Just my measly $0.02, but I think I can understand where OP is coming from. I see a lot of folks suggesting to just go out and enjoy yourself socially, whether you get laid or not. Some of us out there are introverts, and some of us are outgoing introverts. Basically, we don't thrive off of social interaction as much as the pure extrovert does. Yes we may enjoy it, but it takes mental effort for things to go smoothly, and that effort drains our mental capacity. This may just be dealing with basic conversation much less trying to escalate things. I know for me, I've come a VERY long way from becoming a total shut-in introvert to a more outgoing person. I enjoy the hell out of socializing once I get over approach anxiety, but then when I wake up the next day I feel depressed. I still haven't figured out if it's a crash from the high, or withdrawal, or what.

But anyway, I'm willing to bet my month's salary that the most successful PUAs are pure extroverts, which is why many of them have a hard time understanding how mentally taxing it can be for non-extroverts.

I agree.

the only work to it is studying. and getting out and actually doing the techniques. you don't have to pay attention to the girls. just act like you are. act like u care. sometimes you get laid faster if you don't even try to act like you care. hahaha

For those with introvert qualities acting like you're interested and acting like you care take more mental work than actually being interested and actually caring.

Then ACTUALLY BE interested and caring.

The whole "woe is me" attitude I see here sometimes gets on my nerves. There's always drawbacks or things that are mentally/physically taxing in life. Nothing is a walk in the park. For example, I don't necessarily enjoy my night job, but you know what I love, having money. As a high school baseball coach, I hate dealing with bitchy parents, but you know what I love, when those same bitchy parents donate money to my program because I taught their kid how to drop bombs. I don't like talking to girls necessarily either (most of them don't have anything important to say), but you know what I love? Getting laid.

It may be harder for introverts to go out but so what? Work harder. As an undersized baseball player it was harder for me to crack the starting lineup in College. I busted my ass in the weight room even though I knew I'd have to sit out a year to redshirt. The point is to suck it up and do it. . . . OR don't get laid. . . OR go buy a hooker.

As an introvert myself, yes it is a little taxing but here's a secret: It's fun as hell and it's fucking worth it.

The goal isn't to become an extrovert. The goal isn't to become some idea of a pua or a social monkey. The goal is to get the girl. . . and you can do plenty of "getting the girl" in a way that fits your personality.

It's easy to spot the loudmouth pu-guy anywhere in the World. . . in fact, they'll find you. Shake your hand, tell you off, challenge your manhood, tell a joke, hahaha. . . etc . . . they chat about chicks, walk around the bar, do their clown show . . .This is probably the reason why so many of you believe that PU = extrovert. These are the types that are highly visible and audible.

The kicker is that ^these folks are not typically "naturally extroverted". They are in fact introverts who mentally force extroverted behavior. They are physical. They are loud. They are high/drunk. They offer well scripted monologues. . . and at night's end, they are exhausted. This is no fun for anybody.

All it takes is a chat . . . and a chat is a dialogue, not a monologue. And a chat begins with a simple intro/hook. It doesn't take much. Nobody wants to be lectured and nobody wants to be challenged at a bar or any other social establishment.

Viewing women as "stuck-up challenges" drives men to force the conversation one way. Viewing them with some empathy drives men to "guide" the conversation one way. These are two very different things. . . Mostly, you can let them do most of the talking. . . they just need a guide.

Joshua Pelecir Talks about this in the Tao of Badass.

He refers to it in his value system where he teaches you to measure the value of the person in front of you. The scale is amazing and really opened my eyes to the different types of people around me.

Here is the thing, he calls it POIC. Polar opposite insecurity complex. When a person tries desperately to be the opposite of the weakness they saw in themselves. They try so hard they overcompensate. Like how most bullies are actually cowards on the inside.

The introverted guy becomes this loud boisterous blabbermouth. Then feels drained at the end of the day. Stop feeding into the mass marketed McDonald's pick up materials. There are systems designed for people who don't want to be a dancing monkey all night. For instance...Steal Seduction isn't hard at all. I barely do any talking and I dominate the club.

Another trick I use for the club requires no talking. Dtrak called it turf control.

This is what I do when I'm feeling lazy as fuck.

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Exactly. And this is what I keep stressing. If what you're doing is taxing, and makes you miserable, you need to do things a different way.
Going out and meeting women should be FUN. You should enjoy yourself. If you aren't, then you're meeting them the wrong way.
You don't have to meet them any particular way, and there almost has to be some way that you'll like. Do it the way that you enjoy it.
I like this. I may use this phrase in the future.

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Well said. I do notice a internet phenomenon of men who are acting like women projecting victimizing themselves claiming to be forever alone. It is pathetic. If you step back and listen to what gets said on most forums in PU even this one, you get complete rubbish from users who out themselves as a kj saying they do not go out despite trolling threads and detouring with little tangents before saying they do not go out never mind approach. It is pathetic.

The difference is that, you sir have balls to go for the things you want including base ball or getting laid. Most do not even approach or go out. If you ever show up to a free tour event, you see these passive drones who think PU is showing up, talking about women and mental masturbating theory from their mother's basement. Actually going out and getting girls is "too much work." Yes, low level consciousness women is a turn off and frequenting them through spam cold approach is inevitable. Then again, getting girls is always better then phaggotry in not getting girls.

If a man wants easy, be a pussy, and victimize yourself the way a lot of women do. Create a pity party. The difference is that, women will still get laid despite being a shitty human being whereas, men will not. This shit about gender neutrality is a sham. Men and women have different qualities, strengths, and talents to offer. If a man does not handle his shit, he wont get laid or survive. Women can do the absolute bare minimum while they are at the peak of their SMV (sexual market value). Some white knight or social justice warrior practicing phaggotry will pan handle to her every need. What follows is, women victimizing themselves following their demise of their SMV. Having not established a fucking thing in her life, she is lost, a single mother with children, and her life revolves around social media pity party cries for attention. Its pathetic but, many forums include men who do pretty much the same thing. What men need to realize is that, while women become well aware of their SMV early on in life, men take a longer time to reach their peak but, their SMV lasts much longer. Unfortunately, most men are too fucking stupid to get to their SMV where they can actually capitalize on it. Instead, they check out when women have used up their SMV, get married, and raise her children or children she has pawned off as his.

Why not go throughout your teens, twenties, maybe even thirties learning game? Perfecting game; what works, what does not, and learn from each experience? Search up Plate Theory and actually go about spinning plates. Some plates spin and some don't but, you go back and get more. This is what PU attempts to promote although, very few get it right. Anytime monetary gain is involved, people should be skeptical.

^"woe is me"

And here is why, a person like joe see's the world through black eyes. Not in the sense of his race, but in the sense that everything is painted black. The OP thinks along these same lines, and I sense hatred from them. The reason OP is fed up with the approach is because...he doesn't like women. Neither does Joe.

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Very well put. 100% agree.

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it must be horrible being a guy who dislikes women, but as the primal urge to sleep with them. You all must feel like actors/liars every time you interact with women.

You should invest time in changing this belief if you ever want to obtain anything but emptiness from this game.

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and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

At times in the past I've gotten down also but the reality is women will never change only you can change your attitude about the game. It's simply mindset at the end of the day, and also depends on why you hang with. Hang with guys who are better than you.

By the way as a man, you have no business letting women get to your emotions. Men are supposed to bounce this shit off them immediately.

Very nicely said. Its true. Especially if you are meeting hundred girls every week. Dealing with shit tests, white knights or maginas, guys claiming their oneittus is their gf, female entitlement, and a bunh of low level consciousness, it will take its toll. Spamming cold approach can provoke a lot of things but, its our responsibility to make a good life.
So true. Tyler had a mentor. The man who got kicked off planet Earth and still pulled a shit load of girls had a mentor. The JMLUV rsdnation member who pulled over 200 girls in a year had a mentor (Tyler).

JB is probably their best instructor but, he had Tyler as a mentor show him the ropes, and then, he went nuts with the whole drama thing. Point is, we can learn a lot from other people, and if you listen to Tai Lopez, he recommends the 33% law; essentially a third, a third, a third. A third is better then you, a third is like you, and a third you are "better then." Its mentoring from the top you mentoring others. It makes you avoid being lazy. As I get older, many of my wings are young, some 18/19 or mid twenties. The point is that, you get older, lazy, watch players settle down, get married, have kids, and or become a mangina, you need to find role models to prevent that bush league lifestyle. Tyler taught me this.
Agreed. I discussed this with a former wing. He was talking about "male suppression," referencing men and their inability to express emotions like sadness or crying. I went onto say that male suppression goes far beyond crying or being sad and openly expressing it. We have cat call vids that call out men for complimenting or greeting women. I don't want to live on this planet anymore bro. Male suppression reeks in PU since for the most part, it comes from a place of scarcity. For that reason, I like Johnny Berba and John Cooper.