Recently I started to ask myself: how do you know how good your skills with dating/ relationships are?

For instance in many martial arts there are different color belts and degrees that you get as your game improves.

In school/university there are grades and exams that point how well you did on certain subject.

And in team sports there are scores and wins vs loses that show how well you and your team did.

But what can used to measure success in dating area. How do you know how far on the path of mastery you are and how much you need more to improve your game. How do you know if you are yellow, green or black belt in social/dating aspect so to speak?

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How well can you close is a good test. Also, how often and how good of quality.

I feel like:

Talking to girls- White Belt
Flirting- Yellow Belt
Getting them interested- Orange Belt
Getting their number- Green Belt
Getting a date set up- Blue Belt
Getting them to kiss you on a date- Purple Belt
Getting them to kiss you at the bar- Red Belt
Getting them to go home with you at a bar- Brown Belt
Regularly pulling girls home- Black Belt

Staying with your martial art analogy.

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I know it's just a bit of fun but I disagree with this. I used Tinder for (sadly) most of the dating experience I have and I think I've gotten pretty decent on dates. Always make out and feel boobs. Most recent 2 ended with 1 girl wanting to have sex with me on the first date (and first time I've met her) and the other one did end up with sex on first date (but had known her casually from work for a couple of months).

HOWEVER, I'm shit at picking up girls randomly because I'm not ballsy enough to approach in most cases and conversation skills aren't the best. I also think getting a number sort of goes with flirting/getting them interested (maybe could group all together as 'getting to the hook point').

Just measure your quality of life from now to before...kind of like a compare and contrast picture when you are hitting the gym

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You cannot measure pickup skills like that. Sometimes I'm a boss and get a tonne of lays in a month, sometimes I struggle to even get phone numbers. Everybody has off-days.

A grading system serves no purpose. All it will do is give you limiting beliefs and give you reasons not to approach that perfect 10 in the club. It will give you an unhealthy mindset of "I'm only a blue belt, so I will stick to just approaching HB6's until I've reached the next belt colour, then I can start fucking 7's."

Wrong. You can start pickup TODAY and fuck a perfect 10 TODAY, this is the mindset you should have. Approach the hottest girls from Day One.

Stop wasting time over-complicating things with grades. Stop thinking limiting beliefs like "How long will it take me to become a master guru?". Believe you are a master NOW and the hottest girls will believe it too. If you only think of yourself as a yellow belt, you will only get yellow belt quality girls.

Entitlement. You will learn more from throwing yourself in at the deep end and re-calibrating / learning from the experiences than taking tiny steps towards where you want to be.

Jesus Christ you guys took that post too seriously. It was a joke gauge based on the martial arts reference. It wasn't meant as a scientific measurement haha.

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My post was directed more at the OP bro.

It's all bullshit. There is no "levels." Either you can pick up women or you can't. Doesn't matter which way you go about it(Bar kidnapping a chick) if you can pick up the majority of the women you go after you're a PUA. If you can't you're not a PUA. It's either a pass or a fail with no in between.

No one way works on all women and no one way is the be all end all of pick up. If you're suave, quiet and controlled but can work that to pick up women you're not in any "level" of pick up. You're just a pick up artist if you actually study the stuff. The only true way to gauge where you stand within the community is how many notches you get under your belt in a given time frame.

I seen some crap a while ago where someone essentially had "levels" of PUAs. It was literally a description of different personalities and different types of pick up artists that were slotted into random "levels" which was basically some dudes interpretation of what he thought was more challenging or hard to pick up women with. Summed up, the list was completely bias. There is no levels of it, just the ability to or not to pick up women. Really doesn't matter how you go about it.

Also, you gotta ask yourself what you want out of it. Are you a pick up artist or a seducer? There's a difference. A PUA will want to fuck a broad range of women and not exactly have any commitments bar fucking the women. A seducer generally wants a girlfriend and may, deliberately, progress slower(K/N-Close -> Day 2 -> See them "Officially" -> Sex first or girlfriend first. So, which one are you? A PUA or a Seducer?

pick up is a numbers game and a skill set, as long as you can fuck 1 out of 10 girls or better you are pretty good.

There are 2 skill set, pick up, and relationship management. But when it comes to pick up 1 in 10 or better pipi in vagina.

All that flirting, talking, phone, is worthless if pipi don't go in vagina.

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