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PostPosted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 4:27 pm 
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Lol. Even the most alpha male pua guru admits that he probably gets 1 out of every 5 girls for the most through cold approach. And that's a very optimistic estimation when you take into account flakes. So if Pickup is typically not high success rate (ie numbers game), then betas are getting most of the girls. So shouldnt the question be, why do PUA's get some of the good looking girls? Unless alpha males are guaranteed to get the girl every time it's not beta guys getting the girl that is a rare thing.


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1. Luck
You see them with the girl, but do you see what happens after?

She dumps him for a real man, or she fucks a real man behind his back while he supports her.

or
2. He gets lucky and she is great.

NOTHING is set in stone, use your head fellas.

If you can solve a math equation you can figure this shit out on your own.

I said it once and ill say it again

PICK UP is COMMON SENSE

IF IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE

SOMETHING IS WRONG

let me ellaborate, if i tell you to go neg a girl, and you go out negging girls and getting bad reactions all the time

do you continue negging girls?

or do you decide, okay... maybe i should tease girls enstead, that seems to work for me... and then BAMN you start succeeding.

If a guru told you to jump of a bridge.. would you do it?

or would you look down first and see if you can survive the fall? ;)

Point being

-Theres diffrent ways to do things
-There are always principles at work within a pick up
-Losers can get girls too due to the principles working in their favor(luck)
-Use your own head

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(TL; DR rant brought on by Ritalin and second-hand MGTOW below...need to take some easier courses next term and get my dick sucked. To quote Heath Ledger, "what doesn't kill you, makes you stranger.")

I think the big thing that tends to stop me has just been all the faux-alphas I've known who basically just borderline abuse their girlfriends to keep them around. The pathetic thing - in the sense that what makes you feel ashamed and sorry about the entire situation - is that because of how women apparently think, they just stick around to get used as toilet paper by these losers. This one kid I used to hang out with, right before we stopped hanging out found a girlfriend and it was just this downward spiral. He starts missing out on work because he's hanging out with her - it was the first opportunity he had had for anything like a real career, of course I wanted to help my friend so I had given him a lift to the interview and i told him, man, if you can't take the commute, borrow the money for a place closer to the shop and I'll help you move, then he basically throws in a douche move every fifteen minutes - it was to the point where she would loses weight and he would criticize the pace at which she'd lose weight. Then there was this other kid I used to hang out with whom after the fact it was pretty easy to tell had antisocial personality disorder. He'd basically just abuse and guilt trip his girlfriend into feeding and watering him while he rotted in front of the tube in the room his parents rented for them. Those guys are why I just have contempt for the sort of advice that portends to let guys get and keep girlfriends - because the reality is that it's some ghetto sociopath undermining some poor girl's self esteem so he can use a snatch instead of his hand.

Then on the other side, guys who do have their shit together and go for a committed relationship just seem to get fucked over - i.e. my rich uncle's fuck up son and his controlling bitch of a wife who isn't even his baby mama - I gotta say I basically lost any respect for him I had when he got married, and the grapevine gossip about "she keeps him in line" combined with the social snubs and rudeness basically paints the whole picture. I could kind of feel for what he wanted to do when he fought his baby mama for custody to keep her from giving the child up for adoption, but spending your dad's money to play house with some bloodsucking harridan is just pathetic. Then you can look at the guys from small ass towns with brutal social pressures shackling themselves to pretty meh broads strictly so they can say they have a gf - that sounds less appealing than a sandpaper enema and just makes me glad as shit I live in the suburbs. It's probably better THAN prison, it just doesn't SOUND any better. The older guys with whom I did construction would talk about how they would only let their wives suck their dicks since they cheated on them, or have a look of death on their faces, bitching about how their wife who was dying of some kind of terminal illness wouldn't do an open marriage even though she was at the point where she had no libido or talk about constantly having to police their girlfriends from nailing the even older guy who lived next to them. My impression is that it's definitely a tiny minority of more-or-less self-made people predominantly in and from professional backgrounds who seem to be the ones with functional relationships, and even then it's not like there's never a divorce and the prenup won't always hold up. Hell, this one kid with whom I went to high school now LITERALLY drives racecars for fun because of the success of what he built out of his high school business - sex life ENTIRELY built on that - the one fly in the ointment is his older wife who basically lives in his house and keeps taking business course after business course and breaking his stuff in fights while constituting this sort of perennial puzzle of what to do if she ever goes for the lawyers.

So...the way North America is set up as a society, the way our sexual mores and family law are set up, I think men are increasingly programmed to hate women. Real rapists can hide from accusations for decades and fake rape victims can rip apart innocent boys' reputations and futures in seconds. Maybe this is something that's really broken, maybe naturally gender relations were going to collapse to the point where a literal cad (in the sense of one who abuses the gentleman's book of signals for ungentlemanly ends) is a frankly elevating influence on how men and women interact, maybe the late-19th to mid-20th century version of respectable marriage with accepted and discrete outlets for male impulses was the exception and if dismantling it is a necessary corollary of the second sexual revolution, then so be it, I don't have any hate for guys who bat for the other team, but the bottom line is, game fills a niche on this continent. I think PUA sort of has this golden halo around it as something that promises to exempt the 99% of North American men who don't have a racecar out of the fucked-uppedness of what our culture has been turning into. Let's face it, some guy who's JUST a player, who JUST manipulates social signals to get consensually laid without commitment by women who meet culturally-determined standards of beauty and behaviour, is in a lot of ways one of the more optimistic and subversive figures in this part of the West. He gets to hold on to this slim thread of some echo of idealized uncoerced romance, and he gets to sidestep the relentless misogynistic programming of how North America otherwise sets up gender relations. The player can afford a sunny view of gender relations radically at odds with the reality for AFC 99%ers. He doesn't need to conform to materialistic norms or compromise his own legal or moral integrity - by temperament or effort he's been given a sunny spot unshadowed by the menacing social pressures on North America since, I dunno, the '90s or something. I guarantee you those hetcis males who are actually trapped in a real long term relationships under prevailing North American conditions are a million times less sanguine than players and playboys when it comes to the value of the other hetcis gender. There's either going to be some point where PUA advances to the next level to let non-elite heterosexual cisgender men on this continent continue to have at least a promise of their outlet, or the backlash against the rad fem critics and the family courts is going to become part of what turns our greater culture into something else. Things changed in a big way when they hunted down all the mammoths and giant sloths and things are going to change in another big way if they ever hunt down all the players. Men who have ethical coitus with more women are inherently more sympathetic to women's concerns. They can sidestep the whole coercive socioeconomic rubric that relegates a plurality of AFCs' perceptions of women to professional inferiors, social threats, or potential victims. I don't have to like how our culture is for it to be how it is. I don't doubt the women who want to be valued for their own legitimate merits hate it too. I still have nothing but high-fives for the guys who can figure out how to opt out.

(Cheap reliable consumer grade cloning and virtual reality would basically let both hetcis genders mutually exclude one another from their physical spheres of existence, resolving the legal and moral tensions implicit in the radfem popular orthodoxy, while satisfying human sexual and parental instincts. That or the champagne socialist bullshit against women selling their eggs is going to snap and we'll move to an explicitly transactional relationship between genders, where women who don't clear the increasingly high bar for other services demanded by the market will just literally become sources of and incubators for genetic material and explicit prostitution is mainstream. You can't eat radfem orthodoxy.) (That or North America will just stop existing as a culture - the American dollar and financial system will keep on going as the bedrock of global exchange, imperialism and consumerism will go on being social forces on a global scale, but America as a culture per se will just cease to exist and ex-Americans will migrate into either some more generic form of Western identity or else identify with the forms of some other civilization, perhaps the way Japan decided Chinese culture was the bomb in the first millennium, North Americans are just going to get sick of their own indigenous forms and adopt, I don't know, Muslim culture. You can't just keep presenting the 40% of your population traditionally expected to build the structures of civilization with a system designed to fuck them over and expect something not to give, and what doesn't bend is going to break. Nobody is going to defend a system that doesn't even realistically promise to benefit them.) (Alternatively, we go the route of classical India. We develop an ultra-conservative superficial culture, the real rape rate goes through the roof, and social mobility seizes up.)


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Lol. Even the most alpha male pua guru admits that he probably gets 1 out of every 5 girls for the most through cold approach. And that's a very optimistic estimation when you take into account flakes. So if Pickup is typically not high success rate (ie numbers game), then betas are getting most of the girls. So shouldnt the question be, why do PUA's get some of the good looking girls? Unless alpha males are guaranteed to get the girl every time it's not beta guys getting the girl that is a rare thing.

Well you touch on something interesting. Cold approach isn't about getting every girl you see to want you, it is about taking control of your sex life and being the selector. I know I'm not saying anything earth-shattering for you, neo, but it is worth putting out there in plain english for people to read. The "beta," and that's kind of a bad term here because there's no real evidence the OP has that these guys are needy, or jealous, or lacking in confidence, gets girls he meets through mutual friends, they work together in some way, classmates etc. Basically they luck into meeting the girl. That's how people traditionally meet and date and start relationships.

Cold approach shatters almost every social norm regarding how we meet new people. And through quantity, you find quality. You talk to more girls, regardless of whether its 1 in 5, or 1 in 20, you can choose who you talk to, and you can choose which ones you pursue further, and you can choose which ones you invite over. And if you're really interested in a classic relationship, you can choose from several hookups to check out that possibility.

Don't hate on the betas, cold approach so you have a real number of prospective women to date in your life. And with quantity, you can choose the quality.

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If you guys look at this deeper, you will notice why cold approach is good.

vs. warm approach


is simple, if you sit around waiting for something to happen, it might or it might not.

In my opinion thats pathetic.

Vs.

Taking action/Coldapproach and capitalizing on warm approaches

grabbing the bull by the horns

It opens the flood gates

Cold approach is a tool

Learn how to use it and you'll rock.

Pick up goes beyond the surface layer of nerdy underground bullshit

Pick up is basically a self development movement that focuses on getting laid BUT as a result you need to GROW as a man which brings in all the self development shit.

Because no matter how much pick up you learn/tactics/principles/concepts

If you dont get your life together as a man and you become a wellrounded social individual

You will always lack the best results

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Someone who focuses solely on pick up

You will never fill the empty vacuum of your life and you'll always be looking at numbers and statistics
You most likely wont go out alot and im pretty sure you will get shit results if you DO go out
why? because a robot cant beat a human being, at least not on this time and age


Theres no substitute for greatness

Be great - get girls

Something i always say, let pick up be part of your life, dont let it be your life

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If we're talking about, "hang out in the future when you make an active attempt to text them", I'd say I'm over 1 in 5.

If it's having sex with, I'd say yeah, 1 in 5 seems accurate.


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Most betas get good looking girls because they don't act like fucking alpha morons pretending to be something they're not. The trouble with a lot of dudes on here is that they they think girls are stupid. WRONG! They can see right through your crap and what girl wants to be with a guy who plays mind games all the time? Do you think this website is top secret or invisible and only guys read it? Girls come on here and read all the dumb ass tricks in the book you assholes get up to ie encouraging each other not to call her to put her in her place, be nice then be horrible to keep her on her toes, chat up other girls to make her jealous. Do you dudes even like women? The manipulation that goes on to get a girl is fucking weird man.

Most girls want a reliable, kind bloke who they can trust and won't cheat on them. Nice attracts nice. It's not that fucking difficult to work out but you're all so busy trying to frantically manipulate situations in your favour that you've lost sight of the fact that girls are fucking human beings to. Not some fucking weird species you can use and treat like shit just to get what you want.

I mean why the fuck would they want a jerk who punishes them just because they don't respond or act the way he wants her to? Fuck that. What makes you so fucking entitled that you have to get your own way no matter how you do it? The more you dudes play your stupid mind games the more miserable you are. Try being decent men. Not childish fucking assholes tying yourselves in knots wondering what else you can do to manipulate the situation. Girls are not puppets to use and abuse because some jumped up fucking jerk thinks he deserves anything he wants. All this trickery and being fake and pretending to be something you're not is dangerous and fucks with your head. Like I said, I bet many of you don't even like girls the way you're all fucking carrying on.


Fucking truth!! Glad sone one else out there see's the forest through the trees.


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Most betas get good looking girls because they don't act like fucking alpha morons pretending to be something they're not. The trouble with a lot of dudes on here is that they they think girls are stupid. WRONG! They can see right through your crap and what girl wants to be with a guy who plays mind games all the time? Do you think this website is top secret or invisible and only guys read it? Girls come on here and read all the dumb ass tricks in the book you assholes get up to ie encouraging each other not to call her to put her in her place, be nice then be horrible to keep her on her toes, chat up other girls to make her jealous. Do you dudes even like women? The manipulation that goes on to get a girl is fucking weird man.

Most girls want a reliable, kind bloke who they can trust and won't cheat on them. Nice attracts nice. It's not that fucking difficult to work out but you're all so busy trying to frantically manipulate situations in your favour that you've lost sight of the fact that girls are fucking human beings to. Not some fucking weird species you can use and treat like shit just to get what you want.

I mean why the fuck would they want a jerk who punishes them just because they don't respond or act the way he wants her to? Fuck that. What makes you so fucking entitled that you have to get your own way no matter how you do it? The more you dudes play your stupid mind games the more miserable you are. Try being decent men. Not childish fucking assholes tying yourselves in knots wondering what else you can do to manipulate the situation. Girls are not puppets to use and abuse because some jumped up fucking jerk thinks he deserves anything he wants. All this trickery and being fake and pretending to be something you're not is dangerous and fucks with your head. Like I said, I bet many of you don't even like girls the way you're all fucking carrying on.


Fucking truth!! Glad sone one else out there see's the forest through the trees.
So neither of you have read much on the forum? Can't see how you'd say all this and go on that rant unless you didn't really know anything about pickup. Or you're just doing this to try to bang a super feminist by showing how chivalrous you are.

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So neither of you have read much on the forum? Can't see how you'd say all this and go on that rant unless you didn't really know anything about pickup. Or you're just doing this to try to bang a super feminist by showing how chivalrous you are.
Lol, exactly. If getting girls and keeping them was as easy as being a nice guy, there would be no need for any dating advice or game communities.


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I agree that man knows nothing of real women. I think he's spouting his ideas through the perspective of a chump. It also could be a woman who made an account on here...

Both cases make you seem like a bitch. - no offence

Anyway, what women want and what they respond to in reality I've found to be totally different things.

Case in point try and be a nice guy and help others become more successful in life constantly. Taking a teach a man to fish as opposed to giving a man a fish mentality, you'll find yourself hated by many people for trying to be helpful and nice all of the time.

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the big question here is how did you know they were beta's...........and yes there are such things as betas we are mammals btw...........but here's the thing in the animal kingdom alot of the alpha males started out as betas that grew stronger and stronger until they were able to take out the alpha male, how do you know these weren't betas who finally grew into an alpha by taking the good looking girls you want


and TRUST ME being a decent and nice guy gets very boring to a girl, i've taken alot of girls from these dudes (felt extremely bad each time) each girls said that the guy did everything right but didn't have that excitement that they needed (fucking excitement?) infact when my girl cheated on me she told me the same thing, it was 4 years ago but i still remember she said "you just don't seem to care anymore, you just focus on your basketball career. You're a good person ___ but you don't show me the love and affection the way you use to"....only thing i stopped doing was randomly sending her love letters and buying her shit lol everything else i did the same (oh and i couldn't see her as much because i was in college)

being a decent perfect guy gets old to women, sure you can get them that way (and it'll take longer) but being an arrogant near cocky, funny confident sexual guy will have her panties wet from day one.....

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i've seen it more often recently. they do everything against the teaching of pua. supplicating woman is their approach. what is the logic behind it? scratching my head
They have low self esteem. They might look hot but are very shy. I have a best friend whose shitty with girls...really shitty, but he still gets girls. When you're working at the bottom of the barrel, you're bound to get some girls still. Be it, awkward and some weirdos, but girls nonetheless.


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Oh and something else:

Betas don't cold approach. If they do it's usually awkward and 10/10 girls will be nice than flake over Text. Betas warm approach through Friend Circles, friends of friends, that stuff.


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If a guy is sufficiently hot, his personality matters less. Not none, it's never none, for either gender (especially not women), but if a guy is absolutely jacked and tall, the average girl (not the hottest of the hot) is going to already be nervous around him, so his beta traits are actually going to comfort her somewhat.

If Ryan Gosling approached a random girl, and he was all sweet and nice, do you think she's going to say, "Oh Ryan Gosling, I only see us as friends."

Hell. No.

Beta traits are fine if you have some corresponding status. If you're outside of a girl's league normally, she's going to be fine if you're sweet and not as aggressive. It won't get her as hot, but she'll still be damn happy to have you.


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