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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:10 am 
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Are all pua's bad people? Who use neuro-linguistic programming to get a woman into bed and then toss them out?

Is it possible to get better with women but at the same time keep your morals in check?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 8:17 am 
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NLP is a farse.

Your other question, yes.

Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 9:32 am 
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NLP is a farse.

Your other question, yes.

Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
This could not be more wrong. Pickup techniques are what you make them. It's up to you to interpret them the right way. But it also depends on what you mean with "techniques". Let me give you a few examples.

Mystery Method, based on techniques and routines that make you a robot. Will most likely make you fail. But as someone put it, don't focus on what to DO, but on the person you need to BE. If you analyse the techniques (interpret them correctly) in MM you will realize they are actually BEHAVIORS successful men use. And all these behaviors follows from having the right ATTITUDE.

RSD has matured and realized this. They teach how to become an attractive man through self development, looking at all aspects of life, not only a few techniques you can use in a club.

About NLP. I don't know many such techniques other than pacing and leading. But this is a technique that works like a charm and that people use unconsciously all the time. It's natural human behavior.

I've used all these techniques, especially one night three years ago when I made a couple of girls go crazy on me. I am just about to marry one of them, and we have a son together. How about that, as an answer to "you can't use pickup techniques to get relationships"?


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NLP is a farse.

Your other question, yes.

Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
This could not be more wrong. Pickup techniques are what you make them. It's up to you to interpret them the right way. But it also depends on what you mean with "techniques". Let me give you a few examples.

Mystery Method, based on techniques and routines that make you a robot. Will most likely make you fail. But as someone put it, don't focus on what to DO, but on the person you need to BE. If you analyse the techniques (interpret them correctly) in MM you will realize they are actually BEHAVIORS successful men use. And all these behaviors follows from having the right ATTITUDE.

RSD has matured and realized this. They teach how to become an attractive man through self development, looking at all aspects of life, not only a few techniques you can use in a club.

About NLP. I don't know many such techniques other than pacing and leading. But this is a technique that works like a charm and that people use unconsciously all the time. It's natural human behavior.

I've used all these techniques, especially one night three years ago when I made a couple of girls go crazy on me. I am just about to marry one of them, and we have a son together. How about that, as an answer to "you can't use pickup techniques to get relationships"?

Being one's own person has nothing, whatsoever to do with pickup. Pickup is only trying to commodify the development of a 'better self', something which was catalyzed by the self-help movement in itself.

NLP has been debunked by research, search any reputable psych database (e.g., psycINFO) and you'll come across numerous studies which clearly prove this.

Most guys using PU methods who succeed with the odd girl are drawing incorrect causal references. The girl liked him to begin with prior to the use of these methods, but to his mind his success is predicated on the use of these pointless techniques.

As per RSD, it does promote building a stronger self, becoming centered in one's self - apart from some of the rapey, mysoginistic views it also helps perpetuate. That said, RSD is simply hijacking the self movement begun in the 1960s to sell product.

Pickup techniques are NOT open to interpretation as many are quite specific about algorithms and routines that insecure guys can rely upon, rather than encouraging guys to better themselves.


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Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
Psychology Today would disagree with you: Do Pick-Up Artist Techniques Really Work?
Science supports "game" and the "seduction" techniques of pick-up artists.

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Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
Psychology Today would disagree with you: Do Pick-Up Artist Techniques Really Work?
Science supports "game" and the "seduction" techniques of pick-up artists.
Psychology Today has about the same level of credibility as pop psych personality tests one would find in Cosmo. Almost all of the articles are anecdotal at best, and most are not scholarly nor peer reviewed. I work in the field of mental health and it's widely known amongst those in my area of expertise that Psychology Today has about as much credence as Dr. Phil.


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Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
Psychology Today would disagree with you: Do Pick-Up Artist Techniques Really Work?
Science supports "game" and the "seduction" techniques of pick-up artists.
Psychology Today has about the same level of credibility as pop psych personality tests one would find in Cosmo. Almost all of the articles are anecdotal at best, and most are not scholarly nor peer reviewed. I work in the field of mental health and it's widely known amongst those in my area of expertise that Psychology Today has about as much credence as Dr. Phil.
While that may or may not be true of the reputation of that publication, that article was written based on an actual study at Oxford University. What do the people that work in the field of mental health think of that institutions credibility?

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Are all pua's bad people? Who use neuro-linguistic programming to get a woman into bed and then toss them out?

Is it possible to get better with women but at the same time keep your morals in check?

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1. Most PUA's don't practice NLP, much less intentionally use it in the field.
2. Learning pick up artistry is no more immoral than reading a book about interview techniques before going for a job interview.
3. I'd say the vast majority of people on pickup forums and the like are normal, moral people.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:13 pm 
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NLP is a farse.

Your other question, yes.

Most any guy can pickup a woman - keeping one is a different matter entirely. Pickup only breeds insecurity and is fear based. It cannot work for building and sustaining meaningful relationships. Unfortunately a lot of the people on this board have been brainwashed to believe otherwise. Most of them will realize, in time, that so-called Pickup techniques don't work, and will fall into their own style, the rest will remain disgruntled and never get over their 'women' problems not realizing its their own self-limiting beliefs that are holding them back from 'success'.
This could not be more wrong. Pickup techniques are what you make them. It's up to you to interpret them the right way. But it also depends on what you mean with "techniques". Let me give you a few examples.

Mystery Method, based on techniques and routines that make you a robot. Will most likely make you fail. But as someone put it, don't focus on what to DO, but on the person you need to BE. If you analyse the techniques (interpret them correctly) in MM you will realize they are actually BEHAVIORS successful men use. And all these behaviors follows from having the right ATTITUDE.

RSD has matured and realized this. They teach how to become an attractive man through self development, looking at all aspects of life, not only a few techniques you can use in a club.

About NLP. I don't know many such techniques other than pacing and leading. But this is a technique that works like a charm and that people use unconsciously all the time. It's natural human behavior.

I've used all these techniques, especially one night three years ago when I made a couple of girls go crazy on me. I am just about to marry one of them, and we have a son together. How about that, as an answer to "you can't use pickup techniques to get relationships"?

Being one's own person has nothing, whatsoever to do with pickup. Pickup is only trying to commodify the development of a 'better self', something which was catalyzed by the self-help movement in itself.

NLP has been debunked by research, search any reputable psych database (e.g., psycINFO) and you'll come across numerous studies which clearly prove this.

Most guys using PU methods who succeed with the odd girl are drawing incorrect causal references. The girl liked him to begin with prior to the use of these methods, but to his mind his success is predicated on the use of these pointless techniques.

As per RSD, it does promote building a stronger self, becoming centered in one's self - apart from some of the rapey, mysoginistic views it also helps perpetuate. That said, RSD is simply hijacking the self movement begun in the 1960s to sell product.

Pickup techniques are NOT open to interpretation as many are quite specific about algorithms and routines that insecure guys can rely upon, rather than encouraging guys to better themselves.
1. I don't agree that pickup breeds fear and insecurity when done correctly.
2. There are many guys who use PU methods on women the very FIRST time they meet them, so it would be incorrect of you to say that the girl liked him prior to the use of these methods.
3. There are many pickup techniques that are open to interpretation, and many schools of thought that the best pickup techniques are actually those personalised and tweaked for the individual user.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 26, 2015 3:30 pm 
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No, PUA is not bad person in general, as every nation has good and bad people, there are also good and bad PUAs.

I personally believe that picking up girls doesnt make u bad person, as long as girl is not hurt after it. PUA needs to establish right mind frame so that girl will know it is just going to be one night (maybe more). Girl should feel good after being with PUA bcs it will make her satisfied, and feel her right way.

Unfortunately some PUAs dont make girls feel good, but it is bcs they dont have good game.

Also, becoming PUA made a lot of frustrated, unconfident guys better person, even successful. Pick up teaches u to become better person, if ur not improving urself, u cant be good pua, especially if u dont have looks.


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1. I don't agree that pickup breeds fear and insecurity when done correctly.
2. There are many guys who use PU methods on women the very FIRST time they meet them, so it would be incorrect of you to say that the girl liked him prior to the use of these methods.
3. There are many pickup techniques that are open to interpretation, and many schools of thought that the best pickup techniques are actually those personalised and tweaked for the individual user.
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Read my posts....do I sound like a bad person? To each their own, you know who you are. Every day you wake up and look at yourself in the mirror. There's no running away from that. Then again I don't consider myself a pickup artists. I just look for quality people to hang out with 8) . I use PU to improve my life and possibly others

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 27, 2015 7:09 pm 
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a feminist was quoted as saying that puas are social misfits who try and appear to be normal. and from a point of view she is right. most pick up artists i ve met and ive met a lot in 10 years are being honest, introverted and nerdy. the bookworm, the nerd, the geek, the guy who studied too hard at school and neglected everything else, the guy who instead of going out stuck his nose in a book. thats why the most common job of guys learning pickup (computer specialist) says it all really

the guys who are most popular with girls, the jock the extrovert, the loaded with money, the sports star, the muscular, famous guys, the guys who treat women like crap.

make what you will who is the bad person....

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My definition of a PUA : Anyone who was very bad with girls and joined the community to learn how to get better with girls and actually got better. Got his sex life in check. And is very good at getting laid consistantly.
Also a pua has alot of knowledge of what to do in diffrent scenarios with girls and is very good socially and useually very positive, has a awsome life, loves life and loves people and his family.

Good puas are useually super cool people that share their knowledge with does in need because they went through the same shit in the past and know it is possible to change yourself and become better with women.

Any other bullshit you hear about PUAS is bullshit. lol.

Of course, anything good can also be used for bad, but most of the guys who exploit women end up paying for it. i believe in karma.

I think PUA is an overall VERY GOOD thing for the world and for women.

If you are a good pua you show women the best time of their life and get in the best relationships

it should be a win/win for the both of you

Pick up is simply an art


A fine one at that

but just like painting and drawing.... some people dont paint the right picture

but you can be an amazing artist.

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1. I don't agree that pickup breeds fear and insecurity when done correctly.
2. There are many guys who use PU methods on women the very FIRST time they meet them, so it would be incorrect of you to say that the girl liked him prior to the use of these methods.
3. There are many pickup techniques that are open to interpretation, and many schools of thought that the best pickup techniques are actually those personalised and tweaked for the individual user.
Elaborate on 1)
What's there to elaborate on?

Pickup basically teaches you to be more attractive to women. Whether that makes you fearful and insecure is up to you, but personally an attractive person would be the exact OPPOSITE - they're not afraid or insecure because they are confident in their ability to attract women.


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