Yeah, it's not that girls don't want to be catcalled...it's that they dont want to be catcalled by unattractive guys. Girls only complain about guys hitting on them when the guy is unattractive to them. This is just women saying "unattractive guys don't matter and we don't want them to talk to us."

The is a false choice fallacy. There is a massive difference between a woman who is not sending you signs in particular and a woman who's sending "Everybody leave me alone" signs. A chick who has that face on, is probably not going to want to talk to you, even if you're her looks equivalent.
Lastly, of all the stupid places to go pick up women, the street is just about the dumbest one. And I know there's a whole niche industry on it.
A grocery store, a coffee shop, these are wildly different from the street in downtown NYC. It's true that out in California, there are street situations that are basically like shops. But that is clearly not the case here.

I always have the same question for guys. Why make things harder on yourself? Could you walk up to a chick tell her "You look exactly like my mom when she was younger. It's so hot!" and still get laid? Probably if you did it enough. But it's going to weird most girls out. Could you start picking your ear with your key and then licking it off, and still get laid? Maybe so, but it's making it harder.

So when you take a massive imbalance and further exaggerate it with a bad situation, why would this be something you'd consider laudable? I think it's stupid. And totally pointless.
Yes, that's completely true. Just as I make a point to talk to attractive women, and ignore the fat ones. Pretty people and ugly people play by a different set of rules. Such is life.

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I disagree.

You don't know what's going on in her life. Maybe she's trying to remember if she left her garage door open, maybe she's wondering how the next season of Game of Thrones is going to end. You never know.

I've had friends ask girls "Why so serious?" and suddenly, the serious face turned to a smile.

I can't really watch the video, so I don't know the extent of how bad the cat-calling is or if it's blatantly disrespectful, but I don't think it's that big of a deal to try to get a woman's attention even if she has a serious face. Again, if she had a serious face going, and a good-looking guy gave her a shout, she'd turn as red as a tomato and probably head back in his direction.

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"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

I'm talking about consistency and efficiency. There are exceptions to everything. Go read up on "gay game". Some girls will respond well to it. It's going to make things a lot harder than "Be a man".
People have some success with Mystery Method and RSD... even Speed Seduction. But less than if they left all of it alone.
You've had ugly, poorly dressed friends of a lower social class do this with an attractive girl, and she's smiled and then later fucked them?

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honestly ill have to agree with both of you, i know for a fact i do WWWWAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY better at cold approaches and day game than in the club or any type of night game......i used that joker line sooo many times on women who look upset, usually followed up by "lets put a smile on that face" and she'll smile
i don't find myself attractive at all maybe thats a self conscious issue, but i know for damn sure that im charming, and witty and thats how i get multiple women

but then again, most guys in the world are afraid to walk up to a girl, they say what they think after she past HOPING she turns around and say thanks or turn around and start a convo, BUT IF U LOOK, most of those guys are either black, Hispanic, or some type of race other than white, and she walked around pretty bad neighborhoods i think.. I live in a black community, and i struggle getting girls there, because the girls there like being approached in the manner of the video... they love that "hey sexi" or "wat up ma" or something like that. Some girls find that "aggressive"....some girls get offended and confront the guy, the guy then spits some amazing game and well gets the girls....i see it alot

but you right some girls just don't want to be bother, a family member might have died, or she JUST got out of a relationship, or she found out she has aids or sum like that, i can see if you're in abad mood how catcalling could be pretty bad, i think it's bad anyway, but it's sum stupid that women shouldn't complain about....they guy following her yea, but that wasn't catcalling. for one he was walking that direction anyway, 2 he looked like a stalker anyway, he approached her, got dissed and followed her...she should have said leave me alone instead of trying to prove a point........

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

Look, if it doesn't work for you, then it doesn't work for you. Seems like you're dead set on suggesting that most of the time it isn't going to work, but I don't believe it. In fact, I recall in The Art of Seduction, Cassanova (or one of those guys) would particularly target women who appeared to be down.

As for the lower status deal, you're jumping from one thing to another. You were basically saying if the woman has a serious face, it's best not to bother her because she's not interested. That I disagreed with because some people, bolder than me, can and do succeed at cold approaching. I never mentioned status.

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"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

We're talking about the guys in this video and if they should be doing it - they shouldn't.
These men also clearly have no experience with women.

What I suggest for advanced men is totally different, but here's the thing: Advanced guys don't need my advice on general principles.

The reason I suggest guys without a lot of experience only do warm approaches(ones where she's giving you signs she's interested) is because it's so much easier. You can mess up a lot, and still sleep with her. When she's lukewarm on you initially, a few small missteps and it's over. As an inexperienced guy, he lacks the ability to pull this off. I believe that success breeds success. So much of PUA consists of learning by massive and repeated failure. This is the worst possible way to learn. It's harder, slower and less effective.

Most guys who start PUA get little success, burn out and quit. It's because of the cold approach advice. True cold approach is for guys who know what they're doing, not inexperienced men.

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lol i don't know why but i do ALOT better with cold approach than warm approach...i hate pressure on me when it comes to girls

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

I do better with warm approach, but that's only because I never work up the nerve to cold approach. I'll get there one day.

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"You ain't accustomed of going through customs. You ain't been nowhere, huh?"

And may affect your reputation.

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Since we're on this subject I did a few cold approaches a while ago, and it was enough to determine that my energy and persona were way off and were not going to succeed. I'm interested to know for the guys who do fight through the failure and get there how many times you have to do so and how easily you can force yourself to change. I imagine it would be possible to accelerate your learning curve in that way, and if there was some Star Trek-style simulator where you could go up and say/do outlandish shit and actually see the reaction it would get maybe that would help. But I don't want to be known in my town (which is not a capital city or anything, it's small enough that a lot of people who hit the town know each other) as the guy who not only hits on tons of women all the time but does badly at it. Once I get known as a sex pest, that shit's gonna stick, and this is my home town. Perhaps I should go further afield to try shit out, but again, there's not much point. I know when I'm on form and am likely to succeed and if I have any doubt about that I would rather limit the risk. Not to say I wouldn't push myself to do something regardless. I do plan to do some kind of systematic desensitisation exercise at some point (I've done this with playing my music at open mics and I considered the success point the point where I was bored by the idea of it. That's the point of desensitisation I think, the point where for a time at least, the idea of approaching a woman would bore you), but I want to have some kind of minimum state/attitude/dress code/lifestyle/whatever where the chances of pulling it off are actually decent.

Put it this way, if you're going to go on Dragon's Den*, do you want to turn up with a shitty prototype that breaks down half way through the demonstration (and I've seen that happen)? And if you did, would you reassure yourself that "there will always be other investors". Well yeah, but Duncan Bannatyne might be one of the better ones, and you've just ensured he'll never touch you with a bargepole. Same with some girls I see - I don't want to approach them and be a shitty version of myself that will prejudice them against me for the future. Sue me. And yeah I know that if I get really shit-hot at this, those girls will change their mind. But that could take a while and those negative opinions, if they get around, could cause a wider prejudice and hurt my momentum.

Then there's another problem you see on here which is that guys go out and do it a lot (and respect for that of course), but get frustrated by the bad results and either start hating on themselves or get misogynistic, or both. The fact that you can only sell a weak product so well seems to be lost on some people. Guys do get encouraging to think that your sales technique is all that counts and the product is somehow irrelevant. Sadly (or not sadly, really), women aren't that gullible.

*UK show

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It doesn't have to take long at all, as soon as you get this part down:
When you approach with a comfortable vibe and behave with them in the same manner you would behave around a girl who is your girlfriend, your energy and persona will be on point. You have to believe in your heart that you have so much to offer and that any woman would be so fortunate to chill with you: You are doing them a MASSIVE FAVOR by approaching them. You are making their lives way better then they were before they met you.
If a guy accepts the fact that there are tons of men succeeding with cold approaching - but does not find success initially himself - it takes a level of humility and understanding to press on until success is found, KNOWING that it is around the corner unless the guy gives up. Whether it's inventing the light bulb or cold approaching, the road to succeeding is take action-modify-take action-modify-repeat.
There is an overwhelming abundance of women out in the world, more than enough to practice cold approaching with until you get good. If there aren't a ton of women where you live, perhaps you might want to consider moving to a new town. It's all out there for you bro - just like it is for each and every one of us.
Ideally the sales technique (the approach) and the product (the man) are a cohesive unit - they are one.

Quite frankly, the common term "cold approaching" is as wrong as could be if the approaching is being done effectively. Sure you don't technically "know" the girl, but you behave as if you do. The girl lighting up in the first 5 seconds of the approach is proof of anything but a COLD approach.

to be honest, i've been cold approaching girls since 8th grade, i've only been dissed (rejected) maybe 15 times since then, and most of those reasons were because they had a boyfriend....think logically, and have confidence don't say anything that you can't even imagine a reply from (thats why i hate canned material so much) actually listen to what she has to say, and if you're witty say a witty comment, or just agree or disagree...my game only got better when i was introduced to PUA's in movies such as James Bond and alfie (which a large part of my game resembles) maybe seeing other in action can help you

One thing i was taught by a friend who's dad was a big time player was to "enjoy the time you have while talking to the girl, odds are she's enjoying it too" you ever notice how elderly men have easy times making friends and talking to hot girls, because they enjoy talking and enjoy listening, they don't have an ulterior motive like getting a number or sex, they truly enjoy the conversation....im nowhere near an attractive guy (in my mind) but multiples times in my life i have cold approached a girl, talked for a while and left, and the girl either grabbed me or called my name and asked for my number.....so my advice to you is to talk to more people, not just women (not in a gay way) the more women you talk to just to talk to them the more you'll understand them and the more you'll be able to pick these women up

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"My understanding of women only goes as far as the pleasure. When it comes to the pain I'm like any other bloke - I don't want to know."-Alfie

Good advice both. Thank you.

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What will happen is, very attractive girl will be wanting to be approached, not 'catcalled'. approached either by direct or indirect game(which is about your inner game) if very confident then direct.
she will usually politely respond to hello or which ever opener you choose, the more times she has been approached that evening then usually the more shit tests she will produce when you speak to her.
I find the hottest girls are very easy to pick up between 10pm and 12pm with very little shit tests, however if its been left late in the evening and many chodes have approached then you can get an immediate shit test like fuck off or why are you talking to me etc, sometimes the girl can fire over 5 consecutive tests in a row which can be difficult to manage smoothly, as soon as she sees a kink in your game your done.