So I'm in the process of critiquing my game and I realized there's a few issues I had.
I was on a date with this girl and we talked and laughed (a little) engaged in interesting convo after 30 mins we were holding hands. Then we went to this rooftop and I was alone with her and I started looking at her lips and she's like, "Not yet, I'm not that easy to kiss. Lets go get drinks." I said sure, ao I realized I should have built more connection, so instead of doing that, I Engaged in a LOGICAL convo and almost got into an intellectual debate with her. It was weird cause I got all these IOI's and she drank yet it never got physical.

I realized I didn't do this: She wasn't able to connect with me cause I didn't say too much about myself. I just talked about my personal journey to become a better man and how I feel protective of people like if someone was to bust in the room with a machine gun I'd stop him even if I'd get shot, knowing that I did something about it. Then I disagreed with her how truth wasn't relative. But she kept opening up to me how she used to be far and I said that's weird cause I used to be 100Lbs heavier she said she was 60lbs.

Things I realized, I did wrong: What I didn't do was this:
1) be flirtatious, 2) engage her emotions 3) talk about myself so she can connect (commonalities). 4) Not know how to kiss her. The kiss was way too anticipated. If you can comment on all of these areas I'd appreciate it.

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1) Yeah, in the past i've had dates where I wasn't flirty enough. It was dreadful and did nothing for me or her and when it came to the end of the night there would be no attraction built up and kissing her was forced.

You need to flirt physically. Use excuses to touch her like if she says something you disagree with or she teases you jokingly push her away and tell her to go away(Make sure she knows it's a joke). This is breaking rapport and she'll be drawn back into you. Tease the shit out of her verbally as well. Don't mix up a neg with teasing, teasing is an obvious joke to get a laugh out of her and even an excuse for her to get physical with you. For instance, she talks about something she likes you say "I knew you were a weirdo. Only freaks like that kind of stuff." Then laugh, say you're just kidding and ramp that up. Don't tease with the intention to put her down. If you do say something about something she likes that's actually seen as bad by some people(Like pokemon obsessions or something like that) then follow up the "I'm just fucking with ya" with "No, I respect that. I think it's cool you can like something like that." This makes her feel comfortable around you, feels you have an understanding of her and draws her in.

2) Nah, forget that. Don't bother with engaging her emotions too early. That's a sure fire way to land yourself in the friend zone. Keep it fun, keep it clean, physical and interesting. There's no need to know her on an emotional level, that's all to follow for when you pursue a relationship with her(You're not doing that in the first handful of dates). Maybe you mean something else by "emotional" but my impression is you want to cater to her emotional needs as a woman? Like being there for her and shit? I would advise against it too early into gaming her. From personal experience it just lands you in the friendzone.

3) The only talking about yourself should be on a shallow level such as what your hobbies are if asked, where you live, where you grew up and shit. No need to open up and tell her your life story. That should come much later when you're in a relationship... Infact this is one of the first things you're told NOT to do when you take up PU. Don't tell her your life story, let her talk and connect with you... You want her to talk herself into your bed, not the other way around, you just "lead" the way.

4) This is gold. I do this exclusively now and it never fails so listen up!

When you're talking to her, have her isolated and just randomly interrupt her mid-sentence and say she's cute. It doesn't matter what she's saying or doing. If there's a silence it's fine. If she's in the middle of a sentence even better! Just say "You're cute, you know that?" she'll stop, blush and either say "Thank you" or not say anything. After a few seconds just say "Come here.", beckon her over to you with your index finger while looking her in the eyes and say "Kiss me." Do this DURING your date, not at the end of it. She's not going to say no and she's not going to have time to think of excuses to wait so the only reason she wouldn't kiss you is if she has zero interest in you.

The reason why you say this during your date is because you're going to do it at a moment when you're comfortable around one another, talking about stuff and having fun. You're going to be in that moment and acting on it and she's not going to have any reason to say no. At the end of the night you don't have this momentum. You've got the pressure and staleness of "Are we going to kiss? God, this is really awkward..." which has a higher risk of her being turned off and saying no and a much higher risk of you coming across as awkward and intimidated.

The main problem that you have is the lack of confidence and gut to pull the trigger when it counts or do as you please. When I mentioned "emotional connection" on the texts or what Kezia Noble meant is not telling her your long life stories but to provoke an emotional response from her then follow up with that response and make her feel that you genuinely want to get to know her and create some emotional connection with her.

For example, "do you like sushi?" (which will end in yes or no) vs "what is the most bizarre sushi you've ever eaten?" (she will have to stop for a second, think, engage her emotions with the experience and answer. In this case when she does, you can follow up with questions about her adventurous and lead the conversation to the sexual frame)

GamesSN was right on the physical and kissing part. Generally you want to get in some kino as soon as you can and raise the level from there. I always hug them on the first date instead of shaking their hand, or sit besides them to I can touch them vs across the table, I touch their lower back as I guide them through, I grab their hands as we walk, I touch their arms as I'm telling them something, I pull them into me when I say I'm just kidding after a tease... etc...

As for the kiss, like I said, do it whenever you feel like it. The moment doesn't have to be perfect. In fact, don't count on perfect timing either. If you're too afraid to go in for one, use that trick I mentioned in the texts.

About your date, you're inexperienced with handling rejections or their slut defenses, hence she could read you like an open book. You could have kept your calm and came back with "Drink? So I just have to get you drunk enough?" and let her qualify to you. Or you could have laugh it off, grabbed her head and kissed her cheek then said "Not really. Not hard at all. I just did". The minute you backed down and played into her frame, you lost the battle.

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GKS: Thanks for your response. Im writing that in my notes it was perfectly explained!
I completely agree. And when it came to kino, I constantly did all of those things you said - I used all of those methods so my kino is a lot better, I'm more confident in that area.

When you said, "For example, "do you like sushi?" (which will end in yes or no) vs "what is the most bizarre sushi you've ever eaten?" (she will have to stop for a second, think, engage her emotions with the experience and answer. In this case when she does, you can follow up with questions about her adventurous and lead the conversation to the sexual frame)"

What is the "Sexual frame" and how long do you have to dig before you get to it.

So what was going on was her ASD prevented her from doing it. I'll research how to handle it. Typically what methods do you use to handle ASD & Rejections?

GamesSN: Great response thanks for your feedback; what I meant by emotional connection/engage her emotions was that woman operate on an emotional level not a logical one. Kezia teaches to elicit emotions from girls and to stay away from service level logic topics. So I wanted to connect with her and make her feel attracted towards me or turn her on, connect with her. Not like tell her my life story lol. That's what I meant. If you can go further on that I'd appreciate it.

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Cliff: ...Can you define what you mean by your use of the word, "game".

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