I would say the samething of myself. Even 10% may be a bit high but, through pure cold approach, spam girl after girl; that is a ridiculous conversion rate. 1/10 girls you pull? Even Julien was saying that is high. The emphasis of pulling 1 girl of every ten approaches is fucking ridiculous. The thing about approaching nonstop like firing a chain gun is that you ween away the bullshit. If I put my head on a pillow, I would pass out. I am tried.

There is a difference between chasing and approaching and chasing and re approaching. The difference is subtle. In many of cases, I approach, take a number, and do it just to do it. I am sharpening my social skills. I am moving into my prime SMV (sexual Market value) whereas, women are moving out of their SMV with each passing moment. Women 18+ are into older men. Women who are older are baron, lacking in feminine qualities, and expiring. Women hate it in hollywood but, the peak of SMV in females is youth.

EG K Stew banging a older married director > Chris "Thor" fucking Hemsworth.

Men need to wake up. I do not care about her disinterest in me or what people think. You called me a sociopath. I bet JMLUV is too. Ambiguity is a narcissist. Distantlight just seemed like a cool black kid with game and a awesome lifestyle.
That is fine man. To you, this is what you like but, you could definitely improve on SNLs or ONS. I know I sure could. If I was Julien's assistant for a couple months or a year, I would be looking like a Super Sayjin in the bars throwing fire balls and getting laid. My lifestyle does not permit such possibility of being a servant for a month or year unpaid. I want to buy more properties and expand a business. Cold approach will show me who is into me.

The problem with your method or my method in not getting consistent ONS is that, women who are attracted to a man will go home with him then. She makes men wait because of beta male shaming and the fact she fucks psychos, sociopaths, the Julien Blancs and the JMLUVs. Men that fuck with her self esteem and psychology.
No. I have not. I am looking over A brief History of Time by Stephen Hawking and glancing over 3% by Corey Wayne. I think he is beta but, like Doc Love's the System, I am compelled to see what is there.

More mental masturbation from guys who do not go out is not what this thread needs nor the forums.

If you do not approach currently or have no experience with a company, disclose that so people can skip the posts and out the kjs.

This exact side debate - cold approaching/spam approaching/KJ accusations, mental masturbation, who's good/who sucks... It all already exists in a number of other threads... And with the same participants.

Please don't derail this thread, guys... I get that it's a debate - but it's already occurred... A number of times.

Move on, or we can lock the thread... one or the other.

The op Made a post detailing the real principles of game. Several posters disagree on the principles and we are having a general chat about pick-up and the principles.

Just because you don't like what's being discussed doesn't mean it's breaking any rules.

The KJ accusations, mental masturbation comments are coming out of one guy and they haven't been responded to in this thread except by you Charles. This is a different debate than what happened in those other threads. The context of the discussion is different even if a certain predictable guy keeps bringing up the same supporting examples.

I just watched a video from RSD Alex Like Tr@veler suggested to me. It's actually pretty good. I'll watch more of him. I would recommend him having seen his advice. Madman is a word that strikes me about this guy though...

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Not debating it with you. Feel free to shop around for other threads containing these exact talking points if you need to contribute to them.

As for this - The original topic is a fine topic... we're not getting sidetracked, though - with this... again. It's a forum rule... Don't derail threads (and I know you're not doing it...)

No one is forcing me to close this... And I don't plan on it if we can all move on from the side discussion. End of story.

the op added content from a alternative source which is being attacked by phaggotry, forum users who post more then they approach let alone, guys who do not go out. If mods will not call people out on kj, I will.

What Travel said about RSD Alex is money regarding approaching and re approaching but, this kind of stuff gets dismissed again from people who do not do PU. For anyone that actually goes out, they know when are at different points in their life, hooking up with different dudes, and its cool. You do not wife up the jump off but it does not mean you wont nail her and not be all that fond of her.

Self amusing is another point op made. This is awesome analysis and game trademark from even naturals like Zyzz or Yaboydave. Guys like JMLUV was a little more rapey but, he got the job done in pure physicality. Its not something the company will market as they are already in hot water with JB shennanigans.

More stuff like freedom from outcome and intent is money. I just found it interesting the way rsd gets called out on but, instructors hiring paid models in videos and nobody seems to mention the obvious. Most pu companies are shitty in some way or another but, I have taken a lot away from them. This does not mean I agree with what JB advocated.