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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 4:48 am 
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As the male it is your role in society to open the girls, to lead things from start to finish. Never in recorded history has some dude been sitting in the basement and some random chik came up to the window, opened it, crawled in and gave him a blowjob. Ok it's probably happened once or twice but u get the idea.
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why dont girls just do what they want to do for free


They do. U don't need to take them out to a bunch of dates or whatever. Meet-chill-fuck.

I almost never recommend this but how about online/app dating (Tinder POF etc). That way u could do the up front communicating by typing, even screen out the ones may be DTF.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 6:24 am 
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I never liked the idea of paying for it, I figured I know girls like to have sex. Channing tatum, twilight and 50 shades of grey are all popular for a reason. So why dont girls just do what they want to do for free? Dont ask me they dont make sense to me, but reguardless, it seems to me like Ill be paying one way or another, whether in time or money or both. Looking over the posts here... I guess im gonna do it but maybe restrict myself, try to push myself to go out more.
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If you want to meet girls, you've gotta get the fuck out of your house.
Well, yea I have been getting out of the house lately. I was desperate enough to go to a gay bar and let gay guys hit on me just so I could get some attention. But usually when I am out at a bar or something it just seems like such a waste of time, I sit there, I have a drink, I look at some people, no one talks to me. What am I even doing? I can't open. What am I going to say? Who wants to hear it. If people were interested in talking to me, wouldnt they open me? I wonder if guys ever get opened at all, or if its something only guys do to girls.

Oh I did stop playing video games btw, been about two months now cold turkey. Still been looking at porn sometimes. I am going crazy without something to occupy my mind, but I have been going out more.
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4. It will make you more aggressive. If you go a week without jerking off... I guarantee you are going to be one AGGRESSIVE mother fucker. So you go out and you look for a girl.
See when I dont jerk off I just start feeling lonely and desperate, I dont feel aggressive at all. I just feel like I need a hug, like its been so long since I have had human contact. I get desperate, and then I start feeling like I wanna kill myself or pay for it.
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Get the fuck out there and do some interesting, cool shit and all the sudden.... YOU ACTUALLY HAVE INTERESTING, COOL SHIT TO TALK ABOUT. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Ok, but like what though? What should I do that people will find interesting? Especially girls, what do they wanna talk about... what should I do that will be interesting to them.
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Stop thinking like that. Just learn to enjoy the conversation and presence of a woman. Quit thinking of girls as just holes that you shove your cock into.
Well this is how I see it: I want to enjoy my life. I enjoy having sex. I dont enjoy talking. I spent lots of time already doing things I dont want to do, I dont want to do MORE of things I dont want to do, I dont have the time for it! And just like you say, if I should be spending time doing interesting things, why would I want to waste time talking to girls? They make horrible friends. Guys like video games and boxing and dirt bikes and all that, and they pay for themselves, what the fuck do girls do besides sit around talking, avoiding talking to guys and waiting for guys to just spend money on them? Its simple cost to benefit ratio analysis, if I am gonna talk to anyone, I would talk to a guy because I know I would enjoy myself with them. Girls have nothing to offer me but sex. God forbid they open me and prove otherwise.
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Okay, well start liking talking to people.
Would you expect me to just start liking stabbing myself too? Am I gonna have to learn to enjoy stabbing myself? Thats about how painful this talking stuff is to me, especially when it goes wrong. Girls dont deserve the chance to hurt me like that.
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Fix your fucking attitude man.
I dont even know what it is you expect me to fix. I feel like I have come to a very logical conclusion. It seems others are in agreement with paying for it, but working on it too.
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having sex with a girl who actually finds you attractive. The experience is completely different.
THAT is what I want. I have never seen it or felt it though, never felt like a girl liked me. I dont know if I ever will feel that way, or if anyone will actually like me for anything but my money. I mean, if someone liked me, they would talk to me right?

Dude, you're defeatist attitude is worse than Elliott Rodgers. I don't even feel sorry for you because you haven't even tried yet.

The reason nobody talks to you at bars because you hope people will talk to you at the bar, don't you get it?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:21 am 
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The bad advice in this forum is only exceeded by the arrogance, ignorance & intellectually bankrupt frat boy dude get a hooker mentality.

I almost don't know where to start but here is my $0.02

We need to get you out into the world, start socializing & getting you used to just having a conversation with people. Then you can work up to talking with women & then seducing them.

There seems to be a MASSIVE disconnect with some guys who read an a post by someone & they assume "oh man I can solve all his problems... he just needs to do this one thing"

Yeah that one thing will freak your shit out & you can't function when your freaked out.

Message me & we can chat...

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:28 am 
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As the male it is your role in society to open the girls, to lead things from start to finish. Never in recorded history has some dude been sitting in the basement and some random chik came up to the window, opened it, crawled in and gave him a blowjob. Ok it's probably happened once or twice but u get the idea.
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why dont girls just do what they want to do for free


They do. U don't need to take them out to a bunch of dates or whatever. Meet-chill-fuck.

I almost never recommend this but how about online/app dating (Tinder POF etc). That way u could do the up front communicating by typing, even screen out the ones may be DTF.
Well yea I know I gotta get out of my room, I have been lately :P but I am certainly not much of a leader of others. Im more the kind of guy standing on the side watching the people being dumb on the train tracks. I know theres a train coming and I could try and tell them, but all they would do is make fun of me so I would rather let em get run over and laugh.

And if girls DO meet-chill-fuck, well, thats what I am here to learn! How does that happen? What does it look like? Girls dont talk to me, much less want to chill with me.

Oh, and about online apps, yea actually that is what I have been doing. I havent been getting very far. They never wanna chill, but they sure do love getting my attention and leading me on. Every time I ask em to hang out its always "youre not my type" or "I dont know you" or some shit.
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Dude, you're defeatist attitude is worse than Elliott Rodgers. I don't even feel sorry for you because you haven't even tried yet.

The reason nobody talks to you at bars because you hope people will talk to you at the bar, don't you get it?
Lol I am not THAT bad, I never wanted to hurt anyone. People dont need my help, everybodys out all messing themselves up anyway.

And no, that doesnt make any sense, but you dont seem to be a very nice person. I dont think you are actually trying to help me and I have no reason to think youre trying to help me, I think youre just trying to confuse me and that last remark of yours proves it.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 8:51 pm 
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And if girls DO meet-chill-fuck, well, thats what I am here to learn! How does that happen?
It starts w/ the guy talking to them. Opening them. The end result CANNOT HAPPEN without this first step.

And this first step only really works when the guy truly believes that he is not only worthy of the girl but also that he has a ton to offer and that any girl would be very fortunate to be able to spend time w/ him.


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What do you like to do? You must have some type of hobby or interest. Find a group you can join related to your hobby that has some girls in it. Then, just get to know them, do not try to run any game, just chat them up about your shared interest. If they are not into you, they may know someone who would be, so just be cool and network...

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 1:31 pm 
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I agree with the PUA advice people are giving Chappelle, even though some is harsh. On the other hand, I can't help but think this man needs to get laid. I'm in favor of him getting a pro so we don't have another Elliot Rodgers. The down-side to it is you might get hooked on it, and then you lose the desire to actually pick up on women and convince yourself that pro is the only way to go. Also, not sure what part of the world you're in, but it's not quite legal in the States and I'd hate to have that on my record.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2014 11:03 pm 
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If sex is the only goal then yeah I'd say pay for it, but, you said you're not a virgin so you know sex isn't anything special, certainly nothing like porn. It won't help you feel any better about it, probably worse you'll resent it, but (and especially if you go cold turkey on porn) it fills a temporary need, but it's otherwise hugely unsatisfying.

However, you sound very similar to how I was in the past, apathetic towards trying. No one can really help you feel anything. You have to find that on your own. I'd suggest seeing a doctor about possible social anxiety disorder, it's nothing to do with getting you talking to people and getting laid, it's about expanding the things you find enjoyment in (which again no one can tell you, you just have to find out by trying). Above all else you have to be honest about yourself and comfortable with who you are and it's very difficult to do that when you don't like where you're at in life.

It's not easy but only you can decide whether you will try or not. Read some self help books at the very least, probably CBT. Making positive changes in your life is never something to be embarrassed about.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:07 am 
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So, for about the past... 6 years? Longer? What I have mostly been doing is online college, video games and porn. I havent talked to anyone except my family really. I dont have any friends. I dont know how to talk to people, and honestly, I dont enjoy doing it.

I dont see how people have so much to say. How do people think anything coming out of their mouth is so important that other people wanna hear it? Every time I open my mouth I already know nobody wants to hear anything I have to say, and its never proven wrong. If people wanted to talk to me they would, but of course no one wants to.

So I see this, and I see nothing but work ahead of me. So much practice talking, and failing, and hurting from it, I dont even know if its worth all the pain and time.

How long do I even have to talk to a girl before she will sleep with me? I dont like talking to people. Im not sure if I can even figure this out. So I am thinking of saying screw all this, all the time I would spend learning to game is time I could be spending making money to pay for it.
Got some self-defeating thoughts there bud, might wanna take a good long look at yourself as you're preventing your own success.


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