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PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 1:28 pm 
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Women are just humans too, you know.

Just be normal, have confidence, approach women and use your common sense. I know, if you gave me that advice in the beginning of my pick up adventures then I would told you to shut the fuck up and give me some real advice. But eventually it comes down to feeling comfortable in new situations, having fun and being curious.
Exactly what I've been saying that the OP has been so mad about. Women have emotions, nipples and pussies. Focus on those and you're good.

Now, the issue in the thread that sent the OP into ultra abusive mode is the topic of prospecting. You have to identify where a specific demographic of women hangout.

Wealthy people (women included) are savers and investors-- they use OPM. It's common sense BUT it isn't so common as Stanley and Danko pointed out.

If you ask me advice on where to sarge wealthy women and I tell you sarge in a ski resort while wearing a Rolex or go to a water festival in Cambodia...

(I've got work colleagues before who went to Cambodia. No way, Jose. No way.)

That just goes against the grain of actual infield experience and empirical evidence out there that you can EASILY verify. Why give b.s. advice that's too difficult to field test or validate on field, hmm? Just think about it and the answer is the reason why the OP in this thread went ballistic.

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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
PostPosted: Thu Feb 06, 2014 2:04 pm 
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There's obviously a long history I didn't know about. The thread you linked was TL;DR for me. Either way, none of this would bother you if you were on top of your shit.

I can only assume that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a liar, so that must mean I'm a liar too. "Calling people out" on an internet forum is not what I would call calm unaffected behaviour. Core concept of game is not giving fuck. Y U so mad bro?
Game has zero to do with giving a fuck or not giving a fuck. Idiots, assholes, and mass muderders get laid just as much as smart, well meaning, thoughtfull people. Also should be noted that there haven't been many lying fucktards on this foum. 3?. . . 5? And most leave the forum when they figure out that their lying shit is boring.

*The core concept of every lying fucktard is "not giving a fuck". They don't care what they write, how thy lie, how it affects others. . . what it does to the agenda of an entire group. . . Again. . . this has nothing to do with pick up.

And why are you assuming anything? I expained all of this clearly. "Really? I just explained that to you a minute ago." - JP Prewitt.


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Kasabi. Bro. I agree with you, but its the internet. I vote for kasabis good samaritan honesty rule to be put right there in the forum rules but its just not managable.
But it HAS been managable. In the past, a core group of knowledgable members laughed lying assholes out of the forum. Today, members tend to coddle and support this crap out of sympathy. . .

I undertand your stance. A lying asshole does just that. . . lie; now, it's up to members to go out and do the stupid if they choose. But it's not that simple. A lying asshole wastes an entire thread towards idiocy. Topics get derailed. . . and since they are the most energetic with their bullshit (types up the most) everybody is left either supporting or insulting bullshit. This is such a waste of time. *Refer back to the dick fishing analogy. No social group in real life or in virtual life does what we do here. . . support, coddle, and keep up the interest of lying assholes. It's easy to spot, easy to fix.


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There's also bound to be a lot of subjectivity in deciding who is lying and who may just use unusual techniques that might work for that individual but not for others.
Have you met lying scumbags in real life? They follow the same pattern everywhere. . .

1. Lie.
2. Get caught and called out. (This is the part you are referring to above) but. . .
3. Liars will and must LIE MORE to support their initial lie. (The misunderstood will clarify. Non-chronic liars will shut up.)
4. But chronic liars get caught and called out even further and in real life, kicked out. (It's even easier to catch now because the lies are plenty)
5. Then they blame it all on everybody else. "No, you're the liar. You're the cheat. Fuck you."

^Every scumbag pretty much follows this same pattern. In hindsight, we've had many that lasted a few posts but this isn't a big deal is it? We've had a handful who've done ^this for thousands of pages. You've seen it, "I am done with this thread! - unfortunate.


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This is the internet. I can't name a single social community on the internet that doesn't have this problem. There is no viable solution, hence my last post about how you need to determine on your own what is right and ignore the rest.


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This is the internet. I can't name a single social community on the internet that doesn't have this problem. There is no viable solution, hence my last post about how you need to determine on your own what is right and ignore the rest.
And your premise is what made me think about it further. I belong several forums. . . fishing, snowboarding, boating, scuba diving, medical, and a few industry related stuff and alumni related stuff.

And in NO community can I think of members who knowingly support idiocy. . . I am still puzzled at the disconnect.

To me, wrting that the rich have "different language" (Maybe he meant rich Chinese?) "are fatter" . . . hahaha, I can't even remember half of that bs, banks, rollovers, ROE, ROI, ROA, ROL (Return on lies?). . . I mean to me, this is EXACTLY like telling members at a fishing forum that I fish with my dick, over, over, and over again. . .and then telling folks who don't believe it that I've been doing it for 2 years.

Surely, other groups experience this once in a while but they will laugh idiots out. For some odd reason, it seems our forum celebrates ^this and in the process, invites more idiots and tires thoughtful people from engaging in discussion.

What I initially suggested is a viable solution. It is the only viable solution in an internet community. And it has been done here successfully in the past.


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This is the internet. I can't name a single social community on the internet that doesn't have this problem. There is no viable solution, hence my last post about how you need to determine on your own what is right and ignore the rest.
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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
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One advice (among many) that the OP gave which I found just plain b.s. and so I disagreed with is that: one should wear a Rolex watch while riding a bicycle in some ski resort or something to sarge rich women.
I actually know a guy who sarged a rich girl. He's a natural. 22 years old and his lay count is 50+. The stories he tells is always unbelievable, but he has almost always proof. Also about the rich girl, I didn't believe him at first, but then he has shown pictures of invoices the girl payed. And his game is just the same as how he treats poor girls. His style his very sexual humor and lots of confidence. No special tactics or anything. HE broke up with HER! That's how much he doesn't give a shit, even when she's rich. The girl was 19 years old with very rich parents.

I read lots of bullshit on the forums and also in general on the internet about picking up women. I also notice many aPUA's go way too far. Way to analytical. They think everything a girl does is a game. Women are just humans too, you know.

Just be normal, have confidence, approach women and use your common sense. I know, if you gave me that advice in the beginning of my pick up adventures then I would told you to shut the fuck up and give me some real advice. But eventually it comes down to feeling comfortable in new situations, having fun and being curious.

For day game situations, you don't need much game. Normal conversations will do just fine. Night game is a bit different. The energy has to be higher and also more fun, otherwise you'll bore her to death. And that's hard to learn if you want to use verbal game, especially in a loud environment. That's why I recommend dance floor seduction. It improved my game dramatically. And almost literally overnight, but that's because I already loved to dance. I just needed a little guidance and I already could handle AA.

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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
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Compare this to other forums. A fishing forum will have dedicated fishers.

A few percentage of men arent intrested in women.

Fishing takes patience, technique, and know how to even taste success

What do you need to pick up women? A penis. Anything else is extra.

I could go on, but pua has changed and its hardly secret. Its more idiotic, dick measuring, prone now.

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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
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Kasabi are you promoting the idea that we should silence people who don't agree with the general consensus and bully them out of conversations? Why resort to such fascism? You are free to argue and disagree with people on here and I defend your right to do that. But don't take it all so personally. Someone has obviously offended you, but it takes the bigger man to step back and say, "I'm not going to let this get to me. I disagree, here are logical reasons why, take it or leave it."

And I can't imagine a similarly heated argument ever developing on your fishing forum... "How dare you recommend using that hook with that rod!!! Stop lying, you should be banned." - it's just never gonna happen.


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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
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For the newbies out there, don't take the OP's advice to wear a Rolex watch and go out sarging in a water festival in Cambodia on a bicycle.

I'll state my reasons why here:

1. It's fucking dangerous. You can get yourself killed out there riding on a bicycle on the streets of a very poor country.

2. There are safer places where you can use that Rolex watch to maximum advantage. Say, you want to get a line of credit on your home mortgage and your credit score is just good; not excellent. However, you want to get the best terms possible so you don't run out of gas in your new business venture or save more money with lower interest. So you wear that Rolex and talk to the bank manager or finance officer who will likely also be wearing a Rolex.

3. You can use that plane ticket and hotel money in club game several nights in a row.

4. The effort is just too great to go in Cambodia compared to going in a bank at the city center which is around 10 to 15 minutes away if you don't live in a sub-urb.

Lastly, stay away from mental masturbation b.s. and be discerning enough so you don't get bandwagoned by sock puppets. Sockpuppetry is illegal based on several case law.

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Kasabi are you promoting the idea that we should silence people who don't agree with the general consensus and bully them out of conversations?
Absolutely not. I've already explained that the subject is NOT "difference in agreements" but folks who are clearly wasting their time and everybody else's time by lying over, over, and over again.
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"How dare you recommend using that hook with that rod!!! "
If ^this is the way you view a member's posts, then respond accordingly. This is what I've done in my time on this forum. On the other hand, in the thread I referenced, it was clear that most perceived HH's contribution to be BS, and yet they "KNOWINGLY" supported it as if they were tapping the town's retard on the back for pissing in a urinal instead of pissing in his pants. That's all.


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LOL. . . yes, I copied and pasted the "chronic liar pattern" from my own thread.

1. Lie.
2. Get caught and called out. (This is the part you are referring to above) but. . .
3. Liars will and must LIE MORE to support their initial lie. (The misunderstood will clarify. Non-chronic liars will shut up.)
4. But chronic liars get caught and called out even further and in real life, kicked out. (It's even easier to catch now because the lies are plenty)
5. Then they blame it all on everybody else. "No, you're the liar. You're the cheat. Fuck you."

Oh the irony. . .


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The only knock on kasabi is that he follows the "facebook" pattern that i hate, which is to do a status update for example:

" there are some guys that just are thinking about one thing out there, instead of treating women like a gentlemen" which is a type of attention whoring, which usually women and some dudes engage in facebook, just look at your facebook, which i think is kind of ridiculous, just go ahead and call the people out directly.

Instead of just going ahead and posting, this dude hellhound is full of shit and being a kj he should get banned from the forum his behavior is ridiculous....Disclaimer. I can care less if he is or he is not, i am just being blunt about the point of this whole post and making assumption of kasabi view, does not necessarily mean is my view, since i can care less.

In other words just go ahead and call the dude out, but anyways. The lounge is a theory type part of the forum, so lets examine what theory is, this is by jws an old school seducer:
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PU "Theory" isn't just about 'science'. It's a little science, a little art, and a lot of philosophy. Some regular contributors to this community have said that some Theory discussions have been life changing for them, and have helped shape their thinking and behaviour surrounding women and relationships, in dramatically-positive ways.

A lot of people in this Community fall into one of two camps: those who make long posts dissecting how things work and creating categories and labels for everything, and those who say "screw all this theory, it is just mental masturbation; get out there and socialize and when a woman is responding, escalate and isolate".

Both are right.

Your left brain learns how a car works and why and the rules of the road, but it takes practice actually driving a car for your right brain to learn how to actually drive a car. Both theory and experience are important. Your right brain needs to have the proper understanding of how seduction works to do it correctly. Most arrive here with a bad template or they wouldn’t need this place. Good Theory is what helps to replace the defective template with an effective one.
^ hellhound likes to engage in a lot of theory type post like:

vibe-theory-peak-ovulation-theory-and-b ... 67878.html

pua-intermediate-finance-vt163943.html

buying-her-a-drink-scientific-theories- ... 64143.html

He has been challenged and called out in numerous posts, specially by me, if he is a liar or not, is up to the readers to decide and make up their mind. But as someone says in this post if someone were to put 7 inch boots, eye liner an open with "who lies more girl or guys" , nobody will believe it. Kasabi is right about one thing, people should not stay quiet when they read ridiculous crap, they should challenge and engage points of views, which kasabi does, and he gets a bad rep. for it. I do not have a problem with kasabi challenging stuff, a lot of you are a bit sensitive, i think he does a decent job policing and challenging ideas. By the way, people here have call out kasabi and his theories as well. He has a style of delivery which is very aggressive, but is his style, he can get people pissed. But, is his unique way of delivering, i actually enjoy it a bit and keep post going and bring this dead ass forum back to life.

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 Post subject: Re: Weeding out LIARS
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This one here is an argument that states a reason why the poster disagrees with a particular p.o.v.:
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Christ if you can't even take a girl out on a first date and pay for the both of you then it just shows what a tight fisted cunt you are. Who the hell wants a boyfriend who behaves like Scrooge. You guys are so fucking useless at everything you do and you usually get nowhere because you're so freakin' shallow.
Calling someone a fucktard, liar, idiot without stating the reason why a poster disagrees with a particular theory is NOT productive.

Uhum. Who's blaming the forum moderators for not banning a poster who disagrees on a p.o.v. that the OP presented? Who's blaming the guys who are saying, "Don't be too emotional. Just answer the fucking disagreement and state your reasons why."

This is the lounge. A discussion that goes like this doesn't achieve any thing:

K-Jockey: You're a fucktard.
VV: You're an idiot.
K-Jockey: No. You're the idiot. Calling the forum moderators, women, guys who have sisters and so on. Ban this fucktard for calling me an idiot.
VV: Hiding now behind the skirt of your mom, huh? You're the fucktard.
K-Jockey: No. You're the idiot.

Let's discuss theories.

If you think it's bullshit, call the poster out and let him state his reasons why the theory isn't bullshit.

It's.

That.

Simple.

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